Why are we Californians charged such high gas prices now?

[everman]

It's because CA has huge ports that allow the importation of huge amounts of fuel and oil, the presence of so much fuel makes gas price gnomes increase prices. As you see in the map, landlocked states must import all fuel thus they have no gas price gnomes thus much lower gas prices. It really does make about this much sense... 😕

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Things may have changed in last couple years but AFAIK, CA does not import gasoline for the simple reason that only refineries in CA can produce gasoline (at a "reasonable cost") that meets CA emission standards. I used to work at the Tosco refinery in L.A. and know a couple of folks who work at Tosco and Chevron in L.A.

But this does make CA a closed market...so if one or two refineries in CA experience problems or haul back on production for repairs/maintenance... gas prices in CA shoot up due to low supply in the face of steady/increasing demand.

Before too long, CA is going to have to allow refineries to expand to meet demand...or folks in CA will be paying 5 bucks a gallon.

A closed market in control by incompetent Companies, you don't say?

That just can't be.

Any stations run out of gasoline yet? You guys started rationing yet?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: everman
It's because CA has huge ports that allow the importation of huge amounts of fuel and oil, the presence of so much fuel makes gas price gnomes increase prices. As you see in the map, landlocked states must import all fuel thus they have no gas price gnomes thus much lower gas prices. It really does make about this much sense... 😕

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: :thumbsup:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Ask your idiots in Sacramento to open up the coast for offshore drilling.

Uhh no... i like the beaches having no oil on them thanks. I live in Santa Barbara and we DO have some off site drilling... occasionally theres some spillage and the beaches get screwed for months/years.

So what are you going to do one day when oil becomes even more scarce and states like mine, Texas, just decide we won't ship it your way as it best suits fueling our economy?

I love the CA mindset of "not in my backyard" but then expect everyone to bend over backwards providing them with the things they don't want to produce in state and then bitch about the price. This will continue to bite you in the ass and one day it will be your undoing.

Oh 😎 please stop shipping oil to California and everywhere else.

At least then there won't be record high oil inventories like we have now.

 

[zebano]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Amused
Because you keep voting in leftist hippies for your state government who pass high gas taxes and the strictest environmental laws in the nation.

Arnold is a leftist hippie?

Oh yes, because you know that Arnold has complete and total power in CA and is responsible for laws passed years before he took office. He is the terminator, ya know.

:roll:

More to the point, the legislative branch drafts laws, not the executive. Please go take a 4th grade social studies class.

 

[technophile82]

aside from all the bickering, i saw a news story wednesday night, where someone from the valero refinery in benicia was interviewed. he said that part of the reason was that the refinery was switching from a winter blend to a summer blend, and one of their machines was offline to be refueled with chemicals for the transition. i think the report was on KTVU...i cant find the story on the internet though.

they couldnt get an interview with chevron, but suspected the recent refinery fire (1 to 2 months ago) may have had something to do with it.

 

[xanis]

I wasn't aware that there were two different blends for summer and winter... 😕

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Ask your idiots in Sacramento to open up the coast for offshore drilling.

Uhh no... i like the beaches having no oil on them thanks. I live in Santa Barbara and we DO have some off site drilling... occasionally theres some spillage and the beaches get screwed for months/years.

So what are you going to do one day when oil becomes even more scarce and states like mine, Texas, just decide we won't ship it your way as it best suits fueling our economy?

I love the CA mindset of "not in my backyard" but then expect everyone to bend over backwards providing them with the things they don't want to produce in state and then bitch about the price. This will continue to bite you in the ass and one day it will be your undoing.

Oh 😎 please stop shipping oil to California and everywhere else.

At least then there won't be record high oil inventories like we have now.

Dave, your complete and utter stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

Tell me, Dave. What do high oil inventories have to do with outrageously high gas taxes and the high cost of special gas formulations due to oppressive environmental laws?

Nothing.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Ask your idiots in Sacramento to open up the coast for offshore drilling.

Uhh no... i like the beaches having no oil on them thanks. I live in Santa Barbara and we DO have some off site drilling... occasionally theres some spillage and the beaches get screwed for months/years.

So what are you going to do one day when oil becomes even more scarce and states like mine, Texas, just decide we won't ship it your way as it best suits fueling our economy?

I love the CA mindset of "not in my backyard" but then expect everyone to bend over backwards providing them with the things they don't want to produce in state and then bitch about the price. This will continue to bite you in the ass and one day it will be your undoing.

Oh 😎 please stop shipping oil to California and everywhere else.

At least then there won't be record high oil inventories like we have now.

Dave, your complete and utter stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

Tell me, Dave. What do high oil inventories have to do with outrageously high gas taxes and the high cost of special gas formulations due to oppressive environmental laws?

Nothing.

except the fact that those regulatory costs dont fluctuate, but the inventory costs do. if you have a batch that costs 2 bucks and your next shipment costs 3 bucks, until that 2 dollar one is gone you still have an inventory cost of 3 bucks sitting there. basic stock analysis will get you that answer. until that surplus of higher priced stock is gone, youll be paying the premium regardless of what the market has done after it came in.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Amused
Because you keep voting in leftist hippies for your state government who pass high gas taxes and the strictest environmental laws in the nation.

Arnold is a leftist hippie?

No, he's a fascist who idolizes Nazis.

 

[KK]

you notice that most of your liberal states have higher prices. Quit complaining and move to another state if you don't like it. Just don't vote for a liberal candidate after you move, or this sh1t will spread.

 

[5to1baby1in5]

Originally posted by: Xanis
I wasn't aware that there were two different blends for summer and winter... 😕

Actually, refineries themselves are run in a summer mode (gasoline) and a winter mode (fuel oil). They take more of the Gas Oil to the Cat Cracking unit in the summer --> more gasoline.

Some (most?) areas have winter fuel in which Ethanol is blended in to oxygenate the fuel. This helps reduce incompletly combusted fuel from coming out of the tail pipe and increasing Ozone levels during temperature inversions. During the summer, the additive is not used.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Ask your idiots in Sacramento to open up the coast for offshore drilling.

Uhh no... i like the beaches having no oil on them thanks. I live in Santa Barbara and we DO have some off site drilling... occasionally theres some spillage and the beaches get screwed for months/years.

So what are you going to do one day when oil becomes even more scarce and states like mine, Texas, just decide we won't ship it your way as it best suits fueling our economy?

I love the CA mindset of "not in my backyard" but then expect everyone to bend over backwards providing them with the things they don't want to produce in state and then bitch about the price. This will continue to bite you in the ass and one day it will be your undoing.

Oh 😎 please stop shipping oil to California and everywhere else.

At least then there won't be record high oil inventories like we have now.

Dave, your complete and utter stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

Tell me, Dave. What do high oil inventories have to do with outrageously high gas taxes and the high cost of special gas formulations due to oppressive environmental laws?

Nothing.

Because the price we pay is the EXPECTED price of what the oil will cost, not what was actually paid. So when inventory was low, and prices were low, they stocked up on high inventory. This caused a surged in demand, so now prices are high, and we're paying for prices that are EXPECTED to be high.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Ask your idiots in Sacramento to open up the coast for offshore drilling.

Uhh no... i like the beaches having no oil on them thanks. I live in Santa Barbara and we DO have some off site drilling... occasionally theres some spillage and the beaches get screwed for months/years.

So what are you going to do one day when oil becomes even more scarce and states like mine, Texas, just decide we won't ship it your way as it best suits fueling our economy?

I love the CA mindset of "not in my backyard" but then expect everyone to bend over backwards providing them with the things they don't want to produce in state and then bitch about the price. This will continue to bite you in the ass and one day it will be your undoing.

Oh 😎 please stop shipping oil to California and everywhere else.

At least then there won't be record high oil inventories like we have now.

Dave, your complete and utter stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

Tell me, Dave. What do high oil inventories have to do with outrageously high gas taxes and the high cost of special gas formulations due to oppressive environmental laws?

Nothing.

Because the price we pay is the EXPECTED price of what the oil will cost, not what was actually paid. So when inventory was low, and prices were low, they stocked up on high inventory. This caused a surged in demand, so now prices are high, and we're paying for prices that are EXPECTED to be high.

Um, no. That has absolutely nothing to do with the comparatively high prices in CA.

Go join Dave in the corner.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Ask your idiots in Sacramento to open up the coast for offshore drilling.

Uhh no... i like the beaches having no oil on them thanks. I live in Santa Barbara and we DO have some off site drilling... occasionally theres some spillage and the beaches get screwed for months/years.

So what are you going to do one day when oil becomes even more scarce and states like mine, Texas, just decide we won't ship it your way as it best suits fueling our economy?

I love the CA mindset of "not in my backyard" but then expect everyone to bend over backwards providing them with the things they don't want to produce in state and then bitch about the price. This will continue to bite you in the ass and one day it will be your undoing.

Oh 😎 please stop shipping oil to California and everywhere else.

At least then there won't be record high oil inventories like we have now.

Dave, your complete and utter stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

Tell me, Dave. What do high oil inventories have to do with outrageously high gas taxes and the high cost of special gas formulations due to oppressive environmental laws?

Nothing.

except the fact that those regulatory costs dont fluctuate, but the inventory costs do. if you have a batch that costs 2 bucks and your next shipment costs 3 bucks, until that 2 dollar one is gone you still have an inventory cost of 3 bucks sitting there. basic stock analysis will get you that answer. until that surplus of higher priced stock is gone, youll be paying the premium regardless of what the market has done after it came in.

Again , that has absolutely nothing to do with the comparatively high prices in CA.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Amused
Because you keep voting in leftist hippies for your state government who pass high gas taxes and the strictest environmental laws in the nation.

Arnold is a leftist hippie?

No, he's a fascist who idolizes Nazis.

Why would you say that?

 

[johnjbruin]

Simple - california demand for gasoline > demand for rest of the US. *


The above is a total gues-timate on my behalf and I have no numbers to support it 😛

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Ask your idiots in Sacramento to open up the coast for offshore drilling.

Uhh no... i like the beaches having no oil on them thanks. I live in Santa Barbara and we DO have some off site drilling... occasionally theres some spillage and the beaches get screwed for months/years.

So what are you going to do one day when oil becomes even more scarce and states like mine, Texas, just decide we won't ship it your way as it best suits fueling our economy?

I love the CA mindset of "not in my backyard" but then expect everyone to bend over backwards providing them with the things they don't want to produce in state and then bitch about the price. This will continue to bite you in the ass and one day it will be your undoing.

Oh 😎 please stop shipping oil to California and everywhere else.

At least then there won't be record high oil inventories like we have now.

Dave, your complete and utter stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

Tell me, Dave. What do high oil inventories have to do with outrageously high gas taxes and the high cost of special gas formulations due to oppressive environmental laws?

Nothing.

Because the price we pay is the EXPECTED price of what the oil will cost, not what was actually paid. So when inventory was low, and prices were low, they stocked up on high inventory. This caused a surged in demand, so now prices are high, and we're paying for prices that are EXPECTED to be high.

Um, no. That has absolutely nothing to do with the comparatively high prices in CA.

Go join Dave in the corner.

Sure it does. It just affects CA more because the demand may be more. Or are you saying they hiked gas taxes in the last couple of weeks in CA?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Ask your idiots in Sacramento to open up the coast for offshore drilling.

Uhh no... i like the beaches having no oil on them thanks. I live in Santa Barbara and we DO have some off site drilling... occasionally theres some spillage and the beaches get screwed for months/years.

So what are you going to do one day when oil becomes even more scarce and states like mine, Texas, just decide we won't ship it your way as it best suits fueling our economy?

I love the CA mindset of "not in my backyard" but then expect everyone to bend over backwards providing them with the things they don't want to produce in state and then bitch about the price. This will continue to bite you in the ass and one day it will be your undoing.

That'll never happen. CA is the 6th largest economy in the world. You cripple our state and you cripple the entire country.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Ask your idiots in Sacramento to open up the coast for offshore drilling.

Uhh no... i like the beaches having no oil on them thanks. I live in Santa Barbara and we DO have some off site drilling... occasionally theres some spillage and the beaches get screwed for months/years.

So what are you going to do one day when oil becomes even more scarce and states like mine, Texas, just decide we won't ship it your way as it best suits fueling our economy?

I love the CA mindset of "not in my backyard" but then expect everyone to bend over backwards providing them with the things they don't want to produce in state and then bitch about the price. This will continue to bite you in the ass and one day it will be your undoing.

That'll never happen. CA is the 6th largest economy in the world. You cripple our state and you cripple the entire country.

Not only does Kahleeforneeya have the 6th largest economy in the WORLD, but we are in the top 10 for states that pay more in taxes than we receive in Federal funding...meaning we help support the rest of the country...talk about welfare...MOST 9not all) of the south receives anywhere from $1.02 per dollar paid, to almost $2.00 for every dollar they pay...Maybe that is something that should be changed by Congress. NO state can receive MORE in Federal funding than they contribute...

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: Ronstang
I love the CA mindset of "not in my backyard" but then expect everyone to bend over backwards providing them with the things they don't want to produce in state and then bitch about the price. This will continue to bite you in the ass and one day it will be your undoing.

That can be applied to pretty much anything in CA.
I also love it when they come in here and say "all you people would die without us!! We have everything! We are the leet!".
I think CA is the one state that could probably disappear or fall off the coast and the whole country would not only fail to miss it, but would also be a little better for it.

I doubt it. Most of your entertainment comes from CA. As well as a huge IT industry.

Of course you doubt it. Possibly because you're one of the people who believes that movies today are actually good.
They arent. Along with TV and music.
Its slowly turned to crap over the past few years and thats partly because of the greedy, uncaring and greatly ignorant effect present in CA. Not to mention the overwhelming urge californians have to inflict those things on the rest of America.
And the IT industry is based on connecting things at range and adapting to an ever-changing environment.
It does not need to be based in california or any one particular place. Even hinting that the country will fall to its knees as the loss of CA is just plain stupid.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D
Current Gas Price Map

What the hell gives??? Look how isolated it is! The chevron across the street from my place is the cheapest here in sunnyvale, and it's at 3.16 for regular unleaded.




....sorry, I just feel like ranting about this, it shot up like .30 in the past 2 weeks.

STOP

BUYING

GAS

...if you don't like the prices



BTW, it's not rape if it's totally consentual

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: DaWhim
we should keep it like this.

Yup.

Despite the high gas prices, the traffic into San Francisco and around LA never clears up. Seems like California should be paying even more for gas.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Ask your idiots in Sacramento to open up the coast for offshore drilling.

Uhh no... i like the beaches having no oil on them thanks. I live in Santa Barbara and we DO have some off site drilling... occasionally theres some spillage and the beaches get screwed for months/years.

So what are you going to do one day when oil becomes even more scarce and states like mine, Texas, just decide we won't ship it your way as it best suits fueling our economy?

I love the CA mindset of "not in my backyard" but then expect everyone to bend over backwards providing them with the things they don't want to produce in state and then bitch about the price. This will continue to bite you in the ass and one day it will be your undoing.

Ha

"Bend over backwards?"

You say that as if Texas is doing California a favor by exchanging gas for money.

Did the guy who sold me a bagel this morning "bend over backwards" because he liked me? Maybe, because I have been working out, but I'm pretty sure he just wanted my 75 cents

 

[iversonyin]

Cost of transporting oil + gas from Texas refiners to California. + population density (demand).

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/twip/twip_gasoline.html#production

Most of the gasoline still come from the gulf coast. The website has load of info. I suggest you guys take a peek at it before making uneducated comments.