Win 10 Install and Upgrade-Preview Future Release 1703. Aka Creators Edition.

[sgrinavi]

So I did the advanced boot and selected the option to go back to previous build. It went back to 8.1 and let me in.....

Think I'll leave this system on 8.1 for now

 

[Ichinisan]

So I did the advanced boot and selected the option to go back to previous build. It went back to 8.1 and let me in.....

Think I'll leave this system on 8.1 for now

Is it a "Local" type user account or a Microsoft / Live account?

The new password might be your Hotmail / Outlook.com password (the password for your Microsoft account).

 

[NuclearNed]

A word to the wise

one thing no longer works, and I could have possibly prevented it's breakage beforehand: KeePass (the password keeper). This isn't really even related to Win10 in any way - this could have happened with any rebuild.

I had configured my KeePass db to use Windows User Account as the master key. Since I upgraded to Win10 by first partitioning my HDD, then rebuilding from the ground up, all my old Win7 user ID's got blown away. Now, even though my user accts are named the same, something isn't matching up - KeePass doesn't recognize me. So while I have my KeePass db, I have no way to get into it.

It's probably not the biggest deal in the world, but it's still going to cause some pain

 

[sgrinavi]

Is it a "Local" type user account or a Microsoft / Live account?

The new password might be your Hotmail / Outlook.com password (the password for your Microsoft account).

Neither would work on 10, both work fine now that I'm back to 8.1 . I've changed my MS Account password and it works fine across all devices. There's something wrong with that computer - I really think I may have a corrupt profile and should probably just wipe it clean and start from scratch. I want to replace the 240 GB SSD with a 512 anyhow.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Well this idiot has removed the windows gadget software and is now in the process of trying to upgrade again. MS servers are slow tonight so getting pre-installation updates is taking some additional time. Good thing I have this laptop to work on while all this is going on plus I have Pandora radio going on the Epica radio station. 8gadgetpack hung the last time I tried this so I removed it and switched to the other program but this time I removed them plus set origin to not launch on windows startup to minimize possible issues this time. I'll check back in later once it's done and let you now how it turned out. If all goes well I'll keep it this time and then come back in a few months and clean install it again if need be.

Well the deed is done and I'm back on 10. Removing the taskbar program really helped this time as everything came together really nicely. My classic shell did get damaged this time and required a repair install but once done works great. I am going to poke around a bit but I believe that if everything checks out this time that I'll be staying on 10.

 

[Ichinisan]

Lame double-post.

 

[Ichinisan]

It keeps adding known WiFi networks marked as "connect automatically" with no option to remove...even though I opted-out of all the cloud WiFi stuff. The one I saw a little while ago has disappeared now, though. Strange.

For some reason, it started treating my wired home network as a public network and that's what killed Remote Desktop access for me.

Compared to Windows 7/8, Windows 10 takes an extra click to connect to VPN. Lame.

 

[Hugh Jass]

Compared to Windows 7/8, Windows 10 takes an extra click to connect to VPN. Lame.

Oh wow...an extra click...such a hardship.

 

[Ichinisan]

Oh wow...an extra click...such a hardship.

[We're] making constructive observations of areas that can be [improved].

If we try hard enough, I sure we can get Microsoft to add even more unneeded clicks / taps and a whole lot more mouse / hand travel distance too.

Damn all those handicap people with clunky alternative input devices! Let's make everything as inaccessible as possible!

 

[Ichinisan]

The screen magnifier insists on appearing in the monitor I don't use and leave turned-off most of the time. It doesn't matter how many times I have to use tricks to move it back onto my primary monitor. Every time I re-launch the magnifier, it appears on the wrong monitor.

I'll have to try a clean install to see if that clears up.

 

[Ichinisan]

How could this be?

In Spartan, I use the Ctrl+T shortcut to open a new tab. I try to type an address, but nothing has keyboard focus.

I move one hand from the keyboard to the mouse and click in the gray area where the address bar should be. With a delay, the white address bar appears. I try to type. Still, nothing has keyboard focus. So, even though I already have my hands on the keyboard when I do the Ctrl+T shortcut to open a new tab, it takes at least 2 mouse clicks to get to a point where I can type anything. Now, the behavior seems inconsistent. After it happened multiple times, it now seems to give focus to the search / web address box every time I open a new tab.

Either way, bad UX.

Takes an extra click to switch email accounts in Mail. There's still no unified Inbox for multiple accounts (something OSX Mail gets right), but I don't hold that against it because previous versions didn't have that. Major UX/UI issues with adding a new account. No option to set IMAP special folders (?!). In many respects, the Mail app seems like a major step back from the Win8.1 version. Feedback shows hundreds of requests for the ability to disable conversation view. How could it get all the way through the public preview without acknowledging that feedback?

Dialogs linked from the Settings applet keep appearing behind it, completely covered-up.

 

[Hugh Jass]

You're making constructive observations of areas that can be confused.

If we try hard enough, I sure we can get Microsoft to add even more unneeded clicks / taps and a whole lot more mouse / hand travel distance too.

Damn all those handicap people with clunky alternative input devices! Let's make everything as inaccessible as possible!

One extra click makes things inaccessible?

Over exaggerate much?

 

[Shmee]

Hmm, I tried to insert the key I got from produkey from the upgade, did a clean install, and MS says the key is blocked....

 

[Ketchup]

Hmm, I tried to insert the key I got from produkey from the upgade, did a clean install, and MS says the key is blocked....

Wrong version perhaps?

 

[Shmee]

I installed Windows 10 Pro, just as I had from the upgrade.

 

[Ichinisan]

One extra click makes things inaccessible?

Over exaggerate much?

It was a hyperbolic reply to your idiotic reply. I really hoped you were being facetious.

You want to suppress criticisms for minor issues so they won't be acknowledged or improved? OK then.

 

[Dahak]

Hmm, I tried to insert the key I got from produkey from the upgade, did a clean install, and MS says the key is blocked....

Don't need to enter the key. If you did the in-place upgrade on that machine before doing a clean install.
After that, any type of install in that particular machine, you skip the key entry and once its on the internet it will activate

 

[Ichinisan]

I connected to my home PC via Remote Desktop from my Win7 work PC for the first time since upgrading the home PC to Win10.

I had a black screen. Don't remember if I even saw the user logon.

Closed my client and connected again. It logged-on successfully with my Microsoft account (credentials were stored in the Win7 client because I've been using it every day before the Win10 install).

The screen reformatted a little (expected because my monitor at work is 1600x900 and mine at home is 1920x1200). The Edge browser was maximized. My mouse pointer appeared as a spinner. Several minutes later, the spinner hadn't gone away. I realized it probably wasn't Edge that was unresponsive...because the spinner still appeared as I moved over my Taskbar items and I couldn't click anything there. I have my taskbar on the side of the screen to make things easier when I have my local desktop on one monitor and my remote desktop on the other (taskbar on the left side of the left display, and one on the right side of the right display.

Even though I can't click anything, the system is not frozen. I can see the time is still updating.

Wasn't watching the RDC window while I typed this. It was black when I switched back. Started to type a little more and switched back. Now I can see everything and the spinner is gone. Strange.

 

[Shmee]

Don't need to enter the key. If you did the in-place upgrade on that machine before doing a clean install.
After that, any type of install in that particular machine, you skip the key entry and once its on the internet it will activate

Thanks, I figured out how to clear the product key and did so. Still, I am on the internet but it will not activate. Guess it just needs time?

 

[SparkyJJO]

Thanks, I figured out how to clear the product key and did so. Still, I am on the internet but it will not activate. Guess it just needs time?

When you did the in-place upgrade it did activate over the internet then right? Because that has to happen in order for your upgrade to be validated.

 

[Ichinisan]

Once I finish clearing my tabs from Chrome, I'm going to wipe the system and do a clean install. I'll stick with Microsoft-only products (Chrome, Edge, Groove) as much as possible for a week or so to get the proper "vanilla" experience -- except I'll probably disable Flash player in Edge immediately.

Since so many settings would carry-over from my Microsoft account, is there a way to reset all those settings / preferences without resetting my entire account (profile info, messages, files, etc)?

 

[Puffnstuff]

Hmm, I tried to insert the key I got from produkey from the upgade, did a clean install, and MS says the key is blocked....

If you successfully upgraded in place and activated before then when you clean install don't enter any key, keep skipping when it asks you to enter a key, and once you are done you will find that it automatically activates on your hardware.

 

[Ichinisan]

In the Edge browser, the UI is confusing. Coming from another browser, you might think the book means "bookmarks." Old versions of IE trained people that the star button displays Favorites and the star with the little "+" is for adding the current site to Favorites. Well, there's no "+" on the star button, so it's a bit confusing when it doesn't display your Favorites and just shows the add-to-Favorites dialog. I'll probably never use the Web Note feature, but it always has a button at the top, occupying screen space. The Share button shows the wrong icon for Mail: A rolodex or calendar instead of an envelope. How does that happen?!

The browser UI that impress me the most: mobile Safari on iOS.

16:9 monitors are the norm now. That's great for immersive movies and games, but horrible for reading and working. It's important to minimize the browser UI to free-up as much vertical space as possible for web content. Even on a 4:3 iPad, it's refreshing that the browser can be configured to have far less UI "chrome" and nearly all of the screen space is used to display web content.

I disabled the tab bar in mobile Safari and never looked back. The entire browser UI is consolidated into a single row. Just a tiny strip. On iPad, that strip shrinks to almost nothing as I scroll down. On my iPhone, it disappears entirely while scrolling down. Who needs a bookmarks bar or Favorites bar? Just tap the address bar (almost anywhere along the top of the screen) and bookmarks appear below it. Who Needs a search-in-page button? Start typing in the address bar and the search-in-page option appears below (already showing how many instances appear). Other options like "request desktop site," bookmark current page, reading list, etc are consolidated into the address bar. I absolutely love it. Wasting screen space on an entire horizontal bar just for tabs is pointless when you can have a single button that zooms-out to show all the pages you have open, automatically grouped by site. Even re-opening a closed page can be done intuitively with the minimalistic UI (tap-and-hold on the "+"). Tab and hold on the "<" to list the whole back buffer and jump back as far as you want.

My main problem with Safari in OSX Yosemite / El Capitan is that you can't disable the tab bar. The browser looks perfect until I open a second page.


Why can't I click-and-hold the back button in Edge or click-and-drag-downward to view the whole back buffer? I thought all the browsers worked that way now?

In Edge, I can't right-click a tab and hit "c" to close anymore. That's programmed productivity behavior for me. Sometimes, you can't middle-click (laptop trackpad) and the same shortcut works to close almost any window (right-click the title bar or taskbar button and tap "c" to close).

I'm going to be submitting a lot of feedback on Edge. I doubt it will lead to anything though.

 

[Puffnstuff]

That's why I put IE 11 on my taskbar and set it to the default browser so edge will not launch when I click on a link.

 

[NuclearNed]

A couple of strange things...

I can't remember the details, but a few years ago I had a HDD problem where I lost a lot of files, and other files got corrupted. When this happened, I was able to salvage parts of the drive. In particular, I was able to burn family pics to DVD. Some of the pics files seemed to be corrupted, but I was still able to open them and view them in Win7. Win10 won't even copy these files from DVD to the HDD. In some cases, Win10 displays a message and gives me the option to skip the problematic file. In other cases, the DVD drive becomes unresponsive and I have to reboot the pc.

Also, about once a day I'm getting system crashes - BSOD. My hardware is 4-5 years old, so hopefully an eventual driver upgrade will fix this. If not, I may need to go back to Win7.