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Why are people so insistant on 9/11 conspiracies?
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bunnyfubbles
Lifer
this just in, the moon landing was faked!
You should seriously consider some psychological treatment for that borderline paranoid-schizophrenic condition of yours.
This whole thread is just simply hilarious for its idiocy, but it is also very sad to see so many people with such gullible personalities wanting to believe the most extreme ideas rather than accepting the truth.
Its almost as if the truth is too hard to understand and instead want it to be something else. We must accept that which we do not like.
Perhaps what is really frightening is that this is exactly the kind of result terrorists want; you questioning the truth and not accepting reality. Beyond the extreme terror caused by the WTC destruction, is the fear and mistrust spreading among people that their own government committed this act. Terrorists love the idea of watching this fear and suspicion slowly tear apart a country and they watch with delight that America will someday collapse from within.
Americans need to be stronger than that. Stand up to terrorism and show the world you will not succumb to the lowest common denominator.
BrokenVisage
Lifer
Wow you're right! You disproved almost all of them just by saying so!
Stick with running a pics website and leave the investigative work to the big boys, kthx!
shortylickens
No Lifer
This might sound silly, but I really wish JLGatsby were here.
His posts would have this discussion on a whole new level of hate anger.
His posts would have this discussion on a whole new level of hate anger.
eits
Lifer
the only name i recognize in your list is brokenvisage.
it doesn't even matter because you're too afraid to think critically. the crash at the pentagon never happened.... why should we trust anything else this administration tells us about 9/11 if they tell us a plane crashed into the pentagon when there was no plane?
it doesn't even matter because you're too afraid to think critically. the crash at the pentagon never happened.... why should we trust anything else this administration tells us about 9/11 if they tell us a plane crashed into the pentagon when there was no plane?
Explain how there was no plane to all of these people families:
http://sep11.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_flight_77
noto12ious
Golden Member
In other words, you still can't explain or refute the video evidence I presented. It should be easy to debunk Norman Mineta's testimony, which destroys the official government timeline, right? I guess not, since nobody has been able to yet. Cover-up.
Stand up to terrorists? How about standing up to criminals who covered up 9/11? How about prosecuting those who were running 9/11 Wargames that stifled our AirForce pilots and confused them so they could not intercept any of the hijacked airliners? How about investigating the Pakistan official who wire transfered $100,000 to Atta, who just so happened to be meeting with top Washington brass the morning of 9/11?
noto12ious
Golden Member
The only person who got owned in that thread was you.
You disappeared from the thread after you couldn't come up with any official report supporting your ridiculous claims.
Proletariat
Diamond Member
LOL that pretty much sums everything
BrokenVisage
Lifer
There's a world outside of ATOT, you know. Do you speak for everyone else now? I didn't know we had a Borg collective with you as our leader. Stop just trying to flame and insult people and just end yourself. "Grow up."
Number1
Diamond Member
I read the news on websites such as MSNBC, BBC, CNN, The Globe and Mail, The national Post, CBC, Canoe, etc. Those are credible news organizations from all over the world. There are no reports of the need for a any new 911 investigation. Period. That speaks volume about the validity of your evidence.
I'm not taking any sides here, and I tend not to pay much attention to conspiracy theories, but there are many reasons to think that a lot of shady things go on. There are a very small group of people that control most of the USA, and the entire world. People are greedy and extremely protective of their power and control. There are a lot of things that people will do to protect their money, their influence, their status and their way of life so it's not unreasonable to think that these people will try to decieve people about the cause of war or terrorism, or any other number of things.
There is a lot of information that is kept secret, or hidden from people because "we don't need to see it" or "it would cause undue panic" or "it's a security risk", and I think that this hoarding of information is the primary source of of all the conspiracy theories.
I'm sure there is a lot of incredibly valuable information about 9/11 that has not been given to us, and I think that's incredibly unfortunate because there are things that I'm sure we could use to help prevent future events like these. Let the people decide what information is important and relevent.
I don't like to think that 9/11 was fabricated by us, because I think you would have to be an incredibly horrible person to do something like that. I won't discount the possibility though because there are reasons why they could have wanted to do it.
Hopefully, in time, the truth will come to light and there will be no more doubt and uncertainty.
There is a lot of information that is kept secret, or hidden from people because "we don't need to see it" or "it would cause undue panic" or "it's a security risk", and I think that this hoarding of information is the primary source of of all the conspiracy theories.
I'm sure there is a lot of incredibly valuable information about 9/11 that has not been given to us, and I think that's incredibly unfortunate because there are things that I'm sure we could use to help prevent future events like these. Let the people decide what information is important and relevent.
I don't like to think that 9/11 was fabricated by us, because I think you would have to be an incredibly horrible person to do something like that. I won't discount the possibility though because there are reasons why they could have wanted to do it.
Hopefully, in time, the truth will come to light and there will be no more doubt and uncertainty.
noto12ious
Golden Member
Which of those websites you mentioned above have addressed these very simple issues?
Huge pre collapse explosions caught on audio...with smoke rising from the ground before collapse (Nobody has dared to debunk the audio of HUGE pre collapse explosions, or video of smoke rising from the streets seconds before the collapse begins from the top):
http://www.911blogger.com/files/video/911eyewitness_wtc1.wmv
Cheney was monitoring flight 77 (contrary to all government reports), and Mineta's testimony was omitted from all official records:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y&search=mineta
The official timeline has Cheney entering the bunker at 10 AM, however, Mineta's testimony (given under oath) places Cheney at the bunker at 9:20. The Pentagon, Capitol Hill, etc were NOT evacuated until AFTER the Pentagon was struck. Cheney's in trouble. The "orders" were never clarified by the 9/11 Commission. Why did the government intentionally manipulate the official timeline? Cover-up.
Well? We could go on and on as to what the mainstream media is too scared to cover. Which mainstream media network has covered the 4 different 9/11 Wargames that stifled our Airforce pilots + NORAD...thus allowing 3 hijacked airliners to hit their intended targets? Which mainstream media network has covered the fact that Atta received $100,000 from a Pakistani official who was meeting with top Washington brass the morning on 9/11? Which mainstream media network has investigated why the Pakistan government bribed the 9/11 Commission? Which mainstream media network has investigated why all New York Fire Department and New York Police Department personnel are currently under an unofficial Federal Gag Order to shut up about the huge explosions they heard on 9/11? Which mainstream media network has investigated why the debris from WTC towers were intentionally destroyed without a proper investigation, and against the calls of many fire + structural engineers to preserve the debris? Which mainstream media network has actually tried to "connect the dots" into 9/11, the Patriot Act, the Anthrax attacks which led straight back to the United States military, the Iraq War, and the ballooning of the drug / opium trade in Afghanistan? Well? Which major media networks have reported / investigated how Robert Bowman, Paul Craig Roberts, Morgan Reynolds, Michael Meacher, Andreas Von Bülow, former U.S. Air Force personnel have all questioned official version of the events of 9/11? What about Presidential Order W199i and the Able Danger cover-up? Well? Go point it out.
bluestrobe
Platinum Member
I love how people back up the conspiracy theory by linking to conspiracy websites that are running on theories alone themselves. A tripod shaking on a camera is little to nothing in proof of anything. Where did the video come from? Who created it? Was it edited before it popped on every conspiracy website? Why have numerous building engineers agreed on the collapses? Also might want to note that a building doesn't need to be imploded to collapse. A million+ ton building (or two) falling across the street would weaken any structure where it could fall. I watched the news heavily for the original attack and the days afterwards and never thought it was a cover-up or conspiracy.
Too many paranoid people out there who want to undermine the current administration by any means possible, including 9/11. Nothing is going to change until election time so move on already.
Too many paranoid people out there who want to undermine the current administration by any means possible, including 9/11. Nothing is going to change until election time so move on already.
FallenHero
Diamond Member
I think you missed his point.
So you didn't even take the time to read my post, or any links related to it? Really sad, evidenced in the fact that you fall back on the argument of asking for concrete evidence contradicting the videos you posted. What that says to me, and everyone else, is that you have no argument but the same 3 videos you are posting. Had you read my thread you would see that I am posting links from the very same sites you quote ALL of your data/reseach/facts from. Please provide further information that isn't presented by the same group of 5 people.
You are nitpicking details but totally failing to recognize the incredibly limited data set and professionals involved. As I said, the conspiracy theorists are presenting you with a complete circle jerk of information that exists merely on a handful of sources that only quote and reference the same limited dataset of thoes involved. I understand you find that hard to belive, but understand that one eyewitness account and various links from the same 5 websites prove nothing but a small group of people trying as hard as they can to prove a conspiracy theory.
This "universally esteemed scholar" David Ray Griffin is the founder of 911truth.org and hasn't doin anything noteworthysince his book called "Process Theology: An Introductory Exposition" in 1976. He is a scholar of theology, and not a scholar of physics, politics, or uctural engineering. He is a professor of theology, who released approximatley 30 works dealing with his profession and two dealing with the events of 9/11 (nearly 30 years after any of his other published works of his expertise).
Wiki link showing his limited works and various affiliations (all of which are covered in my "circle jerk" of citations).
Yes the handful of eyewitness accounts by laymen really provide an accurate and objective professional view of the events that unfolded during the attacks on the WTC (which a few of your sources say didn't even happen, meaning no planes were ever involved).
I find it ironic that this profound scholar (in theology) isn't mentioned in any 911 conspiracy sites except the one he helped found.
Do you have anything but a personal attack to add to the discussion? Never was my perceived vast superiory ever implied in any of my posts.
It's obvious you have nothing to add except the same small group of sites, essays and books written on the subject, that constantly reference each other. I understand you get easily offended when people don't believe your conspiracy bs, but do you really have to resort to some bottom-feeder personal attack on my persona?
Do you have anything of substance to add to this thread? Or are you just going to continue your mindless rants, personal attacks, and complete lack of any verified scientific information to this thread? Let me guess, everything is a conspiracy! Planes never hit the WTC and Osama doesn't exist? Please go post your mindless drivel elsewhere, like 911truth.org, or 911research.wtc.net or 911blogger.net or 911proof.net or plaguepuppy.org or youtube.com (*laugh), because I'm sure you will fit right in with thoes "scholarly" individuals.
Here is something to refute your sensationalitic videos.
Seeing as how all of the videos you have posted have no cited scientific basis, and no scientific citations whatsoever, why should I be the one who has to come up with proof your videos are completely false? You are the one making the assertation, you should be the one to defend it. Since you are posting the same small group of sites and "scholarly professionals" in your posts. I find no reason but to say your videos and references (from the same sites) are a metaphorical "circle jerk" of references with an extremely limited data set. For every eyewitness account that says there was a "bomb going off in the WTC", there will bet 10,000 accounts that don't agree. Though I'm sure thoes thousands and thousands of people were all paid off and involved in this massive conspiracy.
Yes, my presentation of numerous published articles (from the same sources he posted) and various other bits of information are posted just to get a rise out of "noto12ious". If I wanted to get a rise out of someone I would just post BS personal attacks like brokenvisage does while I don't bother to read the entire posts of anyone else (which you and noto12ious are clearly doing). I know how to get a rise out of people, and in this thread I am sure as hell not doing that. Since you completely fail to read any of the posts in this thread you wouldn't have a clue.
You say that you can't bring "us" to "some new understanding", while at the same time totally ignoring any information posted by anyone else. I find it ironic that you claim so many of us can't come to "some new understanding" but you ignore any posts made by us.
So then you post a short editorial by the actor Dennis Weaver (which was ripped word for word from dennisweaver.com), as if that has any bearing on politics, science or engineering. It focuses on the bigger picture of the western society and has very little to do with any direct events of 9/11 WTC. I guess only left wing nutty conspiracy theorists would resort to the rantings of a washed up actor come "activist" in order to "prove" some sort of point. He references Orwells "1984" just like every other idealistic elitest has. Does he have anything more to offer than a broad sweeping idealistic view of western culture, or is that just the typical drivel come to be expected from hollywood fodder turned activist? This mans opinion is as valid as anyone else's on this forum. He represents another hollywood "activist" so far removed from reality that his ideals get the better of his judgement. His best "socio-political-economic" achievement was founding the "Institute of Ecolonomics".
Listen, I think as critically on this issue as most other people. Except that I entertain the fact that there is very solid possibility this entire 9/11 ordeal ACTUALLY HAPPENED and it wasn't all made up and planned by the "powers that be". Where as you completely dismiss the possibility of it actually happening. I can somewhat believe that this entire terrorist attack and "threat" could possibly be the work of a vast elitest government/corporate conspiracy. Though I find the idea that it was all 100% planned to be very outlandish. The military actions taken in the middle east have been planned and in some part executed long before George W. Bush came into office or 9/11 happened. Fact is that you just didn't get massive media coverage of anything that happened nor did you get high profile investigations into his preplanned strategies. The only reason you have any idea about these current 9/11 events is because of the massive media coverage from both sides of the coin. Without that angle you would have nothing to say (not that you do posting the same repetitive links).
Is some sort of "conspiracy" out of the question? Possibly not. Though not anywhere near the scale on which you are dealing with. So keep on thinking that the government is out to get you, America is the most evil country on the planet and George W. Bush and his buddies are a conglomerate of Satan Inc. This defeatist attitude and complete disdain for the country in which you live is borderline offensive to the rest of the people who call his place home. It seems that you guys think that every place on the planet is better than America, which is truly sad. I guess that everything from walmart to oil companies are in on some huge conspiracy theory.
PS: If this post is too much to read then just pass it over or skim it, because it may be too much for you to take in during one sitting.
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