why don't we make people work for unemployment checks

[skace]

Wow Iceberg smoking some good shit today.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I didn't say it was I said it was still community service. Who cares if its voluntary the community is still benefiting. Which would be a primary goal of the program.

Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yes why can't they say hey we've been paying you in blind faith for 2 months now in order to still recieve benefits you have to volunteer x hours per week

replace volunteer with community service and get over it.

U also pulled that out of context of the thread. And I do understand requiring community service isn't the same as volunteering and involuntary also does not mean volunteering. so yeah your a real hero.

In other words, you just blatantly screwed up.

I'm going to bed. Have fun everybody.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
just some numbers 4.78m currently receiving benefits.

if they had to do only 5 hours of community service per week that would be nearly 100m man hours in a month. Think about what could be done to benefit communities and society in general with that kind of labor force.

There are 107million people getting tax refunds this year, if we made them all work just 5 hours of community service a week we would get like 2 billion man hours a month!

if I was getting a tax refund every week I'd like do community service every week.

Then why not change the rules, why not cut up tax refunds into 50 micro payments and make people do service to get each one?

You want your income tax refund slacker?

You have to volunteer...I mean do community service to earn it. We'll give you $5/hour credit towards your refund for every hour you work...I mean volunteer...I mean serve community service.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
just some numbers 4.78m currently receiving benefits.

if they had to do only 5 hours of community service per week that would be nearly 100m man hours in a month. Think about what could be done to benefit communities and society in general with that kind of labor force.

There are 107million people getting tax refunds this year, if we made them all work just 5 hours of community service a week we would get like 2 billion man hours a month!

if I was getting a tax refund every week I'd like do community service every week.

Then why not change the rules, why not cut up tax refunds into 50 micro payments and make people do service to get each one?

A refund means I over paid. People will just stop overpaying, it would never work.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I didn't say it was I said it was still community service. Who cares if its voluntary the community is still benefiting. Which would be a primary goal of the program.

Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yes why can't they say hey we've been paying you in blind faith for 2 months now in order to still recieve benefits you have to volunteer x hours per week

replace volunteer with community service and get over it.

But what is your basis for ordering community service on the unemployed? What did they do wrong? Because the type of community service you're describing now is a form of punishment.

You don't have to do community service but then your unemployment checks will stop after say.. 2 months or whatever seems reasonable based on data.

 

[jlee]

I pulled it out of context? Do you really want me to go through this entire thread and find every time you used the term "volunteer" in some way, shape or form? Seriously?

Please fix your post where you quoted me.

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
just some numbers 4.78m currently receiving benefits.

if they had to do only 5 hours of community service per week that would be nearly 100m man hours in a month. Think about what could be done to benefit communities and society in general with that kind of labor force.

There are 107million people getting tax refunds this year, if we made them all work just 5 hours of community service a week we would get like 2 billion man hours a month!

if I was getting a tax refund every week I'd like do community service every week.

Then why not change the rules, why not cut up tax refunds into 50 micro payments and make people do service to get each one?

A refund means I over paid. People will just stop overpaying, it would never work.

You're such a big fan of changing things that aren't broke, so why not stipulate that under-paying taxes will result in a hefty fine for every dollar underpaid?

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I didn't say it was I said it was still community service. Who cares if its voluntary the community is still benefiting. Which would be a primary goal of the program.

Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yes why can't they say hey we've been paying you in blind faith for 2 months now in order to still recieve benefits you have to volunteer x hours per week

replace volunteer with community service and get over it.

But what is your basis for ordering community service on the unemployed? What did they do wrong? Because the type of community service you're describing now is a form of punishment.

You don't have to do community service but then your unemployment checks will stop after say.. 2 months or whatever seems reasonable based on data.

What's with the focus on unemployment- a system where the recipients of unemployment benefits have actually paid for them? How about whining about the welfare system instead?

When you file a claim with your car insurance, do you want them to make you work until they feel you've worked enough to cover the difference between what you've paid in premiums/deductible and what the actual bill was?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: JLee
I pulled it out of context? Do you really want me to go through this entire thread and find every time you used the term "volunteer" in some way, shape or form? Seriously?

Please fix your post where you quoted me.

big fucking deal. dude seriously. your not making any headway with your big break through. I used volunteer when i really was communicating community service. OH NOES!!!!!!111

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
just some numbers 4.78m currently receiving benefits.

if they had to do only 5 hours of community service per week that would be nearly 100m man hours in a month. Think about what could be done to benefit communities and society in general with that kind of labor force.

There are 107million people getting tax refunds this year, if we made them all work just 5 hours of community service a week we would get like 2 billion man hours a month!

if I was getting a tax refund every week I'd like do community service every week.

Then why not change the rules, why not cut up tax refunds into 50 micro payments and make people do service to get each one?

A refund means I over paid. People will just stop overpaying, it would never work.

You're such a big fan of changing things that aren't broke, so why not stipulate that under-paying taxes will result in a hefty fine for every dollar underpaid?

They can try it but nobody would pay it.

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I didn't say it was I said it was still community service. Who cares if its voluntary the community is still benefiting. Which would be a primary goal of the program.

Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yes why can't they say hey we've been paying you in blind faith for 2 months now in order to still recieve benefits you have to volunteer x hours per week

replace volunteer with community service and get over it.

But what is your basis for ordering community service on the unemployed? What did they do wrong? Because the type of community service you're describing now is a form of punishment.

You don't have to do community service but then your unemployment checks will stop after say.. 2 months or whatever seems reasonable based on data.

1. You didn't answer the question, what is the basis for ordering community service on the unemployed?

2. Whatever seems reasonable based on data was 6 months before the checks stopped and they have in fact revised it up based on the current economic crisis so obviously someone is doing the math behind all this.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I didn't say it was I said it was still community service. Who cares if its voluntary the community is still benefiting. Which would be a primary goal of the program.

Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yes why can't they say hey we've been paying you in blind faith for 2 months now in order to still recieve benefits you have to volunteer x hours per week

replace volunteer with community service and get over it.

But what is your basis for ordering community service on the unemployed? What did they do wrong? Because the type of community service you're describing now is a form of punishment.

You don't have to do community service but then your unemployment checks will stop after say.. 2 months or whatever seems reasonable based on data.

What's with the focus on unemployment- a system where the recipients of unemployment benefits have actually paid for them? How about whining about the welfare system instead?

When you file a claim with your car insurance, do you want them to make you work until they feel you've worked enough to cover the difference between what you've paid in premiums/deductible and what the actual bill was?

Everybody already hates welfare me included so thats been beaten to death.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
why?

why don't we make people on public assistance do some kind of work for it?
why don't we make every American donate some time to volunteer work?
why don't we make prisoners earn their keep?


Because those things make sense, and those in charge aren't really in charge.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I didn't say it was I said it was still community service. Who cares if its voluntary the community is still benefiting. Which would be a primary goal of the program.

Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yes why can't they say hey we've been paying you in blind faith for 2 months now in order to still recieve benefits you have to volunteer x hours per week

replace volunteer with community service and get over it.

But what is your basis for ordering community service on the unemployed? What did they do wrong? Because the type of community service you're describing now is a form of punishment.

You don't have to do community service but then your unemployment checks will stop after say.. 2 months or whatever seems reasonable based on data.

1. You didn't answer the question, what is the basis for ordering community service on the unemployed?

2. Whatever seems reasonable based on data was 6 months before the checks stopped and they have in fact revised it up based on the current economic crisis so obviously someone is doing the math behind all this.

You can receive benefits up to 6 months but after 2 you have to do some community service weekly. WHY IS THAT SUCH A BIG DEAL? You are supposed to work this entitlement to a benefit for not working is ludicrous.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I didn't say it was I said it was still community service. Who cares if its voluntary the community is still benefiting. Which would be a primary goal of the program.

Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yes why can't they say hey we've been paying you in blind faith for 2 months now in order to still recieve benefits you have to volunteer x hours per week

replace volunteer with community service and get over it.

But what is your basis for ordering community service on the unemployed? What did they do wrong? Because the type of community service you're describing now is a form of punishment.

You don't have to do community service but then your unemployment checks will stop after say.. 2 months or whatever seems reasonable based on data.

What's with the focus on unemployment- a system where the recipients of unemployment benefits have actually paid for them? How about whining about the welfare system instead?

When you file a claim with your car insurance, do you want them to make you work until they feel you've worked enough to cover the difference between what you've paid in premiums/deductible and what the actual bill was?

Everybody already hates welfare me included so thats been beaten to death.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
why?

why don't we make people on public assistance do some kind of work for it?
why don't we make every American donate some time to volunteer work?
why don't we make prisoners earn their keep?


Because those things make sense, and those in charge aren't really in charge.

agree

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: JDub02
I have a better idea. Lets do away with unemployment benefits and government welfare completely. Unemployment is an excuse for people to be lazy.

Or privatize it, the insurance business when done correctly is a very profitable. With this method, it's off the governments hands and at the same time do away with unemployment tax, this will allow for a higher starting salary across the board. Then during the hiring process, an individual can either opt in or out of unemployment insurance(like any other insurance) and should they be laid off, they get nothing. Or if they opt in, then just like it is now, they get 6 months worth of paychecks.

Can you prove there is a critical issue that would necessitate such drastic action? (Other than the delusions in the OP's head of course.) A lot of these arguments sound derivative from the Protestant ethic of "work is always virtuous". I am really confused about the motivation of some people on here.

Yes. Government should not promote and pay for laziness. People should provide for their own unemployment with a 6 month emergency fund.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee
I pulled it out of context? Do you really want me to go through this entire thread and find every time you used the term "volunteer" in some way, shape or form? Seriously?

Please fix your post where you quoted me.

big fucking deal. dude seriously. your not making any headway with your big break through. I used volunteer when i really was communicating community service. OH NOES!!!!!!111

I don't need to make any headway- you're burying yourself well enough on your own.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I didn't say it was I said it was still community service. Who cares if its voluntary the community is still benefiting. Which would be a primary goal of the program.

Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yes why can't they say hey we've been paying you in blind faith for 2 months now in order to still recieve benefits you have to volunteer x hours per week

replace volunteer with community service and get over it.

But what is your basis for ordering community service on the unemployed? What did they do wrong? Because the type of community service you're describing now is a form of punishment.

You don't have to do community service but then your unemployment checks will stop after say.. 2 months or whatever seems reasonable based on data.

What's with the focus on unemployment- a system where the recipients of unemployment benefits have actually paid for them? How about whining about the welfare system instead?

When you file a claim with your car insurance, do you want them to make you work until they feel you've worked enough to cover the difference between what you've paid in premiums/deductible and what the actual bill was?

Everybody already hates welfare me included so thats been beaten to death.

No I'd rather not have insurance if that was the case.

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
They can try it but nobody would pay it.

How do you intend to stop the government from taking it directly from your check throught the employer?

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I didn't say it was I said it was still community service. Who cares if its voluntary the community is still benefiting. Which would be a primary goal of the program.

Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yes why can't they say hey we've been paying you in blind faith for 2 months now in order to still recieve benefits you have to volunteer x hours per week

replace volunteer with community service and get over it.

But what is your basis for ordering community service on the unemployed? What did they do wrong? Because the type of community service you're describing now is a form of punishment.

You don't have to do community service but then your unemployment checks will stop after say.. 2 months or whatever seems reasonable based on data.

What's with the focus on unemployment- a system where the recipients of unemployment benefits have actually paid for them? How about whining about the welfare system instead?

When you file a claim with your car insurance, do you want them to make you work until they feel you've worked enough to cover the difference between what you've paid in premiums/deductible and what the actual bill was?

Everybody already hates welfare me included so thats been beaten to death.

No I'd rather not have insurance if that was the case.

Well, then I'd rather have my employer pay me what it costs them to pay into unemployment.

Problem solved.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
They can try it but nobody would pay it.

How do you intend to stop the government from taking it directly from your check throught the employer?

lol right. there would be rioting in the streets. Why doesn't the govt. just take all of our checks? Then make us do 40 additonal hours of community service if we want food stamps. Get real dude.

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I didn't say it was I said it was still community service. Who cares if its voluntary the community is still benefiting. Which would be a primary goal of the program.

Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yes why can't they say hey we've been paying you in blind faith for 2 months now in order to still recieve benefits you have to volunteer x hours per week

replace volunteer with community service and get over it.

But what is your basis for ordering community service on the unemployed? What did they do wrong? Because the type of community service you're describing now is a form of punishment.

You don't have to do community service but then your unemployment checks will stop after say.. 2 months or whatever seems reasonable based on data.

1. You didn't answer the question, what is the basis for ordering community service on the unemployed?

2. Whatever seems reasonable based on data was 6 months before the checks stopped and they have in fact revised it up based on the current economic crisis so obviously someone is doing the math behind all this.

You can receive benefits up to 6 months but after 2 you have to do some community service weekly. WHY IS THAT SUCH A BIG DEAL? You are supposed to work this entitlement to a benefit for not working is ludicrous.

You still did not answer the 1st question... You should be a politician.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I didn't say it was I said it was still community service. Who cares if its voluntary the community is still benefiting. Which would be a primary goal of the program.

Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yes why can't they say hey we've been paying you in blind faith for 2 months now in order to still recieve benefits you have to volunteer x hours per week

replace volunteer with community service and get over it.

But what is your basis for ordering community service on the unemployed? What did they do wrong? Because the type of community service you're describing now is a form of punishment.

You don't have to do community service but then your unemployment checks will stop after say.. 2 months or whatever seems reasonable based on data.

1. You didn't answer the question, what is the basis for ordering community service on the unemployed?

2. Whatever seems reasonable based on data was 6 months before the checks stopped and they have in fact revised it up based on the current economic crisis so obviously someone is doing the math behind all this.

You can receive benefits up to 6 months but after 2 you have to do some community service weekly. WHY IS THAT SUCH A BIG DEAL? You are supposed to work this entitlement to a benefit for not working is ludicrous.

You still did not answer the 1st question... You should be a politician.

Deductible for insurance benefit received.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they were working they wouldn't be able to look for work.

15 - 20 hours per week seems reasonable. You can knock that out in 2-3 days then have the rest of the week for job search.

one of my tenants was laid off 2 months ago. He's been riding the unemployment gravy train for 2 months. been on 1 interview. If he was doing 15-20 hours of mandatory volunteer work he'd prob have more incentive not to be such a degenerate.

yeah, well my GF has applied to some ~200 jobs (no joke) over the previous 5 months. She's gotten maybe 3 interviews out of that. Her problem? Overqualified.

If you had any clue as to what was going on in the job market over the previous year you wouldn't be complaining about your tenant's 2-month unemployment. Is he still paying rent? Why do you care?

For some reason he believes they're being paid out of his pocket.

where does the difference come from? if someone "paid" x into the system and recieved y but y is greater than x? The extra comes from where?

/facepalm.

i found the answer never mind.

http://www.bizjournals.com/bal...2008/10/27/story3.html

So you live in Maryland? No? Well surely you must at least work there?