Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: dirtboy
I hope I never have sex with a virgin, seriously. I'd much rather get into bed with someone that was as adept at pleasing me as I am with pleasing them, than with someone who doesn't have a clue.
That's sex. This couple is in a relationship. In that context, virginity isn't just a physical state, it's, potentially, a very special and important symbol of intimacy.
Originally posted by:Geekbabe
She should drop him... and be sure to alert family and friends so they can keep an eye on her,this type can and does often get nasty and tries to force the issue when you tell em to hit the road.. shudder
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Originally posted by: Tallgeese
She needs to dump this loser. :frown:
He's simply pressuring her to do a sexual act she's not comfortable with.
And he would most likely drop her afterwards.
She should drop him... and be sure to alert family and friends so they can keep an eye on her,this type can and does often get nasty and tries to force the issue when you tell em to hit the road.. shudder
Originally posted by: HermitGuy
Originally posted by:Geekbabe
She should drop him... and be sure to alert family and friends so they can keep an eye on her,this type can and does often get nasty and tries to force the issue when you tell em to hit the road.. shudder
AMEN TO THAT!!
And now for my two cent's worth, even though I know it's going to get me in trouble. If it were me I'd be wondering if this guy swings both ways and I'd be out of there in a flash, too many diseases you can catch from that, including the big A.
I would hang a sign on my backside that says EXIT ONLY and head for the door.
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: dirtboy
I hope I never have sex with a virgin, seriously. I'd much rather get into bed with someone that was as adept at pleasing me as I am with pleasing them, than with someone who doesn't have a clue.
That's sex. This couple is in a relationship. In that context, virginity isn't just a physical state, it's, potentially, a very special and important symbol of intimacy.
I'm in a relationship and I have sex. Virginity isn't a factor for either of us. After you lose your virginity and move on to other people, you'll see that it isn't that special or intimate. In fact, it's rather meaningless. All it means is that the virgin has no experience and no experience means no fun.
I don't want to get in a lengthy discussion of this but I will say I was involved with somebody very similar,this isn't about sex or intimacy,it's about power and mind control.This dude is probably one of those very quiet,socially awkward types who was originally attracted to this girl because she is everything he's not..once he's tied up her attentions he's seeking to control and choke the very things about her that made her attractive to him in the first place.. because in so doing he thinks he'll make her unattractive to others as well.
Honestly...this should be all the answer your friend needs right there.Originally posted by: freesia39
my friend has a boyfriend and he can't take the fact that she's not a virgin.
Ah yes...the old "I had a dream" speech (apologies to MLK)he had this dream that he would only sleep with a virgin
So in his mind, she is in some way inadequate?and is disappointed at times that she isn't a virgin.
Compensating for what? Her deficiency or his?so he asks to do other things to compensate
So...for him, it's not the person he is involved with that matters, but the state of an orifice that does?because he can't obviously go out and FIND a virgin to sleep with
Does your reticence mirror hers?, mainly, um, to go from behind.
question answered. And quite frankly...this should be ALL the answer her bf needs from her about his subject.she doesn't want to do this.
Big warning sign here...back to that "orifice" question abovehe gets mad because all he wants is a virgin "hole" just once.
another BIG warning signhe keeps pressuring her,
yet ANOTHER huge red flagguilting her
again, notice how it's her problem, and not his?because she's not a virgin
Do I really need to point out this cliche?and if she loved him
I assume "he" here should be "she," and as such...notice how his needs come first?he would do this ONE thing to make him happy
What...is he some kind of Star Trek nutjob? A wannabe-Sir Edmund Hillary?- let him go somewhere no one else has gone before
Kind of a shift here, but I assume this is a concern she is having about "giving in?" That it would continue? And his pressure would continue? Who says it will stop if she says "no." What she wants obviously doesn't matter to him now, otherwise, why would this thread even be here?and even if she does it just once, he'll eventually want it again and again
Right on...and think more about the first part of that phrase than the second parti say if he loves her he'd understand
He's fixated on something that he is telling her is her "problem," but I the problem is really with him, IMHObut he's still stuck in his virgin dream
This threatening aspect is another red flag in my book, since all the things you mention are innocuous ways he can begin to control her.then he threatens to not do things for her - not take her to buy groceries, give her rides places, etc.
I don't see him ever getting any better about this issue, since she can't erase her pasthe still can't stand that she's slept with one other person
OK- her ex bf whom she was with for over a year -
He's so insecure...it's pathetic.and constantly annoys her about that, saying rude comments about him and the two of them together.
Imagine that.she doesn't want to leave him.
Fat chanceshe believes he can grow up someday
Too many jokes...must stay focusedand that it'll all be behind them
No doubt.but at the moment it's not going away.
she is SORELY mistaken if she thinks all guys are like this immature doofus.why the hell can't guys be happy and are so damn fixated with having a virgin? shouldn't the act itself be important?
If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, and acts like a duck, it must be...whenever he says anything like that, it seems to just belittle the sex they have together already because he's not happy with it because she's not a virgin, even though he would deny that but to keep pushing that point makes it seem that way.
This is a pretty important point you just made. IMHO, the single most damaging aspect of pornography is that it gives people (normally males) completely unrealistic ideas about sex. And believe it or not...pornography can make males much LESS self-confident about themselves because they don't "measure up" in some way (usually physically) to what they see. Porn can then deliver a double-whammy by reinforcing the idea that love = sex = control over another human being...which cannot be farther from the truth...and actually plants the seeds for violence against women, including rape.perhaps he was just too sexually starved and made it too idealized for him after all the porn and strip clubs and what not.
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: dirtboy
I hope I never have sex with a virgin, seriously. I'd much rather get into bed with someone that was as adept at pleasing me as I am with pleasing them, than with someone who doesn't have a clue.
That's sex. This couple is in a relationship. In that context, virginity isn't just a physical state, it's, potentially, a very special and important symbol of intimacy.
I'm in a relationship and I have sex. Virginity isn't a factor for either of us. After you lose your virginity and move on to other people, you'll see that it isn't that special or intimate. In fact, it's rather meaningless. All it means is that the virgin has no experience and no experience means no fun.
Keep telling yourself that. If virginity wasn't special then girls would give it up to the first guy who asked them. Fact is, they wait until they find a guy "special enough." Of course, when he dumps her months or years later, she has to tell herself that virginity is "rather meaningless" because otherwise she was duped out of it and she goes out and tries to find another guy "special enough." Bottom line is that if you're not with a virgin, you're just another in the long line of "special enoughs". Or maybe she's "special enough" for you.
Originally posted by: DeafeningSilence
So he wants to have sex with her while they're dating, but can't stand the fact that she had sex with the last guy she dated???
The bottom line is this: he's selfish, and keeps a double-standard. Your friend needs to tell him to grow up or find someone else.
Originally posted by: freesia39
no really tell me.
my friend has a boyfriend and he can't take the fact that she's not a virgin. he had this dream that he would only sleep with a virgin and is disappointed at times that she isn't a virgin. so he asks to do other things to compensate because he can't obviously go out and FIND a virgin to sleep with, mainly, um, to go from behind.
she doesn't want to do this. he gets mad because all he wants is a virgin "hole" just once. he keeps pressuring her, guilting her because she's not a virgin and if she loved him he would do this ONE thing to make him happy - let him go somewhere no one else has gone before. and even if she does it just once, he'll eventually want it again and again.
i say if he loves her he'd understand but he's still stuck in his virgin dream. then he threatens to not do things for her - not take her to buy groceries, give her rides places, etc. he still can't stand that she's slept with one other person - her ex bf whom she was with for over a year - and constantly annoys her about that, saying rude comments about him and the two of them together.
she doesn't want to leave him. she believes he can grow up someday and that it'll all be behind them but at the moment it's not going away.
why the hell can't guys be happy and are so damn fixated with having a virgin? shouldn't the act itself be important? whenever he says anything like that, it seems to just belittle the sex they have together already because he's not happy with it because she's not a virgin, even though he would deny that but to keep pushing that point makes it seem that way. perhaps he was just too sexually starved and made it too idealized for him after all the porn and strip clubs and what not.
i ask here because there are a lot of guys with so many different views on sex. so why?
Originally posted by: ScottyB
Well who wants a ho?
so he asks to do other things to compensate because he can't obviously go out and FIND a virgin to sleep with, mainly, um, to go from behind.
He is afraid of being rated "2'nd best performance" by her.
ROTF!
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: ScottyB
Well who wants a ho?
Just cuz she's not a virgin doesn't make her a ho....
Originally posted by: ScottyB
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: ScottyB
Well who wants a ho?
Just cuz she's not a virgin doesn't make her a ho....
I didn't say it did. The poster was asking basically asking why someone would want a virgin and I asked who wants a ho.
Originally posted by: Jzero
He is afraid of being rated "2'nd best performance" by her.
ROTF!
"I didn't get the "Best Sexual Partner" award, but at least I got the "Best Sexual Partner In A Non-Standard Orifice" award. It's a small consolation, but I consider it a psychological victory."
Originally posted by: Jzero
He is afraid of being rated "2'nd best performance" by her.
ROTF!
"I didn't get the "Best Sexual Partner" award, but at least I got the "Best Sexual Partner In A Non-Standard Orifice" award. It's a small consolation, but I consider it a psychological victory."
Originally posted by: edro13
Because you want your first time to be with someone you actually care about, that way you don't regret it the rest of your life. If you bang some skank, you will always remember that your first one was a whore, and you can't change the past.
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: dirtboy
I hope I never have sex with a virgin, seriously. I'd much rather get into bed with someone that was as adept at pleasing me as I am with pleasing them, than with someone who doesn't have a clue.
That's sex. This couple is in a relationship. In that context, virginity isn't just a physical state, it's, potentially, a very special and important symbol of intimacy.
I'm in a relationship and I have sex. Virginity isn't a factor for either of us. After you lose your virginity and move on to other people, you'll see that it isn't that special or intimate. In fact, it's rather meaningless. All it means is that the virgin has no experience and no experience means no fun.
Keep telling yourself that. If virginity wasn't special then girls would give it up to the first guy who asked them. Fact is, they wait until they find a guy "special enough." Of course, when he dumps her months or years later, she has to tell herself that virginity is "rather meaningless" because otherwise she was duped out of it and she goes out and tries to find another guy "special enough." Bottom line is that if you're not with a virgin, you're just another in the long line of "special enoughs". Or maybe she's "special enough" for you.
Perception is amazing, isn't it?
