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Why are people so insistant on 9/11 conspiracies?

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Originally posted by: DaiShan
Why is the current administration so insistant on WMD conspiracies?

Well, the general public didn't buy those, now did they?

If the government can't even pass off a believable WMD conspiracy, where all the evidence for or against is hidden in a country halfway across the world, then how could they do such an incredible job on one that occurred in downtown Manhattan? Do you know how many people, how much work, how much SECRECY would be necessary?

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I knew a guy who made an interesting observation about conspiracy theorists...

The people who have all the really good, inside, top-secret information always seem to live in either a trailer park or their parent's basement. Joe Blow Stockbroker from the 'burbs never uncovers this info.

😀

That's the beauty of it...the government releases all their top-secret info to those guys, because they know that no one will believe it!🙂
 
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: DaiShan
Why is the current administration so insistant on WMD conspiracies?

Well, the general public didn't buy those, now did they?

If the government can't even pass off a believable WMD conspiracy, where all the evidence for or against is hidden in a country halfway across the world, then how could they do such an incredible job on one that occurred in downtown Manhattan? Do you know how many people, how much work, how much SECRECY would be necessary?

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I knew a guy who made an interesting observation about conspiracy theorists...

The people who have all the really good, inside, top-secret information always seem to live in either a trailer park or their parent's basement. Joe Blow Stockbroker from the 'burbs never uncovers this info.

😀

That's the beauty of it...the government releases all their top-secret info to those guys, because they know that no one will believe it!🙂

Good point on both comments.
 
The question is, why do people adopt and internalize whatever story is told by authority figures, and toss put-down comments at anyone exercising critical thought?

The thing is,

a) voluminous credible evidence exists that the official story is untrue, not shouted by feeble minded cranks, but given by eyewitnesses, and by prominent, critical-thinking experts. For example, lots of firefighters and rescue people testified they actually saw bombs detonating at WTC (flashes). Another example, it's patently obvious no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon. You must already know lots of other examples.

b) It's a fact there have existed false-flag plans to incite the lethargic public to war by self-inflicting damage onto our country, e.g.; Operation Northwoods. Reasonable minds wonder if 911 may have been the actualization of some zealot plan like that. Maybe yes or no, but it's a fair question.

c) It's a fact that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld were founding members of, and committed to, Project for the New American Century, which openly advocated use of military force to establish what they call 'Pax Americana' to dominate the entire earth. PNAC openly discussed their desire for a "new Pearl Harbor" event to convince Americans to go to the war which PNAC advocated.

It's understandable why our moderators are forced to lock threads attempting to discuss this, because mods have to make sure posters don't just shout at each other from closed-minded dug-in emotional postures. Seems like folks tend to get that way on this topic. Several posts above are perfect examples of this.

Unfortunately for the rest of us, that shuts down valid, even-minded, rational discussion about the questionable official story.

?There was just an explosion [in the south tower]. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.?--Firefighter Richard Banaciski

?I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building??--Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory

?It was [like a] professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'."--Paramedic Daniel Rivera

Russ Wittenberg, who flew large commercial airliners for 35 years after serving in Vietnam as a fighter pilot, says that it would have been "totally impossible for an amateur who couldn't even fly a Cessna to maneuver the jetliner in such a highly professional manner."

Please read this transcript, directly on point of your OP question: Text

And this one too: Text
 
Originally posted by: scott
The question is, why do people adopt and internalize whatever story is told by authority figures, and toss put-down comments at anyone exercising critical thought?

The thing is,

a) voluminous credible evidence exists that the official story is untrue, not shouted by feeble minded cranks, but given by eyewitnesses, and by prominent, critical-thinking experts. For example, lots of firefighters and rescue people testified they actually saw bombs detonating at WTC (flashes). Another example, it's patently obvious no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon. You must already know lots of other examples.

If we "adopted and internalized" whatever story the gov't told us, how come almost NO ONE believes we should have gone to war in Iraq (or, failing that, that we should still be in Iraq), and NO ONE buys the WMD story, and so many people hate the Patriot Act, and there's so much resistance to No Child Left Behind, and so much criticism for the Katrina response, etc, etc? Did the government intend these things, too, as part of the conspiracy?
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I knew a guy who made an interesting observation about conspiracy theorists...

The people who have all the really good, inside, top-secret information always seem to live in either a trailer park or their parent's basement. Joe Blow Stockbroker from the 'burbs never uncovers this info.

like the exterminator guy on king of the hill, Dale
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I knew a guy who made an interesting observation about conspiracy theorists...

The people who have all the really good, inside, top-secret information always seem to live in either a trailer park or their parent's basement. Joe Blow Stockbroker from the 'burbs never uncovers this info.

😀

Your comment sets up a phony straw man, the archetypical cranky crazy kook. That's baseless in the context of the discussion we're trying to hold.

It will be appreciated if you will please redirect your attention to judiciously considering testimony of firefighters, paramedics, and ex-military officers who were eyewitnesses at WTC and the Pentagon, plus many professionals highly-esteemed in their fields, such as physicists, chemists, pilots, etc.

For example, the firefighters who went inside the 16 foot dia Pentagon hole immediately after the event say no airplane was there. Or, for example, firefighters at WTC say they actually saw bombs detonating. Etc.

 
Originally posted by: scott


For example, the firefighters who went inside the 16 foot dia Pentagon hole immediately after the event say no airplane was there. Or, for example, firefighters at WTC say they actually saw bombs detonating. Etc.


You're yet another looney crank. There is no reasoning with you.
 
Haha. Look at all the government apologists. The following two video clips absolutely destroy the official 9/11 government story:

Huge pre collapse explosions caught on audio...with smoke rising from the ground before collapse:
http://www.911blogger.com/files/video/911eyewitness_wtc1.wmv

Cheney was monitoring flight 77, and Mineta's testimony was omitted from all official records:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y&search=mineta

The official timeline has Cheney entering the bunker at 10 AM, however, Mineta's testimony (given under oath) places Cheney at the bunker at 9:20. Owned.
 
Originally posted by: scott
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott


A bunch of bulshitt

Your a joke and so is your so called info.

Number1

I never posted the above.

All please know that Number1 is falsly attributing that to me!!!

Whether you actually posted it or not doesn't change the fact that you are full of it. Number1 was just taking everything you typed and replacing it with a single descriptive word to save space but I guess you aren't smart enough to understand that. So much for your critical thinking skills. Go back to your group of pseudo-intellectual whackos at the coffee shop. They may actually care about what you have to say.
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: scott


For example, the firefighters who went inside the 16 foot dia Pentagon hole immediately after the event say no airplane was there. Or, for example, firefighters at WTC say they actually saw bombs detonating. Etc.


You're yet another looney crank. There is no reasoning with you.

What " reasoning " are you referring to?

I've never heard of you, and have never exchanged any posts with you on ATOT.

The fact is you are not able to refer to any "reasoning" with me, your post is simply a smear. Motive unknown.

The fact is, I have pointed out some factual testimony by eyewitnesses, that's all. And my position is that it's worthy of consideration, rather than simply tarring it all with a "conspiracy theory" put-down and ignoring it. That's extremely reasonable.

I wonder if your motive is to feign a lathered-up posture so as to force the ATOT moderator to lock this thread ? Why??? Why try to shut down discussion??
 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Haha. Look at all the government apologists. The following two video clips absolutely destroy the official 9/11 government story:

Huge pre collapse explosions caught on audio...with smoke rising from the ground before collapse:
http://www.911blogger.com/files/video/911eyewitness_wtc1.wmv

Cheney was monitoring flight 77, and Mineta's testimony was omitted from all official records:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y&search=mineta

The official timeline has Cheney entering the bunker at 10 AM, however, Mineta's testimony (given under oath) places Cheney at the bunker at 9:20. Owned.

Are any government apologists going to address these two video clips? After all, they destroy the official story. Excuses wanted!:laugh:
 
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott


A bunch of bulshitt

Your a joke and so is your so called info.

Number1

I never posted the above.

All please know that Number1 is falsly attributing that to me!!!

ALL please note, scott can't figure out that he is spitting out bullshitt

Such as???
 
Originally posted by: scott
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott


A bunch of bulshitt

Your a joke and so is your so called info.

Number1

I never posted the above.

All please know that Number1 is falsly attributing that to me!!!

ALL please note, scott can't figure out that he is spitting out bullshitt

Such as???

Everything that you said so far.
 
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott


A bunch of bulshitt

Your a joke and so is your so called info.

Number1

I never posted the above.

All please know that Number1 is falsly attributing that to me!!!

ALL please note, scott can't figure out that he is spitting out bullshitt

Such as???

Everything that you said so far.

number1, do you have an explanation for these video clips?

Huge pre collapse explosions caught on audio...with smoke rising from the ground before collapse:
http://www.911blogger.com/files/video/911eyewitness_wtc1.wmv

Cheney was monitoring flight 77, and Mineta's testimony was omitted from all official records:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y&search=mineta

The official timeline has Cheney entering the bunker at 10 AM, however, Mineta's testimony (given under oath) places Cheney at the bunker at 9:20. The Pentagon, Capitol Hill, etc were NOT evacuated until AFTER the Pentagon was struck. Cheney's in trouble.
 
Originally posted by: scott
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: scott


For example, the firefighters who went inside the 16 foot dia Pentagon hole immediately after the event say no airplane was there. Or, for example, firefighters at WTC say they actually saw bombs detonating. Etc.


You're yet another looney crank. There is no reasoning with you.

What " reasoning " are you referring to?

I've never heard of you, and have never exchanged any posts with you on ATOT.

The fact is you are not able to refer to any "reasoning" with me, your post is simply a smear. Motive unknown.

The fact is, I have pointed out some factual testimony by eyewitnesses, that's all. And my position is that it's worthy of consideration, rather than simply tarring it all with a "conspiracy theory" put-down and ignoring it. That's extremely reasonable.

I wonder if your motive is to feign a lathered-up posture so as to force the ATOT moderator to lock this thread ? Why??? Why try to shut down discussion??

Actually, you pointed out a LIE. Even all the BS that a couple of the board nutcases point out shows that *some* people heard *explosions.* explosions != bombs.
 

Number1,

Sorry, your response is inadequate.

I appreciate that, because factual eyewitness testimony is directly contradictory to the official government story, it is unsettling to people who don't want to consider unsavory possibilities.

If that's where you are, that's O.K. ( as long as you don't vote! Ha! j/k)

But cat-calls that try to shut down reasonable discussion do not outweigh factual evidence and questions well-posed by qualified experts.
 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott


A bunch of bulshitt

Your a joke and so is your so called info.

Number1

I never posted the above.

All please know that Number1 is falsly attributing that to me!!!

ALL please note, scott can't figure out that he is spitting out bullshitt

Such as???

Everything that you said so far.

number1, do you have an explanation for these video clips?

Huge pre collapse explosions caught on audio...with smoke rising from the ground before collapse:
http://www.911blogger.com/files/video/911eyewitness_wtc1.wmv

Cheney was monitoring flight 77, and Mineta's testimony was omitted from all official records:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y&search=mineta

The official timeline has Cheney entering the bunker at 10 AM, however, Mineta's testimony (given under oath) places Cheney at the bunker at 9:20. The Pentagon, Capitol Hill, etc were NOT evacuated until AFTER the Pentagon was struck. Cheney's in trouble.

Anybody can edit video footage and make it say what they want.
You people are making stuff up.
Whats your agenda?
 
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott


A bunch of bulshitt

Your a joke and so is your so called info.

Number1

I never posted the above.

All please know that Number1 is falsly attributing that to me!!!

ALL please note, scott can't figure out that he is spitting out bullshitt

Such as???

Everything that you said so far.

number1, do you have an explanation for these video clips?

Huge pre collapse explosions caught on audio...with smoke rising from the ground before collapse:
http://www.911blogger.com/files/video/911eyewitness_wtc1.wmv

Cheney was monitoring flight 77, and Mineta's testimony was omitted from all official records:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y&search=mineta

The official timeline has Cheney entering the bunker at 10 AM, however, Mineta's testimony (given under oath) places Cheney at the bunker at 9:20. The Pentagon, Capitol Hill, etc were NOT evacuated until AFTER the Pentagon was struck. Cheney's in trouble.

Anybody can edit video footage and make it say what they want.
You people are making stuff up.
Whats your agenda?

Haha...you have absolutely nothing to dispute the evidence presented?
My agenda is the truth, and justice :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott


A bunch of bulshitt

Your a joke and so is your so called info.

Number1

I never posted the above.

All please know that Number1 is falsly attributing that to me!!!

ALL please note, scott can't figure out that he is spitting out bullshitt

Such as???

Everything that you said so far.

number1, do you have an explanation for these video clips?

Huge pre collapse explosions caught on audio...with smoke rising from the ground before collapse:
http://www.911blogger.com/files/video/911eyewitness_wtc1.wmv

Cheney was monitoring flight 77, and Mineta's testimony was omitted from all official records:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y&search=mineta

The official timeline has Cheney entering the bunker at 10 AM, however, Mineta's testimony (given under oath) places Cheney at the bunker at 9:20. The Pentagon, Capitol Hill, etc were NOT evacuated until AFTER the Pentagon was struck. Cheney's in trouble.

Anybody can edit video footage and make it say what they want.
You people are making stuff up.
Whats your agenda?

Haha...you have absolutely nothing to dispute the evidence presented?
My agenda is the truth, and justice :thumbsup:
How many times are you going to post that video about the noise levels before/during the collapse?
 
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: scott


A bunch of bulshitt

Your a joke and so is your so called info.

Number1

I never posted the above.

All please know that Number1 is falsly attributing that to me!!!

ALL please note, scott can't figure out that he is spitting out bullshitt

Such as???

Everything that you said so far.

number1, do you have an explanation for these video clips?

Huge pre collapse explosions caught on audio...with smoke rising from the ground before collapse:
http://www.911blogger.com/files/video/911eyewitness_wtc1.wmv

Cheney was monitoring flight 77, and Mineta's testimony was omitted from all official records:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y&search=mineta

The official timeline has Cheney entering the bunker at 10 AM, however, Mineta's testimony (given under oath) places Cheney at the bunker at 9:20. The Pentagon, Capitol Hill, etc were NOT evacuated until AFTER the Pentagon was struck. Cheney's in trouble.

Anybody can edit video footage and make it say what they want.
You people are making stuff up.
Whats your agenda?

Haha...you have absolutely nothing to dispute the evidence presented?
My agenda is the truth, and justice :thumbsup:
How many times are you going to post that video about the noise levels before/during the collapse?

Until someone is able to debunk it 🙂 Then again...it's been around for almost a year...and nobody has done so yet.

Here's the full video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911+eyewitness
 
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