why all the hate to SUV's and not pickup trucks?

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: rh71
I swear... if anyone brings up the "need" issue one more time without thinking about the size of their house, the amount of underwear they own, the speed of their cpu, the storage size of their ipod, the number of nostrils they have... I'm gonna pop someone.

STFU ABOUT NEED.

The thing is, those frivolous things don't impact other people's lives. Driving a small car when you're surrounded by SUVs and trucks is a hazard to your health, especially when half of them speed excessively while talking on cell phones and generally not paying attention.

bad drivers are a hazard to your health, not the vehicle itself.

Yes, but basic physics will tell you that being hit by an 5500lb vehicle will probably impact you more than being hit at the same (or possibly even less since it'll be able to slow down faster) speed by a 3800lb vehicle.

And don't get me wrong, people are free to do what they want, but I hear so much bitching from people who own SUVs and trucks its not even funny. That is where my problem comes from. If gas is so expensive why did you spend 40 grand buying an SUV/pickup as a commuter car for one person?

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: GeneralDisarray
Indeed a pick-up is almost always less practical than an SUV. The majority of pick-up owners I know have a few assorted items in their box/bed that could easily fit into a trunk or the back of an SUV, yet all the wasted space of the flat-bed is unusable for passengers. I drive an SUV because I'm quite tall and don't fit well in even the largest sedans. People have asked why not get a pick-up, and I'm always amazed how ridiculous it would be to have one outside of working in construction. If people are honest with themselves they know they do maybe 2-5 things a year that would benefit from a flat-bed leaving the other 360 days of wasted space. At least I can drive 8 people around in an SUV and make it pretty fuel efficient on a gas to people scale.

Originally posted by: TheNinja
Because typically a SUV driver is a soccer mom whose husband bought her some gigantic SUV to make up for the fact that he works 18 hours a day. Then she has no idea how to drive the thing and is tpyically hauling 2 kids in a 8 passenger vehicle bumping into stuff all the time.
Trucks often can get better mileage plus they can haul stuff in the back. My truck gets around 10 miles to the gallon in city...luckily my commute is about 2.5 miles. I like to have the bed for hauling stuff. Granted I don't haul often but it's great to have when you need it and you'd be surprised how often you can use a truck.
Personally I don't have hate for anyone for any vehicle choice. If you can afford it and want to buy it, then go ahead, just don't hit me with your H2.

And here is why this whole debate is rediculous. one poster thinks he has the pulse of the typical SUV owner and the other has the pulse of the truck owner.

For both posters, I'm not calling you out or anything, just pointing out that we all have different needs, wants, likes and dislikes.

 

[SpunkyJones]

I love my Sequoia. Do I need it? Hell no, but I love, its paid for and I'm going to squeeze at least another two years out of it, if not more.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: rh71
I swear... if anyone brings up the "need" issue one more time without thinking about the size of their house, the amount of underwear they own, the speed of their cpu, the storage size of their ipod, the number of nostrils they have... I'm gonna pop someone.

STFU ABOUT NEED.

The thing is, those frivolous things don't impact other people's lives. Driving a small car when you're surrounded by SUVs and trucks is a hazard to your health, especially when half of them speed excessively while talking on cell phones and generally not paying attention.

bad drivers are a hazard to your health, not the vehicle itself.

Yes, but basic physics will tell you that being hit by an 5500lb vehicle will probably impact you more than being hit at the same (or possibly even less since it'll be able to slow down faster) speed by a 3800lb vehicle.

okay, so everone should drive SMART cars then. They probably weight the least.

 

[RKS]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: rh71
I swear... if anyone brings up the "need" issue one more time without thinking about the size of their house, the amount of underwear they own, the speed of their cpu, the storage size of their ipod, the number of nostrils they have... I'm gonna pop someone.

STFU ABOUT NEED.

The thing is, those frivolous things don't impact other people's lives. Driving a small car when you're surrounded by SUVs and trucks is a hazard to your health, especially when half of them speed excessively while talking on cell phones and generally not paying attention.

bad drivers are a hazard to your health, not the vehicle itself.

Yes, but basic physics will tell you that being hit by an 5500lb vehicle will probably impact you more than being hit at the same (or possibly even less since it'll be able to slow down faster) speed by a 3800lb vehicle.

okay, so everone should drive SMART cars then. They probably weight the least.

or everyone should keep their 6000 lbs SUV and remain safe.

 

[drum]

Originally posted by: So
I drive a Ford Ranger -- it gets 20/21MPG and is extremely convenient when I want to haul anything, which is more often than you'd think. It's not fuel efficient, but I wouldn't call it a gas guzzler and the cost of replacing a perfectly good vehicle is far too much to justify.

yep,
just hauled some stuff from ohio to Michigan just this past Saturday in my Ranger.

 

[dbk]

I wish I didn't drive a SUV...I die a little at the pump, nowadays. The car was a handmedown, but still

 

[GeneralDisarray]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: GeneralDisarray
Indeed a pick-up is almost always less practical than an SUV. The majority of pick-up owners I know have a few assorted items in their box/bed that could easily fit into a trunk or the back of an SUV, yet all the wasted space of the flat-bed is unusable for passengers. I drive an SUV because I'm quite tall and don't fit well in even the largest sedans. People have asked why not get a pick-up, and I'm always amazed how ridiculous it would be to have one outside of working in construction. If people are honest with themselves they know they do maybe 2-5 things a year that would benefit from a flat-bed leaving the other 360 days of wasted space. At least I can drive 8 people around in an SUV and make it pretty fuel efficient on a gas to people scale.

Originally posted by: TheNinja
Because typically a SUV driver is a soccer mom whose husband bought her some gigantic SUV to make up for the fact that he works 18 hours a day. Then she has no idea how to drive the thing and is tpyically hauling 2 kids in a 8 passenger vehicle bumping into stuff all the time.
Trucks often can get better mileage plus they can haul stuff in the back. My truck gets around 10 miles to the gallon in city...luckily my commute is about 2.5 miles. I like to have the bed for hauling stuff. Granted I don't haul often but it's great to have when you need it and you'd be surprised how often you can use a truck.
Personally I don't have hate for anyone for any vehicle choice. If you can afford it and want to buy it, then go ahead, just don't hit me with your H2.

And here is why this whole debate is rediculous. one poster thinks he has the pulse of the typical SUV owner and the other has the pulse of the truck owner.

For both posters, I'm not calling you out or anything, just pointing out that we all have different needs, wants, likes and dislikes.

If I came off as scorning truck drivers that was not my intention. I spoke of the practicality of the vehicles themselves, and I stand by the point that interior room is superior to exterior room for the majority of circumstances.

Another thing to note, too, is the area. Here in NYC & its immediate suburban areas, the majority of trucks *I* see are empty and for show, never really hauling anything. I'm sure thats not the case in many other areas of the country.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: dartworth
I loath people with giant houses...all the extra resources to power and heat them:|

loath? seems like a lot of effort.

I guess this means you're not related to the tudors or vanderbilts.

 

[drum]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
I think I hate trucks more.

Actually, I just hate lifted trucks that threaten to decapitate me if I get into an accident. I don't care how much they need them, they should be classified same as the big-rigs, with the same speed limits and start busting those guys for negating crumple zones.

I don't like driving next to one on the freeway and having their license plate at eye-level.

I dropped my last Ranger 4 inches in the front and 5 in the back. Handled so much better after that, improved my gas mileage a tiny bit too.

 

[wetcat007]

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: Xavier434
No one is debating the functionality of an SUV. Most of the debate is centered around how often that function is used. For example, let's say you use an SUV for a purpose which would be impossible to accomplish with a mid sized econ car once every 3 months. Think about the money you would save in gas if you just decided to rent an SUV for that purpose in gas alone or if you paid to have said item(s) delivered? Not to mention that maintenance when it comes to wear and tear on an SUV is more expensive. It's a win/win situation for everyone.

It's no one's business if I want to spend my money on an SUV. Even if I don't "need" it. Fart can tips on mufflers aren't needed either. Should they be banned? I don't "need" my smart phone. Should I have not been allowed to buy that either?

I think those tips should be banned, in fact they're probably illegal due to noise laws in many areas but I don't think it's that well enforced. Harley Davidson(and similar) bikes should also be required to have mufflers

If someone has an SUV and bitches about gas prices, I'll tell them to get something that does better gas mileage. They then typically come up with the I'll drive whatever the hell I want excuse(or claim it's impossible to get around in MN without one in the winter lol). That's fine just don't complain about how much gas costs to me then.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Oh, I hate trucks too.

Especially the really big ones that take up an extra parking spot all around them because they're so damn huge. I swear I saw a Dodge once that was the "Dodge Dakota Texas Huge Cock" edition.

Agreed. Trucks with a huge lift should be banned from use on public roads IMO. If the bumper doesn't meet up with other vehicles, it's illegal.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: mesthead21
I am going to guess and say because a lot of the people that have SUV's don't necessarily need them. I would say that more people use trucks to move large things they can't in an SUV.

my father moved 3 tons of sand and a lot of pavers in an SUV. he also moved a lot of cut sod.

no, he doesn't seem to care that the back gets really dirty. that's what vacuums are for, after all.

Originally posted by: CPA
Who F*'in cares how much the function is used. Geezus, it's not your decision. If I buy a vehicle for a purpose that is used 4 times a year and I can pony up the money for it, why the F should you care? Why do you let yourself get so worked up with what someone else buys?

more demand for gasoline with the same supply = increased gas prices for everyone because mrs. smith has 2 kids and so needs the capacity for 6. not to mention increased environmental cost which isn't even factored into the price and so everyone getting better gas mileage than her is subsidizing her.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

I personally don't care about SUVs... if it makes people happy, good for them. I don't why they receive so much bad rap either. So what if they use a ton of gas. I'm not the one paying $100+ at the pump (yet). I live in New Jersey, probably the least friendly SUV state... and all I can say is, I have way more problems with some people who drive shitty sedans like they are sports cars as opposed to people who drive their huge but slower SUVs.

 

[jiggahertz]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: mesthead21
I am going to guess and say because a lot of the people that have SUV's don't necessarily need them. I would say that more people use trucks to move large things they can't in an SUV.

my father moved 3 tons of sand and a lot of pavers in an SUV. he also moved a lot of cut sod.

no, he doesn't seem to care that the back gets really dirty. that's what vacuums are for, after all.

Originally posted by: CPA
Who F*'in cares how much the function is used. Geezus, it's not your decision. If I buy a vehicle for a purpose that is used 4 times a year and I can pony up the money for it, why the F should you care? Why do you let yourself get so worked up with what someone else buys?

more demand for gasoline with the same supply = increased gas prices for everyone because mrs. smith has 2 kids and so needs the capacity for 6. not to mention increased environmental cost which isn't even factored into the price and so everyone getting better gas mileage than her is subsidizing her.

I hope you're joking. Mrs. Smith's fuel demand does nothing to your price at the pump. You should go to china and india and ask them to reduce their consumption first.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Well, it's really fortunate that we'll never ever ever run out of fossil fuels, which is really phenomenal.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: jiggahertz

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: mesthead21
I am going to guess and say because a lot of the people that have SUV's don't necessarily need them. I would say that more people use trucks to move large things they can't in an SUV.

my father moved 3 tons of sand and a lot of pavers in an SUV. he also moved a lot of cut sod.

no, he doesn't seem to care that the back gets really dirty. that's what vacuums are for, after all.

Originally posted by: CPA
Who F*'in cares how much the function is used. Geezus, it's not your decision. If I buy a vehicle for a purpose that is used 4 times a year and I can pony up the money for it, why the F should you care? Why do you let yourself get so worked up with what someone else buys?

more demand for gasoline with the same supply = increased gas prices for everyone because mrs. smith has 2 kids and so needs the capacity for 6. not to mention increased environmental cost which isn't even factored into the price and so everyone getting better gas mileage than her is subsidizing her.

I hope you're joking. Mrs. Smith's fuel demand does nothing to your price at the pump. You should go to china and india and ask them to reduce their consumption first.

China's and India's per capita oil consumption are a lot less than ours.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: rh71
I swear... if anyone brings up the "need" issue one more time without thinking about the size of their house, the amount of underwear they own, the speed of their cpu, the storage size of their ipod, the number of nostrils they have... I'm gonna pop someone.

STFU ABOUT NEED.

The thing is, those frivolous things don't impact other people's lives. Driving a small car when you're surrounded by SUVs and trucks is a hazard to your health, especially when half of them speed excessively while talking on cell phones and generally not paying attention.

If that stereotype about SUVs & cellphones is the strongest argument you have, I'm not even going to bother. "Half of them"? Laughable. Exaggerate more, so long as it suits your argument..

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
but I hear so much bitching from people who own SUVs and trucks its not even funny.

You mean like all the people here who bitch about gas prices and DON'T drive gas guzzlers? You mean people who already have a vehicle should spend more money to get another car? Guess what? EVERYBODY has a RIGHT to complain about gas prices... because they have increased at a ridiculous rate. Even myself, who drives only a couple days a week now, have a right to bitch about ridiculous pricing (not because I actually pay it). You're implying it's only ok for the guy who spends $300/mo. in his Sentra to bitch? Idiocy.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: mesthead21
I am going to guess and say because a lot of the people that have SUV's don't necessarily need them. I would say that more people use trucks to move large things they can't in an SUV.

ok i get it now. people with trucks are excused from the bashing because someday they "might" need to move something that is too large to fit in a SUV.

common dude, get real i had a pickup and the only time i needed the haul something big was when i bought my fridge. other than that i didnt use it to haul anything.

Just because you don't use a truck doesn't mean other people don't. Here's my truck. This is my last truck (got the trailered wood chipper in mud up to an axle on the way up- not something you're going to get through with your everyday SUV).

Originally posted by: drum

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
I think I hate trucks more.

Actually, I just hate lifted trucks that threaten to decapitate me if I get into an accident. I don't care how much they need them, they should be classified same as the big-rigs, with the same speed limits and start busting those guys for negating crumple zones.

I don't like driving next to one on the freeway and having their license plate at eye-level.

I dropped my last Ranger 4 inches in the front and 5 in the back. Handled so much better after that, improved my gas mileage a tiny bit too.

Too bad you killed your load capacity and any offroad capability...but I imagine it was a 2wd anyway, so I guess you didn't care about clearance anyway.

Originally posted by: GeneralDisarray
Indeed a pick-up is almost always less practical than an SUV. The majority of pick-up owners I know have a few assorted items in their box/bed that could easily fit into a trunk or the back of an SUV, yet all the wasted space of the flat-bed is unusable for passengers. I drive an SUV because I'm quite tall and don't fit well in even the largest sedans. People have asked why not get a pick-up, and I'm always amazed how ridiculous it would be to have one outside of working in construction. If people are honest with themselves they know they do maybe 2-5 things a year that would benefit from a flat-bed leaving the other 360 days of wasted space. At least I can drive 8 people around in an SUV and make it pretty fuel efficient on a gas to people scale.

My truck seats six. How would you like to fill the back of your SUV with composted manure?

Maybe I should start a thread and post a pic every time my truck is used to haul something..I guarantee you that it's more than twice a year...

 

[PricklyPete]

It's a percentage thing.

There also should be hate to most sports cars, muscle cars, and German super saloons...but no one says anything.

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: mesthead21
I am going to guess and say because a lot of the people that have SUV's don't necessarily need them. I would say that more people use trucks to move large things they can't in an SUV.

ok i get it now. people with trucks are excused from the bashing because someday they "might" need to move something that is too large to fit in a SUV.

common dude, get real i had a pickup and the only time i needed the haul something big was when i bought my fridge. other than that i didnt use it to haul anything.

no, no..you obviously don't get it.

 

[potato28]

Of all of the people I know with a pick up, all of them use it for towing and large hauling. SUV's on the other hand have no use around here, and generally the people in the truck drive better than the people in the SUV.

 

[GoingUp]

Because you dont have 5'2" fake tanned blonde soccer moms with an expresso in one hand and cell phone in the other running you off the road with their pickup truck because they aren't paying attention.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: waggy
i wouild love to get a F150. i had one but sold it thinking i wouldnt need it as much since i moved off the farm. boy was i wrong.

i do agree i hate people who buy F250 duel axels and only thing they haul is a gallon of milk.

If you mean what I THINK you mean, that'd be an F-350 with duals. They only have a single rear axle with dual tires, and only the F-350 and larger are available with that option. (1-ton and bigger)

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: Aikouka
I swear I saw a Dodge once that was the "Dodge Dakota Texas Huge Cock" edition.

OMG, I want that truck so bad.

Anything so you can claim to have a Huge Cock Dain?

Originally posted by: bonkers325
in general, people who own pickup trucks use them because they NEED them for their daily/weekly chores. cant say the same for most SUV owners

MAYBE that's true in Noo Yawk, but it sure ain't even close to true out west.

Here, you see soccer moms driving full-size pick-ups with crew cabs just like they do SUV's. MOST of the people I know do NOT use a pick-up for anything except their daily driver.

This is the first time in over 30 years that I haven't owned some kind of pick-up, and it's only because I'm "whipped" that I don't have one now.

In 2005, when Ford had their "Employee Pricing Event," I went looking for a new F-250 4X4 turbo-diesel with at least a Super Cab or (preferrably) a SuperCrew Cab.
Couldn't find one with the exact trim package and colors I wanted, (Either a Lariat or King Ranch, in white or one of the blues) In the process, we found a white Expedition with the King Ranch package and my wife fell in love with it...end of story.
She got the Expedition, BUT the plan was for me to get a new truck in 2006.
With gas/fuel prices having gone up faster than the express elevator at the Sears Tower, I'm happy as hell I didn't get the F-250 turbo diesel, and since I decided not to get a pull-trailer RV, I really don't need the pick-up right now.

That doesn't mean I still don't WANT one, but I'm probably not gonna get one.
I just can't justify the cost of the fuel for a truck I don't NEED.

heh-heh...I sat in a Honda yesterday for the first time in my life...not a bad little car, but I felt like a tuna shoved into a sardine can. When I sat down to get in the car, the door comes to the middle of my neck, and I have to contort my broken body to get in...once I'm in the car, my head hits the inner roof. Hard to justify buying a car that I don't fit into...

 

[seemingly random]

I saw a full size, dualie, extended length van the other day here in southern ga. I think it was a dodge and assume it was stock from the factory. It was funny looking. There were only three people in it. I suppose it's used to transport people from the fat farm to buffets...

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I wonder how much fuel air force one uses on a world tour (we'll ignore the chase fighters and other support aircraft for now).

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Kia is building a factory in ga for their little cars. Supposedly, they've cornered the market for heavy equipment here and in the surrounding states. I wonder how much fuel they're using.