Why are people so insistant on 9/11 conspiracies?

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: SampSon

Until someone is able to debunk it Then again...it's been around for almost a year...and nobody has done so yet.

Here's the full video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911+eyewitness

Debunk what? A sensationalistic video on the internet with no scientific backing or cited scientific refences? Any scientist or researcher worth their salt would attach their name to such a "study" and then cite the professoinal references used to analyze the data presented. But they don't, which is why is a typical pos sensationalistic internet video.
Whatever you say champ. I guess I can go make a video with the level meter from soundforge and claim that the sounds were floors of the towers collapsing and call it "fact".

It's cute how you will believe anything you see on the internet.

The fact that there were huge pre collapse explosions seconds (and minutes) before the towers came down? It's no coincidence you won't find any government report acknowledging that any of these explosions took place...contrary to video, audio, and numerous eyewitness statements of explosions presented to the 911 Commission.

Here's more:
William Rodriguez
http://www.911proof.com/resources/innrodriguesisdnsept05snow.wmv
Explosion in the basement levels BEFORE the planes struck. William Rodriguez was the last person pulled from the rubble of the North Tower, and is national hero + international celebrity for his rescue efforts that day. He has also met with President Bush (Google William Rodriguez 9/11). He testified to the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors, but his accounts of basement explosions were ignored and intentionally omitted from the 9/11 Commission Report.

500 tons of building colapsing. you bet its going to be noisy. Think about it.

Except the explosions occurred before the buildings started collapsing 🙂

Right, we're just supposed to blindly believe eyewitness testimony, which tends to be the most unreliable.

You're really behind the times. Numerous pre collapse explosions did occur before the towers came down. That's not even debatable. So, why hasn't the government admitted a single of those huge pre collapse explosions took place? Why cover it up if they have nothing to hide?

Major news networks reported pre collapse explosions:
http://www.mypetgoat.tv/video/Bomb_Montage.WMV

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/vide...floor26th_firefighter_high_quality.wmv

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: SampSon

Until someone is able to debunk it Then again...it's been around for almost a year...and nobody has done so yet.

Here's the full video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911+eyewitness

Debunk what? A sensationalistic video on the internet with no scientific backing or cited scientific refences? Any scientist or researcher worth their salt would attach their name to such a "study" and then cite the professoinal references used to analyze the data presented. But they don't, which is why is a typical pos sensationalistic internet video.
Whatever you say champ. I guess I can go make a video with the level meter from soundforge and claim that the sounds were floors of the towers collapsing and call it "fact".

It's cute how you will believe anything you see on the internet.

The fact that there were huge pre collapse explosions seconds (and minutes) before the towers came down? It's no coincidence you won't find any government report acknowledging that any of these explosions took place...contrary to video, audio, and numerous eyewitness statements of explosions presented to the 911 Commission.

Here's more:
William Rodriguez
http://www.911proof.com/resources/innrodriguesisdnsept05snow.wmv
Explosion in the basement levels BEFORE the planes struck. William Rodriguez was the last person pulled from the rubble of the North Tower, and is national hero + international celebrity for his rescue efforts that day. He has also met with President Bush (Google William Rodriguez 9/11). He testified to the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors, but his accounts of basement explosions were ignored and intentionally omitted from the 9/11 Commission Report.

500 tons of building colapsing. you bet its going to be noisy. Think about it.

Except the explosions occurred before the buildings started collapsing 🙂

And if you don't want to believe the fire fighters who agree with hearing the explosions, then try these Coumbia Univerisity seismographic records on for size:

The seismic record from Columbia University?s observatory in Palisades, NY (21 miles away) provides indisputable proof that massive explosions brought down those towers. At the precise moment the South Tower began collapsing, a 2.1 earthquake registered on the seismograph. At the precise moment the North Tower began collapsing, a 2.3 earthquake registered; however, as the buildings started to crumble these waves disappeared. The two ?spikes?on the seismograph, which both occurred at the exact instants the collapses began, are twenty times the amplitude, or more than 100 times the force of the other waves. If the buildings had simply collapsed, the largest jolts would have occurred when the massive debris struck the earth, not at the beginnings of the collapses. Seismologist Arthur Lerner-Lam of Columbia University stated, ?Only a small fraction of the energy from the collapsing towers was converted into ground motion. The ground shaking that resulted from the collapse of the towers was extremely small.? In other words, the collapsing did not cause 2.1 and 2.3 magnitude earthquakes. Furthermore, a ?sharp spike of short duration? is how underground nuclear explosions register on seismographs. Underground explosions, where the steel columns meet Manhattans granite would account for both the demolition-style implosions and these ?spikes? on the seismograph. Another seismologist at the Palisades observatory, Won Young Kim said the 1993 truck bomb did not even register on their seismographs because the explosion was ?not coupled? to the ground. Imagine the magnitude of explosions it would take to register the two earthquakes, when the truck bomb didn?t even show up.

 

[Brainonska511]

Seismic Record Myth

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Legend
I don't believe in the conspiracies, but at a first glance, the way that WTC7 and the two towers fell seems to negate fundamental ideas of science.

For example, all 3 buildings fell at free fall speed. What that means is that if you were to jump off the roof at the same time it started falling, you would have landed the same time as the roof. That means there was nearly no resistance to the fall, meaning that all supporting members likely failed at the same time. The reports say that the building fell in a pancake fashion, but that is incorrect because that would provided resistance and the building would have fallen much more slowly.

What's really unusual is that WTC7 fell at free fall and uniformly supposedly because there were fires. It wasn't hit by a plane. Yet, all structural support failed uniformly and it fell at free fall evenly. Very hard to explain.

That part is pretty odd. Assuming the info about them falling at free fall speed is correct

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: noto12ious
http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/vide...floor26th_firefighter_high_quality.wmv

every once in a while I look at one of these pieces of "evidence" you produce and I don't see it proving a single thing.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Legend
I don't believe in the conspiracies, but at a first glance, the way that WTC7 and the two towers fell seems to negate fundamental ideas of science.

For example, all 3 buildings fell at free fall speed. What that means is that if you were to jump off the roof at the same time it started falling, you would have landed the same time as the roof. That means there was nearly no resistance to the fall, meaning that all supporting members likely failed at the same time. The reports say that the building fell in a pancake fashion, but that is incorrect because that would provided resistance and the building would have fallen much more slowly.

What's really unusual is that WTC7 fell at free fall and uniformly supposedly because there were fires. It wasn't hit by a plane. Yet, all structural support failed uniformly and it fell at free fall evenly. Very hard to explain.

That part is pretty odd. Assuming the info about them falling at free fall speed is correct

The Towers did not fall at free fall speed.

 

[0roo0roo]

its funny he thinks the democrats must be paid off too in order for them not to be screaming and yelling about his "evidence". controlled demolitions requires that thousands of holes be drilled in thosuands of locations in a building and filled with thousands of pounds of explosives. sorry, thats just unlikely. and it doesn't create just a "little" smoke. it creates a huge caboom. and it would have been visible clearly on mutiple floors as it would have been required placement on the unique outer load bearing structure of the wtc.

just more ramblings..and sad fantasies from notorious. he just doens't know when to stop.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: noto12ious
http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/vide...floor26th_firefighter_high_quality.wmv

every once in a while I look at one of these pieces of "evidence" you produce and I don't see it proving a single thing.

The fact that wind went UP the stairs? The fact that the building shook? (not due to a plane)

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: noto12ious
http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/vide...floor26th_firefighter_high_quality.wmv

every once in a while I look at one of these pieces of "evidence" you produce and I don't see it proving a single thing.

The fact that wind went UP the stairs? The fact that the building shook? (not due to a plane)

I've watched enough of this bs. Just go back to wearing your tinfoil hat.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Legend
I don't believe in the conspiracies, but at a first glance, the way that WTC7 and the two towers fell seems to negate fundamental ideas of science.

For example, all 3 buildings fell at free fall speed. What that means is that if you were to jump off the roof at the same time it started falling, you would have landed the same time as the roof. That means there was nearly no resistance to the fall, meaning that all supporting members likely failed at the same time. The reports say that the building fell in a pancake fashion, but that is incorrect because that would provided resistance and the building would have fallen much more slowly.

What's really unusual is that WTC7 fell at free fall and uniformly supposedly because there were fires. It wasn't hit by a plane. Yet, all structural support failed uniformly and it fell at free fall evenly. Very hard to explain.

That part is pretty odd. Assuming the info about them falling at free fall speed is correct

Check out WTC7's collapse:

911 Eyewitness video , time frame 1:05:00 ? 1:07:50. Notice the pre collapse explosions.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911+eyewitness

A closer view of WTC7 (Notice the building kinks inwards...and the central core columns are destroyed):
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/video%20archive/wtc-7_collapse.mpa

 

[WildHorse]

noto12ious

The other posters above are "misunderstanding" you on purpose, to keep you in play, to amuse themselves.

Suggest you stand down, relax.

It's not like you'll bring them to some new understanding.

And it's not a discussion of ideas that consider facts.

They're just repeatedly baiting you to get a rise out of you. They keep trying to derail it with irrelevancies, like ufo's, moon landing. They're playing with you.

My intent with this post is to help you.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: scott

That is the value of your posts.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: noto12ious
http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/vide...floor26th_firefighter_high_quality.wmv

every once in a while I look at one of these pieces of "evidence" you produce and I don't see it proving a single thing.

The fact that wind went UP the stairs? The fact that the building shook? (not due to a plane)

I've watched enough of this bs. Just go back to wearing your tinfoil hat.

Haha. Yeah you don't have anything else to say except "tinfoil hat" remarks. Funny how that clip alone destroys the official story.

 

[0roo0roo]

well notorious is a prime example of how someone can read and assimilate large amounts of misinformation and become completely immune to reason. its a bit like the brainwashing that creates suicide bombers🙁 and people that fly planes into buildings full of people. as for tin foil. just calling a spade a spade. you are clearly set on believing your conspiracy. its your religion

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: noto12ious
http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/vide...floor26th_firefighter_high_quality.wmv

every once in a while I look at one of these pieces of "evidence" you produce and I don't see it proving a single thing.

The fact that wind went UP the stairs? The fact that the building shook? (not due to a plane)

I've watched enough of this bs. Just go back to wearing your tinfoil hat.

Haha. Yeah you don't have anything else to say except "tinfoil hat" remarks. Funny how that clip alone destroys the official story.

Yes, because your clip comes from such great, accredited sources.

BTW, wind going up stairs could be explained by the lower air pressure towards the top of the building pulling the higher pressure ground air up.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well notorious is a prime example of how someone can read and assimilate large amounts of misinformation and become completely immune to reason. its a bit like the brainwashing that creates suicide bombers🙁 and people that fly planes into buildings full of people. as for tin foil. just calling a spade a spade. you are clearly set on believing your conspiracy. its your religion

misinformation would be the 911 Omission Report. I'll believe my country's firefighters (who have gone on record stating they felt and heard huge pre collapse explosions), thanks.

What's that? My country's firefighters also witnessed demolition type flashes seconds before the buildings came down?


Fire Fighter Captain Karin Deshore, Battalion 46:

"Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, both going up and down and then all around the building.

I went inside and I told everybody that the other building or there was an explosion occurring up there and I said I think we have another major explosion...

So here these explosions are getting bigger and louder and bigger and louder and I told everybody if this building totally explodes, still unaware that the other tower had collapsed, I'm going in the water."

source: http://www.sfgate.com/gate/pictures/2005/09/10/ga_karin_deshore.pdf

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Yes, because your clip comes from such great, accredited sources.

BTW, wind going up stairs could be explained by the lower air pressure towards the top of the building pulling the higher pressure ground air up.

Are you saying our firefighters are liars?

Wind going up the stairs occurred after they heard the loud noise...then they fell one floor downwards. That was certainly due to "air pressure" :roll: Not to mention..the entire building then shook.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Yes, because your clip comes from such great, accredited sources.

BTW, wind going up stairs could be explained by the lower air pressure towards the top of the building pulling the higher pressure ground air up.

Are you saying our firefighters are liars?

Wind going up the stairs occurred after they heard the loud noise...then they fell one floor downwards. That was certainly due to "air pressure" :roll: Not to mention..the entire building then shook.

No, but eyewitness testimony, no matter who it is from, tends to be an unreliable source of information.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: noto12ious
http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/vide...floor26th_firefighter_high_quality.wmv

every once in a while I look at one of these pieces of "evidence" you produce and I don't see it proving a single thing.

The fact that wind went UP the stairs? The fact that the building shook? (not due to a plane)

I've watched enough of this bs. Just go back to wearing your tinfoil hat.

Haha. Yeah you don't have anything else to say except "tinfoil hat" remarks. Funny how that clip alone destroys the official story.

Yes, because your clip comes from such great, accredited sources.

BTW, wind going up stairs could be explained by the lower air pressure towards the top of the building pulling the higher pressure ground air up.

lol yea.

completely destroys the official story? bwahaha i guess we are paying off not only the democrats but basically every other nation on earth then😛 sorry, our enemies would so love to discredit us..and they have real scientists to do it, not some loser typing away in his basement to boot.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: scott
noto12ious

The other posters above are "misunderstanding" you on purpose, to keep you in play, to amuse themselves.

Suggest you stand down, relax.

It's not like you'll bring them to some new understanding.

And it's not a discussion of ideas that consider facts.

They're just repeatedly baiting you to get a rise out of you. They keep trying to derail it with irrelevancies, like ufo's, moon landing. They're playing with you.

My intent with this post is to help you.

No worries. I enjoy pointing out the facts. Literally, I'm smiling and laughing it up...because they can't refute the evidence presented. The 9/11 Commission had access to all of this information, and they chose to intentionally ignore and omit our fire fighter's testimonies out of the official report. :thumbsdown:

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Yes, because your clip comes from such great, accredited sources.

BTW, wind going up stairs could be explained by the lower air pressure towards the top of the building pulling the higher pressure ground air up.

Are you saying our firefighters are liars?

Wind going up the stairs occurred after they heard the loud noise...then they fell one floor downwards. That was certainly due to "air pressure" :roll: Not to mention..the entire building then shook.

No, but eyewitness testimony, no matter who it is from, tends to be an unreliable source of information.

Except you have corroboration among many sources =)

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well notorious is a prime example of how someone can read and assimilate large amounts of misinformation and become completely immune to reason. its a bit like the brainwashing that creates suicide bombers🙁 and people that fly planes into buildings full of people. as for tin foil. just calling a spade a spade. you are clearly set on believing your conspiracy. its your religion

misinformation would be the 911 Omission Report. I'll believe my country's firefighters (who have gone on record stating they felt and heard huge pre collapse explosions), thanks.

What's that? My country's firefighters also witnessed demolition type flashes seconds before the buildings came down?


Fire Fighter Captain Karin Deshore, Battalion 46:

"Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, both going up and down and then all around the building.

I went inside and I told everybody that the other building or there was an explosion occurring up there and I said I think we have another major explosion...

So here these explosions are getting bigger and louder and bigger and louder and I told everybody if this building totally explodes, still unaware that the other tower had collapsed, I'm going in the water."

source: http://www.sfgate.com/gate/pictures/2005/09/10/ga_karin_deshore.pdf

2 more witnesses:

Stephen Gregory of the Bureau of Communications:

"I know I was with an officer from Ladder 146, a Lieutenant Evangelista, who ultimately called me up a couple of days later just to find out how I was. We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-leve] flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down."

"No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me. He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did yc.u see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too.

I don't know if that means anything. I mean, I equate it to the building cowing down and pushing things down, it could have been electrical explosions, it could have been whatever. But it's just strange that two people sort of say the same thing and neither one of us talked to each other about it. I mean, I don't know this guy from a hole in the wall. I was just standing next to him. i never met the man before in my lite. He knew who was I guess by my name on my coat and he called me up, you know, how are you doing? How's everything? And, oh, by the way did you... It was just a little strange"

source: http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/ny...050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Gregory_Stephen.txt

 

[db]

No way am I going to read 141 posts so I can enter this thread.

People have their "team", just like in sports or high school or college, "rah rah rah my team is the best, the only true one"!
So people will believe what they already believe, and make everything else that comes after that fit into their pre-existing beliefs.
You can argue all you want, people hold tenaciously to their pre-existing beliefs, no matter what.
Belief is stronger than reality.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Yes, because your clip comes from such great, accredited sources.

BTW, wind going up stairs could be explained by the lower air pressure towards the top of the building pulling the higher pressure ground air up.

Are you saying our firefighters are liars?

Wind going up the stairs occurred after they heard the loud noise...then they fell one floor downwards. That was certainly due to "air pressure" :roll: Not to mention..the entire building then shook.

No, but eyewitness testimony, no matter who it is from, tends to be an unreliable source of information.

yup. its about as good as a creationist saying he's not a monkey's cousin so evolution must be wrong. just look at me after all😛 its not that simple. but for those with limited knowledge its an arguement. thats just the way it works.

and i guess notorious must be against the war in iraq then. i guess he's against our troops going by his firefighter logic.

simple fact is you dont explode a building like the wtc from the bottom. to have controlled demolitions of such a building you have to blow up support structures on most of the floors, taking massive amounts of explosives/time/manpower/wiring and just plain goddamned balls. its just at a point where it becomes such an absurd task you have to be nuts to believe it.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Yes, because your clip comes from such great, accredited sources.

BTW, wind going up stairs could be explained by the lower air pressure towards the top of the building pulling the higher pressure ground air up.

Are you saying our firefighters are liars?

Wind going up the stairs occurred after they heard the loud noise...then they fell one floor downwards. That was certainly due to "air pressure" :roll: Not to mention..the entire building then shook.

No, but eyewitness testimony, no matter who it is from, tends to be an unreliable source of information.

Except you have corroboration among many sources =)

Blind: unable or unwilling to perceive or understand. That pretty well some up you and the other conspiracy theorist in this tread. I think there was sufficient information posted here to expose you for what you are. Gullible paranoid individual with to much time on your hands