You talk as if I do not fully understand the whole pie. I am well aware what you are saying here and I believe that you and I are more on the same page than you realize. I know that the large vehicles are the largest slice of that pie, but it is still a slice and this thread is about that slice. Being that is the case, I expressed my support for the idea of not driving these large vehicles until this energy crisis ends and we are once again privileged with large amounts of cheap fuel. Until then...
dainthomas
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- Dec 7, 2004
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Say I sold my truck and bought a Ford Focus. How much oil would it take to build that Focus? Is that amount more than the amount of oil saved from not driving my truck? I'm pretty sure I know the answer.
Spineshank
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We can all thank walmart, among others, for this.
And I sleep better at night knowing that I've helped the oil traders buy another multi-million $ apartment in manhattan or another place in the hamptons.
I am betting that when they come out with a Suburban that gets 30 MPG that the environ/haters are going to come up with other reasons why people shouldn't be driving them.
Where did the land of "mind your own business go"?
Where did the land of "mind your own business go"?
Because they're the biggest target.
I read somewhere that they won't even talk to a potential supplier if they don't have operations in china.
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And while we're talking about oil (that's what this thread is really about, right?), let's stop using so much plastic. I think we should boycott any product in the grocery store (or walmart) that uses plastic packaging. Reusable glass ftw...
PingSpike
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- Feb 25, 2004
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Thats not really true. The most people thing I mean. I think there are plenty of people that make good use of their trucks for work. I think MOST people use them to commute to work and occasionally go to home depot or get mulch. It certainly makes those tasks easier, but they don't really NEED the truck. I want a truck...all I NEEDED was a utility trailer. Others do NEED the largest truck available, with the most horsepower available, with the largest lift available, with the most chrome available and the best novelty truck balls money can buy. They need those things, not because they have a lot of work to do, but because they were born with a stunted penis and since science has not developed reliable penis implants they have to make up for it in other ways. And those people deserve our pity, because its difficult to afford the fuel for those things, especially when you have a $1000/month truck payment. Whenever I see a guy in a lifted dodge ram dually try to run a group of people in a saab off the road, I realize that our society forgets about the little guys like that, who are suffering every day of their lives.
mugs
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- Apr 29, 2003
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Walmart is the driving force behind cost cutting measures such as manufacturing in China. Walmart makes their suppliers lower their prices year after year, and any company that wants to sell their product at Walmart has to do what Walmart says. No one wants to lose Walmart's business (well, a few companies have told Walmart to pound sand, but most don't). Other stores are just the beneficiaries of those cost-cutting measures that Walmart drives. No one else has the power that Walmart has to manipulate suppliers.
ill mind my business as soon as the excess of your vehicle doesnt block driving visibility, blind others due to high-set headlight, hog up parking space and ding neighboring cars in the process
BurnItDwn
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- Oct 10, 1999
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Meh, I drive a sedan that gets crap milage. Most people with small SUVs or small trucks get better mileage than me, and they get the utility. I just get a slightly more responsive gas pedal, but it isn't even really a "fast" car, it's just a big car.
I'm buying a little econobox when I buy a car, probably in 3 or 4 years as long as my 300m lasts that long. At the fuel rate, I spend about $250 per month on fuel for my car. I average about 20-22mpg (mixed city/highway.) If I went with some super efficient econobox that gets 40mpg (mixed) then that would cut my gas prices down by $125 per month. My other maintenance costs would likely go down as well (since my 99 Chrysler is not quite as reliable as a newer Honda or Toyota would be)
So I'd save about $150-$200 per month on fuel/maintenance, and my car payment would be at least (or more than) $250 per month .... (very little down, trade in not worth much, and absolutely will not take out a loan for more than 3 years term on a car.)
It just doesn't make sense right now for me to sacrifice some of the comfort (I'm tall and also fat, and the car has leather) in exchange for paying more money for a slower performing econobox in order to use less gas.
But, eventually, that's the way I'm headed ...
I suspect most (or at least many) of the SUV/Truck owners are in a similar boat. They are done paying their payments, their resale value is crap, and even though it costs them an arm and a leg to fill up, it's still less expensive than most alternatives...
Also, I think the hate is for SUVs vs Pickup trucks because SUVs seem to be more popular, and as many others have said, it appears as though more trucks get "truck use" as a percentage of trucks than the number of SUV's getting "SUV use" as a percentage of SUVs. 50% of trucks used by farmers/construction workers, 10% of SUV's used by giant families or people driving off road ... (don't take my baseless guestimated percentage amounts for face value as I really have no idea what they really are, and I don't care about what other people drive.)
I'm buying a little econobox when I buy a car, probably in 3 or 4 years as long as my 300m lasts that long. At the fuel rate, I spend about $250 per month on fuel for my car. I average about 20-22mpg (mixed city/highway.) If I went with some super efficient econobox that gets 40mpg (mixed) then that would cut my gas prices down by $125 per month. My other maintenance costs would likely go down as well (since my 99 Chrysler is not quite as reliable as a newer Honda or Toyota would be)
So I'd save about $150-$200 per month on fuel/maintenance, and my car payment would be at least (or more than) $250 per month .... (very little down, trade in not worth much, and absolutely will not take out a loan for more than 3 years term on a car.)
It just doesn't make sense right now for me to sacrifice some of the comfort (I'm tall and also fat, and the car has leather) in exchange for paying more money for a slower performing econobox in order to use less gas.
But, eventually, that's the way I'm headed ...
I suspect most (or at least many) of the SUV/Truck owners are in a similar boat. They are done paying their payments, their resale value is crap, and even though it costs them an arm and a leg to fill up, it's still less expensive than most alternatives...
Also, I think the hate is for SUVs vs Pickup trucks because SUVs seem to be more popular, and as many others have said, it appears as though more trucks get "truck use" as a percentage of trucks than the number of SUV's getting "SUV use" as a percentage of SUVs. 50% of trucks used by farmers/construction workers, 10% of SUV's used by giant families or people driving off road ... (don't take my baseless guestimated percentage amounts for face value as I really have no idea what they really are, and I don't care about what other people drive.)
AgaBoogaBoo
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- Feb 16, 2003
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Here's the issue - if a Suburban is getting 30mpg, then we can probably get even higher mileage in a smaller car. No matter what you do to a Suburban, it's still a large and heavy car, which makes it inefficient to work with from the start compared to something smaller.
As for the land of "mind your own business", I don't think it's ever been that way. If I'm on a state border, maybe Illinois, with a factory that is dumping things into a river, which is where you get water from in Indiana, do I just tell you to mind your own business? You can't even complain to the state in that case.
Overall, while many of us hate it, our attitudes in the US will have to change at some point. Notice that I said our - the blame isn't on a specific group of people, but rather the country as a whole, none of us really cared about the decisions we made for many things.
AgaBoogaBoo
Lifer
- Feb 16, 2003
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econ 101 says that if a resource appears to be "unlimited", it will be wasted. Tap water isn't an issue, and so people use more of it than they need to.
I think the same happened with gas. European countries kept their usage in line by having large taxes when it was cheaper.
Why hate on either one? It's theirmoney, they can pay 150$ at the pump if they please.
None of your business, move the hell along.
None of your business, move the hell along.
Capt Caveman
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- Jan 30, 2005
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Someone made a good point, anyone concerned about need should look at things in their life i.e. their house, their wardrobe, the amount of garbage they make, we all typically have a lot more than we need in most areas of our life.
radioouman
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Go right ahead and hate on my pickup truck. I only drive it when I need to haul something that I cannot do with my car. (Mulch, ladder, lumber) I also use it to pull my boat to the lakes. I use it for pulling bushes and trees out of the ground. I can't do any of that with my car, and therefore it makes sense for me to own my truck.
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