why don't we make people work for unemployment checks

[HardcoreRobot]

i also support debtors prison instead of bankruptcy

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
i also support debtors prison instead of bankruptcy

Scarlett letters and stonings for all the poor unmarried couples living in sin as well.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: darkxshade
It's called unemployment insurance right? Except this business is run by the gov't, and your employer is paying the premiums in the form of taxes. I'm under the assumption that the gov't is profiting from this since if you think about it, if the umemployment rate is 5% that means employers are paying out premiums for the other 95% of the workforce. That's where the entitlement comes in as others has mentioned. Whether it comes out of your paycheck or the employer, a premium is paid to insure you from a job loss. You didn't ask to get let go, it unfortunately happened so you're entitled to that claim. That's why you don't get these checks if you quit.

edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's a deficit in the unemployment pool. So I don't see how any of this is coming from anyone's tax dollars per se.

even if you are right and there is not drain on tax dollars then why shouldn't there be an additional stipulation of community service.

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they were working they wouldn't be able to look for work.

15 - 20 hours per week seems reasonable. You can knock that out in 2-3 days then have the rest of the week for job search.

one of my tenants was laid off 2 months ago. He's been riding the unemployment gravy train for 2 months. been on 1 interview. If he was doing 15-20 hours of mandatory volunteer work he'd prob have more incentive not to be such a degenerate.

yeah, well my GF has applied to some ~200 jobs (no joke) over the previous 5 months. She's gotten maybe 3 interviews out of that. Her problem? Overqualified.

If you had any clue as to what was going on in the job market over the previous year you wouldn't be complaining about your tenant's 2-month unemployment. Is he still paying rent? Why do you care?

For some reason he believes they're being paid out of his pocket.

where does the difference come from? if someone "paid" x into the system and recieved y but y is greater than x? The extra comes from where?

read my response, it's insurance... not everyone got laid off, it was you unfortuantely but it's paid by those who were fortunate not to have gotten laid off which is the other 9x% of the population.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they were working they wouldn't be able to look for work.

15 - 20 hours per week seems reasonable. You can knock that out in 2-3 days then have the rest of the week for job search.

one of my tenants was laid off 2 months ago. He's been riding the unemployment gravy train for 2 months. been on 1 interview. If he was doing 15-20 hours of mandatory volunteer work he'd prob have more incentive not to be such a degenerate.

yeah, well my GF has applied to some ~200 jobs (no joke) over the previous 5 months. She's gotten maybe 3 interviews out of that. Her problem? Overqualified.

If you had any clue as to what was going on in the job market over the previous year you wouldn't be complaining about your tenant's 2-month unemployment. Is he still paying rent? Why do you care?

For some reason he believes they're being paid out of his pocket.

where does the difference come from? if someone "paid" x into the system and recieved y but y is greater than x? The extra comes from where?

Your mom.

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade
It's called unemployment insurance right? Except this business is run by the gov't, and your employer is paying the premiums in the form of taxes. I'm under the assumption that the gov't is profiting from this since if you think about it, if the umemployment rate is 5% that means employers are paying out premiums for the other 95% of the workforce. That's where the entitlement comes in as others has mentioned. Whether it comes out of your paycheck or the employer, a premium is paid to insure you from a job loss. You didn't ask to get let go, it unfortunately happened so you're entitled to that claim. That's why you don't get these checks if you quit.

edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's a deficit in the unemployment pool. So I don't see how any of this is coming from anyone's tax dollars per se.

even if you are right and there is not drain on tax dollars then why shouldn't there be an additional stipulation of community service.

Because your stipulation is random and does not quite make any sense. Work for welfare programs make sense, but implying that you must "earn" your unemployment by working actually makes no logistical sense, because you already did earn your unemployment by, you guessed it..WORKING!

Besides, with the economy the way it is now you really must be vigilant and devote yourself to a job search to get a job... It's not easy, young grasshopper.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade
It's called unemployment insurance right? Except this business is run by the gov't, and your employer is paying the premiums in the form of taxes. I'm under the assumption that the gov't is profiting from this since if you think about it, if the umemployment rate is 5% that means employers are paying out premiums for the other 95% of the workforce. That's where the entitlement comes in as others has mentioned. Whether it comes out of your paycheck or the employer, a premium is paid to insure you from a job loss. You didn't ask to get let go, it unfortunately happened so you're entitled to that claim. That's why you don't get these checks if you quit.

edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's a deficit in the unemployment pool. So I don't see how any of this is coming from anyone's tax dollars per se.

even if you are right and there is not drain on tax dollars then why shouldn't there be an additional stipulation of community service.

Because of ALL THE REASONS LISTED IN THE OTHER 5 PAGES.

Man, your being intentionally dense.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade
It's called unemployment insurance right? Except this business is run by the gov't, and your employer is paying the premiums in the form of taxes. I'm under the assumption that the gov't is profiting from this since if you think about it, if the umemployment rate is 5% that means employers are paying out premiums for the other 95% of the workforce. That's where the entitlement comes in as others has mentioned. Whether it comes out of your paycheck or the employer, a premium is paid to insure you from a job loss. You didn't ask to get let go, it unfortunately happened so you're entitled to that claim. That's why you don't get these checks if you quit.

edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's a deficit in the unemployment pool. So I don't see how any of this is coming from anyone's tax dollars per se.

even if you are right and there is not drain on tax dollars then why shouldn't there be an additional stipulation of community service.

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Because it was alreadyed EARNED from all those years out WORKING 5 days a week (or more!)

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

You're not understanding. Because they already earned it.

Originally posted by: Superself
Because unemployment checks are the result of work already performed.

You are trying to force people to work for something they have already earned. If you never worked, you will never get an unemployment check.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade
It's called unemployment insurance right? Except this business is run by the gov't, and your employer is paying the premiums in the form of taxes. I'm under the assumption that the gov't is profiting from this since if you think about it, if the umemployment rate is 5% that means employers are paying out premiums for the other 95% of the workforce. That's where the entitlement comes in as others has mentioned. Whether it comes out of your paycheck or the employer, a premium is paid to insure you from a job loss. You didn't ask to get let go, it unfortunately happened so you're entitled to that claim. That's why you don't get these checks if you quit.

edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's a deficit in the unemployment pool. So I don't see how any of this is coming from anyone's tax dollars per se.

even if you are right and there is not drain on tax dollars then why shouldn't there be an additional stipulation of community service.

Because your stipulation is random and does not quite make any sense. Work for welfare programs make sense, but implying that you must "earn" your unemployment by working actually makes no logistical sense, because you already did earn your unemployment by, you guessed it..WORKING!

Besides, with the economy the way it is now you really must be vigilant and devote yourself to a job search to get a job... It's not easy, young grasshopper.

I think too many people are looking for a new career instead of looking for a new job.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade
It's called unemployment insurance right? Except this business is run by the gov't, and your employer is paying the premiums in the form of taxes. I'm under the assumption that the gov't is profiting from this since if you think about it, if the umemployment rate is 5% that means employers are paying out premiums for the other 95% of the workforce. That's where the entitlement comes in as others has mentioned. Whether it comes out of your paycheck or the employer, a premium is paid to insure you from a job loss. You didn't ask to get let go, it unfortunately happened so you're entitled to that claim. That's why you don't get these checks if you quit.

edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's a deficit in the unemployment pool. So I don't see how any of this is coming from anyone's tax dollars per se.

even if you are right and there is not drain on tax dollars then why shouldn't there be an additional stipulation of community service.

Because your stipulation is random and does not quite make any sense. Work for welfare programs make sense, but implying that you must "earn" your unemployment by working actually makes no logistical sense, because you already did earn your unemployment by, you guessed it..WORKING!

Besides, with the economy the way it is now you really must be vigilant and devote yourself to a job search to get a job... It's not easy, young grasshopper.

I think too many people are looking for a new career instead of looking for a new job.

It is more valuable for the economy for engineers and lawyers and doctors etc to work in their trained field than to flip burgers at mcdonalds or to work as guards in the new financial prisons that will be built to hold the wall streeters.

 

[Wheezer]

GF has applied to some ~200 jobs (no joke) over the previous 5 months. She's gotten maybe 3 interviews out of that. Her problem? Overqualified.

well, I would say that is time to take a step back and see what the fuck she is doing wrong to present herself as "over qualified"...perhaps dial back the resume for starters...200 applications and all state she is "over qualified"?....see, there is a common denominator here....YOUR GF.... she better learn what her mistakes are and figure out how to fix it or she'll never get a job.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade
It's called unemployment insurance right? Except this business is run by the gov't, and your employer is paying the premiums in the form of taxes. I'm under the assumption that the gov't is profiting from this since if you think about it, if the umemployment rate is 5% that means employers are paying out premiums for the other 95% of the workforce. That's where the entitlement comes in as others has mentioned. Whether it comes out of your paycheck or the employer, a premium is paid to insure you from a job loss. You didn't ask to get let go, it unfortunately happened so you're entitled to that claim. That's why you don't get these checks if you quit.

edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's a deficit in the unemployment pool. So I don't see how any of this is coming from anyone's tax dollars per se.

even if you are right and there is not drain on tax dollars then why shouldn't there be an additional stipulation of community service.

Because of ALL THE REASONS LISTED IN THE OTHER 5 PAGES.

Man, your being intentionally dense.

I'm not certain it's intentional.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I think too many people are looking for a new career instead of looking for a new job.

No, they are looking for a new job. Those who are looking for new careers are only exploring that avenue because there are no available jobs in their current career and they need money now. They have families to provide for and time is running out.

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
even if you are right and there is not drain on tax dollars then why shouldn't there be an additional stipulation of community service.

You know what? Forget it. We have given you so many good reasons as to why funding this new government program that you want will be very complicated and you have not responded to any of it. I question whether or not you are even reading those posts. If you not interesting at approaching this situation objectively while observing the whole picture then there is little reason to continue discussion. I don't even think you give a shit about helping the community. You are only suggesting this because you have a misconception about the both the purpose and the generation of these funds and that misconception pisses you off just like welfare pisses you off. You are having major difficulties thinking about this situation beyond the POV of a young single male or female in their 20s or 30s with no family and no kids.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade
It's called unemployment insurance right? Except this business is run by the gov't, and your employer is paying the premiums in the form of taxes. I'm under the assumption that the gov't is profiting from this since if you think about it, if the umemployment rate is 5% that means employers are paying out premiums for the other 95% of the workforce. That's where the entitlement comes in as others has mentioned. Whether it comes out of your paycheck or the employer, a premium is paid to insure you from a job loss. You didn't ask to get let go, it unfortunately happened so you're entitled to that claim. That's why you don't get these checks if you quit.

edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's a deficit in the unemployment pool. So I don't see how any of this is coming from anyone's tax dollars per se.

even if you are right and there is not drain on tax dollars then why shouldn't there be an additional stipulation of community service.

Because of ALL THE REASONS LISTED IN THE OTHER 5 PAGES.

Man, your being intentionally dense.

I'm not certain it's intentional.

but your reasoning behind why it is already earned is "because its been already earned"

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade
It's called unemployment insurance right? Except this business is run by the gov't, and your employer is paying the premiums in the form of taxes. I'm under the assumption that the gov't is profiting from this since if you think about it, if the umemployment rate is 5% that means employers are paying out premiums for the other 95% of the workforce. That's where the entitlement comes in as others has mentioned. Whether it comes out of your paycheck or the employer, a premium is paid to insure you from a job loss. You didn't ask to get let go, it unfortunately happened so you're entitled to that claim. That's why you don't get these checks if you quit.

edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's a deficit in the unemployment pool. So I don't see how any of this is coming from anyone's tax dollars per se.

even if you are right and there is not drain on tax dollars then why shouldn't there be an additional stipulation of community service.

If you got rear ended in a traffic accident, how would you like a stipulation that you have to fix 50% of the car yourself before they pay you a car insurance claim?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I think too many people are looking for a new career instead of looking for a new job.

No, they are looking for a new job. Those who are looking for new careers are only exploring that avenue because there are no available jobs in their current career and they need money now. They have families to provide for and time is running out.

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
even if you are right and there is not drain on tax dollars then why shouldn't there be an additional stipulation of community service.

You know what? Forget it. We have given you so many good reasons as to why funding this new government program that you want will be very complicated and you have not responded to any of it. I question whether or not you are even reading those posts. If you not interesting at approaching this situation objectively while observing the whole picture then there is little reason to continue discussion. I don't even think you give a shit about helping the community. You are only suggesting this because you have a misconception about the both the purpose and the generation of these funds and that misconception pisses you off just like welfare pisses you off. You are having major difficulties thinking about this situation beyond the POV of a young single male or female in their 20s or 30s with no family and no kids.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

GF has applied to some ~200 jobs (no joke) over the previous 5 months. She's gotten maybe 3 interviews out of that. Her problem? Overqualified.

well, I would say that is time to take a step back and see what the fuck she is doing wrong to present herself as "over qualified"...perhaps dial back the resume for starters...200 applications and all state she is "over qualified"?....see, there is a common denominator here....YOUR GF.... she better learn what her mistakes are and figure out how to fix it or she'll never get a job.

It isn't nearly as uncommon as you may think in this market depending on the industry. The kinds of jobs that are becoming regularly available are typically not for those with a mid level amount of experience. However, there are many people that are unemployed right now with that experience. While these people would prefer to take a job that is at their level, these jobs are very rarely available and whenever one becomes available you are competing against a MASSIVE amount of other people that are in the same boat as you. So, they resort to applying for positions that are below their level of experience that they are overqualified for because it is better than no job at all in some cases.

Meanwhile, those who are interviewing and hiring for those low level positions do not take these overqualified individuals. One of the main reasons why is job security. These managers do not want to hire someone that they have to compete with. They want to hire someone that they can manage without having to worry about their own security in this very fragile and scary job market.


My SO went through the exact same problem not too long ago. She is an assistant controller and she was applying for low level payroll positions because options were way too limited otherwise.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade
It's called unemployment insurance right? Except this business is run by the gov't, and your employer is paying the premiums in the form of taxes. I'm under the assumption that the gov't is profiting from this since if you think about it, if the umemployment rate is 5% that means employers are paying out premiums for the other 95% of the workforce. That's where the entitlement comes in as others has mentioned. Whether it comes out of your paycheck or the employer, a premium is paid to insure you from a job loss. You didn't ask to get let go, it unfortunately happened so you're entitled to that claim. That's why you don't get these checks if you quit.

edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's a deficit in the unemployment pool. So I don't see how any of this is coming from anyone's tax dollars per se.

even if you are right and there is not drain on tax dollars then why shouldn't there be an additional stipulation of community service.

Because of ALL THE REASONS LISTED IN THE OTHER 5 PAGES.

Man, your being intentionally dense.

I'm not certain it's intentional.

but your reasoning behind why it is already earned is "because its been already earned"

Yes. Here let me pick another item already earned and act it out for you.

"How did you get that check?"

"I earned it."

"Hmm..I think you should have to do some community service before you can cash it."

"But why? I earned it!"

"Because.....then you won't be lazy."

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade
It's called unemployment insurance right? Except this business is run by the gov't, and your employer is paying the premiums in the form of taxes. I'm under the assumption that the gov't is profiting from this since if you think about it, if the umemployment rate is 5% that means employers are paying out premiums for the other 95% of the workforce. That's where the entitlement comes in as others has mentioned. Whether it comes out of your paycheck or the employer, a premium is paid to insure you from a job loss. You didn't ask to get let go, it unfortunately happened so you're entitled to that claim. That's why you don't get these checks if you quit.

edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's a deficit in the unemployment pool. So I don't see how any of this is coming from anyone's tax dollars per se.

even if you are right and there is not drain on tax dollars then why shouldn't there be an additional stipulation of community service.

Because of ALL THE REASONS LISTED IN THE OTHER 5 PAGES.

Man, your being intentionally dense.

I'm not certain it's intentional.

Oh! Oh...


Ohhh....

that's sad.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they were working they wouldn't be able to look for work.

15 - 20 hours per week seems reasonable. You can knock that out in 2-3 days then have the rest of the week for job search.

one of my tenants was laid off 2 months ago. He's been riding the unemployment gravy train for 2 months. been on 1 interview. If he was doing 15-20 hours of mandatory volunteer work he'd prob have more incentive not to be such a degenerate.

Hmm, I can see it now...

Potential employer: Can you come in on Tuesday for an interview?
Applicant: Sorry no, Tuesday is my mandatory Unemployment-Community-Service-Day. How about Thursday?
Potential employer: Sorry no, the people you need to interview with will be out Thursday. We'll just move on to the next applicant.

:roll:

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade
It's called unemployment insurance right? Except this business is run by the gov't, and your employer is paying the premiums in the form of taxes. I'm under the assumption that the gov't is profiting from this since if you think about it, if the umemployment rate is 5% that means employers are paying out premiums for the other 95% of the workforce. That's where the entitlement comes in as others has mentioned. Whether it comes out of your paycheck or the employer, a premium is paid to insure you from a job loss. You didn't ask to get let go, it unfortunately happened so you're entitled to that claim. That's why you don't get these checks if you quit.

edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's a deficit in the unemployment pool. So I don't see how any of this is coming from anyone's tax dollars per se.

even if you are right and there is not drain on tax dollars then why shouldn't there be an additional stipulation of community service.

Because of ALL THE REASONS LISTED IN THE OTHER 5 PAGES.

Man, your being intentionally dense.

I'm not certain it's intentional.

but your reasoning behind why it is already earned is "because its been already earned"

Yes. Here let me pick another item already earned and act it out for you.

"How did you get that check?"

"I earned it."

"Hmm..I think you should have to do some community service before you can cash it."

"But why? I earned it!"

"Because.....then you won't be lazy."

Lets use a different example completely. Lets say this was about the speed limit. I'm suggesting why can't the speed limit be 60 in stead of 55. Your reasoning is.....BECAUSE THE LIMIT IS 55!!!

YES I KNOW ITS 55 but we can change that.

YES I KNOW TODAY the concept of earned means you have to do nothing in addition to collecting your check. BUT WE CAN CHANGE THAT.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they were working they wouldn't be able to look for work.

15 - 20 hours per week seems reasonable. You can knock that out in 2-3 days then have the rest of the week for job search.

one of my tenants was laid off 2 months ago. He's been riding the unemployment gravy train for 2 months. been on 1 interview. If he was doing 15-20 hours of mandatory volunteer work he'd prob have more incentive not to be such a degenerate.

Hmm, I can see it now...

Potential employer: Can you come in on Tuesday for an interview?
Applicant: Sorry no, Tuesday is my mandatory Unemployment-Community-Service-Day. How about Thursday?
Potential employer: Sorry no, the people you need to interview with will be out Thursday. We'll just move on to the next applicant.

:roll:

lol you can volunteer any day you want that's what makes it great. you have 1 week to volunteer 5 or 10 hours any time you like any organization you like. IT could be sunday when your not interviewing anywhere because everything is closed. Who cares when it is. When courts issue community service they don't care when or how you get it done they just care that its done by the deadline specified. if you have 6 months and you wait until the last week it makes no difference to them.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they were working they wouldn't be able to look for work.

15 - 20 hours per week seems reasonable. You can knock that out in 2-3 days then have the rest of the week for job search.

one of my tenants was laid off 2 months ago. He's been riding the unemployment gravy train for 2 months. been on 1 interview. If he was doing 15-20 hours of mandatory volunteer work he'd prob have more incentive not to be such a degenerate.

You spend too much time caring about what other people are doing.

when its my money yeah.

But it's actually their money, since they paid into the unemployment insurance fund. Find something else to do with your time. Kthx.

You and your thread fail.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
lol you can volunteer any day you want that's what makes it great. you have 1 week to volunteer 5 or 10 hours any time you like any organization you like. IT could be sunday when your not interviewing anywhere because everything is closed. Who cares when it is. When courts issue community service they don't care when or how you get it done they just care that its done by the deadline specified. if you have 6 months and you wait until the last week it makes no difference to them.

Yes, that part is easy. Now, will you finally address the childcare and gas expense issue that is tied with it?

Oh, and what about the case where there isn't enough available service to fulfill the need? We got a lot of unemployed people out there right now...

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Lets use a different example completely. Lets say this was about the speed limit. I'm suggesting why can't the speed limit be 60 in stead of 55. Your reasoning is.....BECAUSE THE LIMIT IS 55!!!

YES I KNOW ITS 55 but we can change that.

YES I KNOW TODAY the concept of earned means you have to do nothing in addition to collecting your check. BUT WE CAN CHANGE THAT.

That's exactly nothing like the situation with unemployment insurance.