why don't we make people work for unemployment checks

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Work to do what exactly?

community service. 15-20 hours a week. Something so they can still search for other jobs but aren't being total leeches on society.

Sez the guy who works/worked in the strip club...talk about leeching off society...

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Superself
Because unemployment checks are the result of work already performed.

You are trying to force people to work for something they have already earned. If you never worked, you will never get an unemployment check.

Yeah your missing the point here. Why shouldn't it be "earned" once you complete the community service? I understand how the law is written now but why shouldn't it be modified?

You're not understanding. Because they already earned it.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Superself
Because unemployment checks are the result of work already performed.

You are trying to force people to work for something they have already earned. If you never worked, you will never get an unemployment check.

Yeah your missing the point here. Why shouldn't it be "earned" once you complete the community service? I understand how the law is written now but why shouldn't it be modified?

Because it was alreadyed EARNED from all those years out WORKING 5 days a week (or more!)

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Work to do what exactly?

community service. 15-20 hours a week. Something so they can still search for other jobs but aren't being total leeches on society.

Sez the guy who works/worked in the strip club...talk about leeching off society...

That was the second of my 3 on the books jobs for which I paid all my taxes.

 

[Adul]

i like this idea, motivation to find a job

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Work to do what exactly?

community service. 15-20 hours a week. Something so they can still search for other jobs but aren't being total leeches on society.

Sez the guy who works/worked in the strip club...talk about leeching off society...

That was the second of my 3 on the books jobs for which I paid all my taxes.

And people who collect unemployment benefits have to pay taxes on that as well...

(I suxxors at teh quoting today)

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Superself
Because unemployment checks are the result of work already performed.

You are trying to force people to work for something they have already earned. If you never worked, you will never get an unemployment check.

Yeah your missing the point here. Why shouldn't it be "earned" once you complete the community service? I understand how the law is written now but why shouldn't it be modified?

Because there's no good reason to do so. Consider the fact that it would cost the government even more money to put such a program into place and monitor it.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Superself
Because unemployment checks are the result of work already performed.

You are trying to force people to work for something they have already earned. If you never worked, you will never get an unemployment check.

Yeah your missing the point here. Why shouldn't it be "earned" once you complete the community service? I understand how the law is written now but why shouldn't it be modified?

You're not understanding. Because they already earned it.

As the law is written today yes. Its just a law it can be changed.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
ok okay for sake of argument Lets say this is a god given right. Why can't it be offset also by the stipulation that you must be serving the community for some amount of time in addition to searching for a job?

You have to be flexible to apply for jobs, run around town, make copies, get letters of recommendation, multiple interviews, on the job tests / exams / training. Not to mention that you need that last unemployment check before you start getting paying work which makes it a tough overlap with community service.

Volunteer work is inherently flexible. The rest is all workable with a good process in place. Lower the requirement to 5 hours a week if you have kids or 10 if your single.

If it's required it's not volunteer work.

Also, why is the government ENTITLED to something for nothing yet the worker is NOT ENTITLED to money that they have worked for already?

semantics. Community service is community service. required or not. The government isn't receiving the benefit necessarily. Volunteer work can be done at many non profits.

Almost every post you've made so far has been about "semantics", such as saying that just because it's not a tax on the employees individual paycheck that they didn't earn UI.

Heck, if UI isn't going to be paid if earned why not just eliminate it and pay a government stipend equal to a portion of your pay for volunteering, I'll just get fired, and volunteer for the rest of my days.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Adul
i like this idea, motivation to find a job

You know that you don't just get to stay on unemployment forever, right? I think the prospect of not having any money is pretty good motivation.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Adul
i like this idea, motivation to find a job

You assume that getting paid a fraction of what you were making when working is not motivation enough?

 

[Superself]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Superself
Because unemployment checks are the result of work already performed.

You are trying to force people to work for something they have already earned. If you never worked, you will never get an unemployment check.

Yeah your missing the point here. Why shouldn't it be "earned" once you complete the community service? I understand how the law is written now but why shouldn't it be modified?

Your point isn't going to help as much as you would think.

Community service takes jobs away from people seeking employment. As the unemployment pool widens, you will have millions of people doing community service who are way overqualified. As a result you will have lower qualified people unable to find a job because it gets done by those unemployed.

What you gonna do then?

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Adul
i like this idea, motivation to find a job

Unemployment runs out. Plus you have to keep applying for jobs to keep receiving benefits.

There is a lot of motivation. Look into the terms of unemployment.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Superself

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Superself
Because unemployment checks are the result of work already performed.

You are trying to force people to work for something they have already earned. If you never worked, you will never get an unemployment check.

Yeah your missing the point here. Why shouldn't it be "earned" once you complete the community service? I understand how the law is written now but why shouldn't it be modified?

Your point isn't going to help as much as you would think.

Community service takes jobs away from people seeking employment. As the unemployment pool widens, you will have millions of people doing community service who are way overqualified. As a result you will have lower qualified people unable to find a job because it gets done by those unemployed.

What you gonna do then?

I think your not understanding community service. If people stopped building houses for habitat for humanity tommorow. Will they hire people to build them? NO! Building stops.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Work to do what exactly?

community service. 15-20 hours a week. Something so they can still search for other jobs but aren't being total leeches on society.

eh, if you've ever been unemployed you'd know that looking for a new job does not involve sitting on your ass twiddling your thumbs all day while the cheques roll in.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Superself

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Superself
Because unemployment checks are the result of work already performed.

You are trying to force people to work for something they have already earned. If you never worked, you will never get an unemployment check.

Yeah your missing the point here. Why shouldn't it be "earned" once you complete the community service? I understand how the law is written now but why shouldn't it be modified?

Your point isn't going to help as much as you would think.

Community service takes jobs away from people seeking employment. As the unemployment pool widens, you will have millions of people doing community service who are way overqualified. As a result you will have lower qualified people unable to find a job because it gets done by those unemployed.

What you gonna do then?

Then it steamrolls into increased crime rate, ghettos, and poverty.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Work to do what exactly?

community service. 15-20 hours a week. Something so they can still search for other jobs but aren't being total leeches on society.

eh, if you've ever been unemployed you'd know that looking for a new job does not involve sitting on your ass twiddling your thumbs all day while the cheques roll in.

I know plenty of people doing just that. Or people that get cash jobs and are collecting checks and payment from cash jobs. very very very common.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Superself

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Superself
Because unemployment checks are the result of work already performed.

You are trying to force people to work for something they have already earned. If you never worked, you will never get an unemployment check.

Yeah your missing the point here. Why shouldn't it be "earned" once you complete the community service? I understand how the law is written now but why shouldn't it be modified?

Your point isn't going to help as much as you would think.

Community service takes jobs away from people seeking employment. As the unemployment pool widens, you will have millions of people doing community service who are way overqualified. As a result you will have lower qualified people unable to find a job because it gets done by those unemployed.

What you gonna do then?

I think your not understanding community service. If people stopped building houses for habitat for humanity tommorow. Will they hire people to build them? NO! Building stops.

Nope, then they'd just built more Section 8 housing instead for people to live in. Which they hire people to build.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they were working they wouldn't be able to look for work.

15 - 20 hours per week seems reasonable. You can knock that out in 2-3 days then have the rest of the week for job search.

one of my tenants was laid off 2 months ago. He's been riding the unemployment gravy train for 2 months. been on 1 interview. If he was doing 15-20 hours of mandatory volunteer work he'd prob have more incentive not to be such a degenerate.

yeah, well my GF has applied to some ~200 jobs (no joke) over the previous 5 months. She's gotten maybe 3 interviews out of that. Her problem? Overqualified.

If you had any clue as to what was going on in the job market over the previous year you wouldn't be complaining about your tenant's 2-month unemployment. Is he still paying rent? Why do you care?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they were working they wouldn't be able to look for work.

15 - 20 hours per week seems reasonable. You can knock that out in 2-3 days then have the rest of the week for job search.

one of my tenants was laid off 2 months ago. He's been riding the unemployment gravy train for 2 months. been on 1 interview. If he was doing 15-20 hours of mandatory volunteer work he'd prob have more incentive not to be such a degenerate.

You spend too much time caring about what other people are doing.

maybe he has all this free time sitting on his ass and not working?

 

[darkxshade]

It's called unemployment insurance right? Except this business is run by the gov't, and your employer is paying the premiums in the form of taxes. I'm under the assumption that the gov't is profiting from this since if you think about it, if the umemployment rate is 5% that means employers are paying out premiums for the other 95% of the workforce. That's where the entitlement comes in as others has mentioned. Whether it comes out of your paycheck or the employer, a premium is paid to insure you from a job loss. You didn't ask to get let go, it unfortunately happened so you're entitled to that claim. That's why you don't get these checks if you quit.

edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's a deficit in the unemployment pool. So I don't see how any of this is coming from anyone's tax dollars per se.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they were working they wouldn't be able to look for work.

15 - 20 hours per week seems reasonable. You can knock that out in 2-3 days then have the rest of the week for job search.

one of my tenants was laid off 2 months ago. He's been riding the unemployment gravy train for 2 months. been on 1 interview. If he was doing 15-20 hours of mandatory volunteer work he'd prob have more incentive not to be such a degenerate.

yeah, well my GF has applied to some ~200 jobs (no joke) over the previous 5 months. She's gotten maybe 3 interviews out of that. Her problem? Overqualified.

If you had any clue as to what was going on in the job market over the previous year you wouldn't be complaining about your tenant's 2-month unemployment. Is he still paying rent? Why do you care?

For some reason he believes they're being paid out of his pocket.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they were working they wouldn't be able to look for work.

15 - 20 hours per week seems reasonable. You can knock that out in 2-3 days then have the rest of the week for job search.

one of my tenants was laid off 2 months ago. He's been riding the unemployment gravy train for 2 months. been on 1 interview. If he was doing 15-20 hours of mandatory volunteer work he'd prob have more incentive not to be such a degenerate.

You spend too much time caring about what other people are doing.

when its my money yeah.

You're paying him directly?

never mind this is too complicated for you.

so this is how you phrase "Oops, I'm a dumbass. Sorry ATOT, I have no idea what I'm talking about?"

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they were working they wouldn't be able to look for work.

15 - 20 hours per week seems reasonable. You can knock that out in 2-3 days then have the rest of the week for job search.

one of my tenants was laid off 2 months ago. He's been riding the unemployment gravy train for 2 months. been on 1 interview. If he was doing 15-20 hours of mandatory volunteer work he'd prob have more incentive not to be such a degenerate.

yeah, well my GF has applied to some ~200 jobs (no joke) over the previous 5 months. She's gotten maybe 3 interviews out of that. Her problem? Overqualified.

If you had any clue as to what was going on in the job market over the previous year you wouldn't be complaining about your tenant's 2-month unemployment. Is he still paying rent? Why do you care?

For some reason he believes they're being paid out of his pocket.

I'm glad I don't live in IcebergSlim land. *salutes USA*

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they were working they wouldn't be able to look for work.

15 - 20 hours per week seems reasonable. You can knock that out in 2-3 days then have the rest of the week for job search.

one of my tenants was laid off 2 months ago. He's been riding the unemployment gravy train for 2 months. been on 1 interview. If he was doing 15-20 hours of mandatory volunteer work he'd prob have more incentive not to be such a degenerate.

yeah, well my GF has applied to some ~200 jobs (no joke) over the previous 5 months. She's gotten maybe 3 interviews out of that. Her problem? Overqualified.

If you had any clue as to what was going on in the job market over the previous year you wouldn't be complaining about your tenant's 2-month unemployment. Is he still paying rent? Why do you care?

For some reason he believes they're being paid out of his pocket.

where does the difference come from? if someone "paid" x into the system and recieved y but y is greater than x? The extra comes from where?