why all the hate to SUV's and not pickup trucks?

[SirStev0]

Pickup trucks usually have a purpose.

 

[Squisher]

My F150 4X4 OFF ROAD with the newly purchased $900 worth of tires.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: Squisher
My F150 4X4 OFF ROAD with the newly purchased $900 worth of tires.

You're a real man now

:thumbsup:

 

[manowar821]

They're more often being used for legitimate activities. Not a WHOLE lot more often, but enough that they don't stand out like a sore thumb.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: bonkers325
in general, people who own pickup trucks use them because they NEED them for their daily/weekly chores. cant say the same for most SUV owners

The sharp decline in truck sales recently would seem to suggest otherwise. I don't think most Americans "need" a truck as bad as they think they do.

Don't get me wrong, I could care less what kind of vehicle a person drives. If an SUV is convenient for a person and they don't mind paying for the higher fuel costs, more power to them. I just don't buy the argument that most truck/SUV owners need them.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: Xavier434
No one is debating the functionality of an SUV. Most of the debate is centered around how often that function is used. For example, let's say you use an SUV for a purpose which would be impossible to accomplish with a mid sized econ car once every 3 months. Think about the money you would save in gas if you just decided to rent an SUV for that purpose in gas alone or if you paid to have said item(s) delivered? Not to mention that maintenance when it comes to wear and tear on an SUV is more expensive. It's a win/win situation for everyone.

It's no one's business if I want to spend my money on an SUV. Even if I don't "need" it. Fart can tips on mufflers aren't needed either. Should they be banned? I don't "need" my smart phone. Should I have not been allowed to buy that either?

The purchasing of mufflers and smart phones are not effecting others financially. They are not contributing to price increases on something like gas which most people need to buy in order to go to work and survive. The excessive number of miles driven using SUVs when those miles could just as easily be driven in an econ car is effecting everyone. I realize that some people may feel as if their freedoms are at stake when arguments like these are presented to you, but the fact of the matter is that we are in the middle of a serious energy crisis and it helps a lot if everyone did their part to help resolve the situation rather than do their part to contribute to it. That's my argument, but again I really don't care that much despite how valid that argument might be.

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: mugs

I don't think anyone wants to prohibit anyone from buying the vehicle that they want. But there is nothing wrong with being happy to see a reduction in the number of those vehicles on the road.

mugs, you haven't visited P&N lately have you? There are plenty of people who want to limit what you can buy.

Correct me if I am mistaken, but aren't you also one of the people in P&N which is constantly using words like "entitlement" to justify why certain needy people should not receive government benefits, health care, etc? Even though I am very much against the usual entitlement arguments, that same logic could be applied to those who feel "entitled" to being allowed to drive around a gas guzzler during an energy crisis such as this one. If you are not one of those people then I apologize ahead of time, but my point remains clear I believe.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
The purchasing of mufflers and smart phones are not effecting others financially. They are not contributing to price increases on something like gas which most people need to buy in order to go to work and survive. The excessive number of miles driven using SUVs when those miles could just as easily driven in an econ car is effecting everyone.

Supply & Demand for gas costs does not apply. I remember when financial analysts by day were all over this point in every single gas thread a few years back. Where are they now?

We as a whole have driven less in the last few years and look where the prices have gone. We also know fewer people buy large vehicles these days. Where are the gas prices still headed?

Complete point nullified.

 

[Nitemare]

pickup trucks are useful and usually don't get driven by soccer moms

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Xavier434
The purchasing of mufflers and smart phones are not effecting others financially. They are not contributing to price increases on something like gas which most people need to buy in order to go to work and survive. The excessive number of miles driven using SUVs when those miles could just as easily driven in an econ car is effecting everyone.

Supply & Demand for gas costs does not apply. I remember when financial analysts by day were all over this point in every single gas thread a few years back. Where are they now?

We as a whole have driven less in the last few years and look where the prices have gone. We also know fewer people buy large vehicles these days. Where are the gas prices still headed?

Complete point nullified.

I will need proof to believe that one. Oil is a limited resource. As it becomes less abundant, it becomes more valuable and the price will rise. Limited driving over the past couple years is too little too late which is why you are not seeing it result in a noticeable positive outcome.

*Edit*

Keep in mind that while prices are not going down despite the reduction in large vehicles being purchased and driven, that doesn't mean it isn't helping. It could very well just mean that the prices are not rising as fast as they could be. If I am wrong about that then I am wrong and am more than willing to accept it, but I will need to proof to believe otherwise.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Xavier434
The purchasing of mufflers and smart phones are not effecting others financially. They are not contributing to price increases on something like gas which most people need to buy in order to go to work and survive. The excessive number of miles driven using SUVs when those miles could just as easily driven in an econ car is effecting everyone.

Supply & Demand for gas costs does not apply. I remember when financial analysts by day were all over this point in every single gas thread a few years back. Where are they now?

We as a whole have driven less in the last few years and look where the prices have gone. We also know fewer people buy large vehicles these days. Where are the gas prices still headed?

Complete point nullified.

I will need proof to believe that one. Oil is a limited resource. As it becomes less abundant, it becomes more valuable and the price will rise. Limited driving over the past couple years is too little too late which is why you are not seeing it result in a noticeable positive outcome.

*Edit*

Keep in mind that while prices are not going down despite the reduction in large vehicles being purchased and driven, that doesn't mean it isn't helping. It could very well just mean that the prices are not rising as fast as they could be. If I am wrong about that then I am wrong and am more than willing to accept it, but I will need to proof to believe otherwise.

Oil isn't a limited resource as Jesus will never let us run out. Ever. We have infinite oil.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: manowar821
They're more often being used for legitimate activities. Not a WHOLE lot more often, but enough that they don't stand out like a sore thumb.

not where i live. lots of people use a truck as a daily commuter.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: TheNinja
Because typically a SUV driver is a soccer mom whose husband bought her some gigantic SUV to make up for the fact that he works 18 hours a day. Then she has no idea how to drive the thing and is tpyically hauling 2 kids in a 8 passenger vehicle bumping into stuff all the time.

Trucks often can get better mileage plus they can haul stuff in the back. My truck gets around 10 miles to the gallon in city...luckily my commute is about 2.5 miles. I like to have the bed for hauling stuff. Granted I don't haul often but it's great to have when you need it and you'd be surprised how often you can use a truck.

Personally I don't have hate for anyone for any vehicle choice. If you can afford it and want to buy it, then go ahead, just don't hit me with your H2.

same can be said for mini-vans.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Pickup trucks usually have a function. I want to buy a truck right now just to haul lumber and work on some house projects. Using it as a daily driver wouldn't be my first choice, but it's slightly less obnoxious because you can actually see around it. In traffic, an SUV totally blocks the view of what's going on up ahead....

SUV's have a function as well, just not the function you need. and to tell you the truth seeing around a pickup and a suv is just about the same and a lot better than being behind a semi.

No one is debating the functionality of an SUV. Most of the debate is centered around how often that function is used. For example, let's say you use an SUV for a purpose which would be impossible to accomplish with a mid sized econ car once every 3 months. Think about the money you would save in gas if you just decided to rent an SUV for that purpose in gas alone or if you paid to have said item(s) delivered? Not to mention that maintenance when it comes to wear and tear on an SUV is more expensive. It's a win/win situation for everyone.

Who F*'in cares how much the function is used. Geezus, it's not your decision. If I buy a vehicle for a purpose that is used 4 times a year and I can pony up the money for it, why the F should you care? Why do you let yourself get so worked up with what someone else buys?

lol, I think you are mistaken when it comes to who is getting worked up here.

I don't care that much, but let's face it. America's gas consumption is having an impact on the high prices in a bad way. SUVs use a lot more gas and a very large number of those SUVs are being used in the exact same way that a econ car is used for. That's just a fact whether you like it or not.

Unregulated commodities markets are having the largest impact, next is the American Government not allowing the building of any new refineries in the US. Then you lastly you can blame the drivers.

But just for you and your like, I drive my 5.3L v8 Chevy 4 door pickup 60 miles a day with just myself. At the end of the day, I pick up my kids and drive them about a mile home from daycare.
While at work I use the company Ford Expedition 4x4 which gets about 12MPG for hauling computers around town. I put about 150 miles a week on that SUV.

I and my company can afford it, as can a lot of people. I have a feeling the people that are praising Jesus that gas prices are high are the people that couldn't afford to buy a decent vehicle in the 1st place, and are just trying to assert themselves as superior because their car is more "economical". To those people I say F- YOU mind your own damn business.




Now, I'm going to go do some burn outs in the parking lot to waste some more gas.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: bonkers325
in general, people who own pickup trucks use them because they NEED them for their daily/weekly chores. cant say the same for most SUV owners

sure you can.

Meh. Short of towing, there isn't really much that a mid/full size SUV has over a minivan.

<---- Went from a Highlander to a minivan.

Did it hurt when they cut off your balls?





<also has a mini van for the woman to drive.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Unregulated commodities markets are having the largest impact, next is the American Government not allowing the building of any new refineries in the US. Then you lastly you can blame the drivers.

*** Flame Bait ***

I agree with the first part and I should note that I am not happy that prices are high and nor do I have any kind of desire to feel superior. I just wish more people did their own part to try and contribute towards helping the situation. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: rh71
I swear... if anyone brings up the "need" issue one more time without thinking about the size of their house, the amount of underwear they own, the speed of their cpu, the storage size of their ipod, the number of nostrils they have... I'm gonna pop someone.

STFU ABOUT NEED.

The thing is, those frivolous things don't impact other people's lives. Driving a small car when you're surrounded by SUVs and trucks is a hazard to your health, especially when half of them speed excessively while talking on cell phones and generally not paying attention.

Man up and buy a bigger vehicle?
But what you're really saying is that only people in SUV's and trucks cause accidents? Tell that the the lady in the Mercedes c230 that t-boned my truck when she ran a red light, because she was to busy yapping on the phone.
just as a side note, her car was totaled, my truck was not, and was fixed and looks brand new again.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: bonkers325
in general, people who own pickup trucks use them because they NEED them for their daily/weekly chores. cant say the same for most SUV owners

sure you can.

Meh. Short of towing, there isn't really much that a mid/full size SUV has over a minivan.

<---- Went from a Highlander to a minivan.

Did it hurt when they cut off your balls?

<also has a mini van for the woman to drive.

Heh. At least the van I bought (Mazda5) rides on 205/50R/17 tires and is available with a manual transmission. So I didn't have to fully trade in my testicles.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: jiggahertz

I hope you're joking. Mrs. Smith's fuel demand does nothing to your price at the pump. You should go to china and india and ask them to reduce their consumption first.

just mrs. smith's demand is almost imperceptible, but her and her 50 million friends sure as hell have an impact. very small changes in supply and demand result in very large price swings for oil and gasoline.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

I will need proof to believe that one. Oil is a limited resource. As it becomes less abundant, it becomes more valuable and the price will rise.

I'm almost positive inventory and production of oil are at all time highs. I'm absolutely positive demand in the US is down. The price increase is all about demand in India and China. That's a fact. If they were still riding around on donkeys and bicycles like they're supposed to we'd be paying $1.50 now.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Unregulated commodities markets are having the largest impact, next is the American Government not allowing the building of any new refineries in the US. Then you lastly you can blame the drivers.

*** Flame Bait ***

I agree with the first part and I should note that I am not happy that prices are high and nor do I have any kind of desire to feel superior. I just wish more people did their own part to try and contribute towards helping the situation. Nothing wrong with that.

If you want to help the situation, stop posting online and telling people they shouldn't drive big vehicles, contact your senators and tell them to push to allow for production in the shale oil fields in Colorado, or to open ANWAR and to allow the opening of more oil refineries, and to approve more nuclear power stations. Just by opening more nuclear power stations we can get rid of 2 problems at once, we can get rid of oil burning power plants and eliminate the pollution they cause. My truck may get subpar gas mileage, but it has emissions equipment to help limit pollution. The old oil fired electric plants do not have catalytic converters and smog pumps, ect.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: Xavier434

I will need proof to believe that one. Oil is a limited resource. As it becomes less abundant, it becomes more valuable and the price will rise.

I'm almost positive inventory and production of oil are at all time highs. I'm absolutely positive demand in the US is down. The price increase is all about demand in India and China. That's a fact. If they were still riding around on donkeys and bicycles like they're supposed to we'd be paying $1.50 now.

We can take care of that.

 

[LS21]

trucks and suvs are ugly and stupid and only doo-doo heads drive them.

(people in construction or those who use the bed of pickup truck regularly are exempt)

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: Xavier434

I will need proof to believe that one. Oil is a limited resource. As it becomes less abundant, it becomes more valuable and the price will rise.

I'm almost positive inventory and production of oil are at all time highs. I'm absolutely positive demand in the US is down. The price increase is all about demand in India and China. That's a fact. If they were still riding around on donkeys and bicycles like they're supposed to we'd be paying $1.50 now.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the American voter.

Shh, shh no not too close, if you interrupt him while he's watching COPS he'll become irate. Just admire him from a distance.

 

[BlackTigers]

The only thing I hate is when I see a 4'10" woman in an Excursion, Yukon, or Suburban with a lift and the chrome bumpers of death. I pee a little every time I see one of them.

Other than that, buy what you will. It's your money, not mine to bitch about.

 

[AMCRambler]

There is basically no reason to hate on the trucks any less than the SUV's. Yes it can be used to move things an SUV can't, they can also tow heavier loads and may be used for work. The same thing can be said for an SUV vs a car so those points are all really moot. Trucks get terrible gas mileage as well and should incur the same greenminded wrath as an SUV.