why don't we make people work for unemployment checks

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Work to do what exactly?

community service. 15-20 hours a week. Something so they can still search for other jobs but aren't being total leeches on society.

That's great. People who worked hard and through no fault of their own lost their jobs and have to search for job after job are being called leeches....

yeah whats the problem?

Maybe you should figure out how unemployment works, otherwise you just come off sounding foolish.

We pay into Unemployment Insurance, and as much as I've paid into it if I ever did need it I'd be more than entitled to it.

Also very true. It is not like welfare. Think of it as a mandatory nest egg that we pay for while we work.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Work to do what exactly?

community service. 15-20 hours a week. Something so they can still search for other jobs but aren't being total leeches on society.

Conceptually, what you are suggesting it not a bad idea, but it gets really complicated. One general issue is that doing community service will add to their expenses. For example, how will they get to the location to do the service? Most likely it will be by vehicle and that means gas money.

Also, a lot of people that are unemployed have young children that are normally placed in daycare while they are at work. These daycares get very expensive. $500-$1000/mo is not unrealistic at all. However, while unemployed, they can pull their kids out of the daycares and watch them at home. That helps a lot to extend the time they got to find a job before going to into serious debt. If they had to do community service, then who would watch the kids? Some could find ways, but many could not.

Then you got the whole scheduling interviews and taking regular phone calls thing to try and get a job. That takes time and it requires availability. You are lessening that time and availability if they are out doing community service. However, that issue is a lot easier to work around so it may not need to be considered. Just understand that it exists.

I am sure the list of complications is longer too.

How dare you think something through. We don't care for your diligence around here.

 

[Drakkon]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Work to do what exactly?

community service. 15-20 hours a week. Something so they can still search for other jobs but aren't being total leeches on society.

I believe you're thinking of welfare, not unemployment.
This thread is stupid.

Yep methinks some people need to look into the difference.

Now if this thread were about welfare, food stamps, and other govt taxpayer paid programs then I'd agree - put em to work picking up trash.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Work to do what exactly?

community service. 15-20 hours a week. Something so they can still search for other jobs but aren't being total leeches on society.

That's great. People who worked hard and through no fault of their own lost their jobs and have to search for job after job are being called leeches....

yeah whats the problem?

Maybe you should figure out how unemployment works, otherwise you just come off sounding foolish.

We pay into Unemployment Insurance, and as much as I've paid into it if I ever did need it I'd be more than entitled to it.

Also very true. It is not like welfare. Think of it as a mandatory nest egg that we pay for while we work.

Exactly. It's like Social Security Benefits when you retire.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Drakkon

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Work to do what exactly?

community service. 15-20 hours a week. Something so they can still search for other jobs but aren't being total leeches on society.

I believe you're thinking of welfare, not unemployment.
This thread is stupid.

Yep methinks some people need to look into the difference.

Now if this thread were about welfare, food stamps, and other govt taxpayer paid programs then I'd agree - put em to work picking up trash.

100% Agree!

Seriously, anyone that opposes helping our laid off people not starve to death and make caring for their family and finding a job as painless as possible has never had to go through a bad enough situation in their own life.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Work to do what exactly?

community service. 15-20 hours a week. Something so they can still search for other jobs but aren't being total leeches on society.

That's great. People who worked hard and through no fault of their own lost their jobs and have to search for job after job are being called leeches....

yeah whats the problem?

Maybe you should figure out how unemployment works, otherwise you just come off sounding foolish.

We pay into Unemployment Insurance, and as much as I've paid into it if I ever did need it I'd be more than entitled to it.

I pay into social security to but I have no expectation of seeing a dime of that money.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they were working they wouldn't be able to look for work.

15 - 20 hours per week seems reasonable. You can knock that out in 2-3 days then have the rest of the week for job search.

one of my tenants was laid off 2 months ago. He's been riding the unemployment gravy train for 2 months. been on 1 interview. If he was doing 15-20 hours of mandatory volunteer work he'd prob have more incentive not to be such a degenerate.

You spend too much time caring about what other people are doing.

when its my money yeah.

You're paying him directly?

never mind this is too complicated for you.

Apparently, it's too complicated for you.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Work to do what exactly?

community service. 15-20 hours a week. Something so they can still search for other jobs but aren't being total leeches on society.

That's great. People who worked hard and through no fault of their own lost their jobs and have to search for job after job are being called leeches....

yeah whats the problem?

Maybe you should figure out how unemployment works, otherwise you just come off sounding foolish.

We pay into Unemployment Insurance, and as much as I've paid into it if I ever did need it I'd be more than entitled to it.

I pay into social security to but I have no expectation of seeing a dime of that money.

Well it is my money and I expect it to be there when I retire to supplement my 401k and other benefits.

I am just going to guess that the government will pass the burden onto my generations children with higher taxes to take care of the issue that they dipped into the fund and mismanaged it's resources.

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they were working they wouldn't be able to look for work.

15 - 20 hours per week seems reasonable. You can knock that out in 2-3 days then have the rest of the week for job search.

one of my tenants was laid off 2 months ago. He's been riding the unemployment gravy train for 2 months. been on 1 interview. If he was doing 15-20 hours of mandatory volunteer work he'd prob have more incentive not to be such a degenerate.

You spend too much time caring about what other people are doing.

when its my money yeah.

You're cutting checks?

No, the op is just an idiot who doesn't understand how unemployment works. Money is taken out of MY paycheck to protect me if I get laid off. I'm paying to myself, douchebag.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Work to do what exactly?

community service. 15-20 hours a week. Something so they can still search for other jobs but aren't being total leeches on society.

That's great. People who worked hard and through no fault of their own lost their jobs and have to search for job after job are being called leeches....

yeah whats the problem?

Maybe you should figure out how unemployment works, otherwise you just come off sounding foolish.

We pay into Unemployment Insurance, and as much as I've paid into it if I ever did need it I'd be more than entitled to it.

I pay into social security to but I have no expectation of seeing a dime of that money.

Well it is my money and I expect it to be there when I retire to supplement my 401k and other benefits.

I am just going to guess that the government will pass the burden onto my generations children with higher taxes to take care of the issue that they dipped into the fund and mismanaged it's resources.

its not your money. Your employer pays it from payroll tax and the difference if any is covered by the state.

 

[Newbian]

I love these P&N threads here.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

its not your money. Your employer pays it from payroll tax and the difference if any is covered by the state.

No, it is our money. That is part of our payment for working for our employer. It is a benefit and it is a type of insurance just like health insurance through your company is a benefit. You work for it.

That is the part you do not understand.

 

[Alone]

Why should I have to work for the money that I already put into EI? I don't know how it works in the U.S., but here in Canada, you barely get any of what you put into EI.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

its not your money. Your employer pays it from payroll tax and the difference if any is covered by the state.

It is your money as much as the tax money you thought was paying for unemployment.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

looking at my pay stub now and I see nothing about unemployment insurance deductions. Its a tax on your employer not on you.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Work to do what exactly?

community service. 15-20 hours a week. Something so they can still search for other jobs but aren't being total leeches on society.

That's great. People who worked hard and through no fault of their own lost their jobs and have to search for job after job are being called leeches....

yeah whats the problem?

Maybe you should figure out how unemployment works, otherwise you just come off sounding foolish.

We pay into Unemployment Insurance, and as much as I've paid into it if I ever did need it I'd be more than entitled to it.

I pay into social security to but I have no expectation of seeing a dime of that money.

Well it is my money and I expect it to be there when I retire to supplement my 401k and other benefits.

I am just going to guess that the government will pass the burden onto my generations children with higher taxes to take care of the issue that they dipped into the fund and mismanaged it's resources.

its not your money. Your employer pays it from payroll tax and the difference if any is covered by the state.

Logical fallacy.

If I were not working those payroll taxes would not be paid, therefore the payroll taxes are a condition of my employment. I am entitled to these benefits.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

its not your money. Your employer pays it from payroll tax and the difference if any is covered by the state.

It is your money as much as the tax money you thought was paying for unemployment.

The state covers the difference between whats paid by employers and what must be paid out to the population.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
looking at my pay stub now and I see nothing about unemployment insurance deductions. Its a tax on your employer not on you.

If its a tax on your employer then it is a tax on you.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
looking at my pay stub now and I see nothing about unemployment insurance deductions. Its a tax on your employer not on you.

If its a tax on your employer then it is a tax on you.

post the pay stub that shows this deduction please.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

ok okay for sake of argument Lets say this is a god given right. Why can't it be offset also by the stipulation that you must be serving the community for some amount of time in addition to searching for a job?

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

its not your money. Your employer pays it from payroll tax and the difference if any is covered by the state.

It is your money as much as the tax money you thought was paying for unemployment.

The state covers the difference between whats paid by employers and what must be paid out to the population.

And where does that money come from? People working. Just because someone is currently on unemployment doesn't negate them working before (which means you are contributing to it by working, so it is your money).

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
looking at my pay stub now and I see nothing about unemployment insurance deductions. Its a tax on your employer not on you.

If its a tax on your employer then it is a tax on you.

post the pay stub that shows this deduction please.

My above post explained it as clear as it can be...the tax wouldn't be paid without the employee so it is a condition of the employee working for the employer that they pay UI Insurance.

 

[theeedude]

How about we make old and disabled people work 20 hrs for their social security checks?

 

[Fritzo]

Can't look for jobs if you're working.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
ok okay for sake of argument Lets say this is a god given right. Why can't it be offset also by the stipulation that you must be serving the community for some amount of time in addition to searching for a job?

You have to be flexible to apply for jobs, run around town, make copies, get letters of recommendation, multiple interviews, on the job tests / exams / training. Not to mention that you need that last unemployment check before you start getting paying work which makes it a tough overlap with community service.