Who cares?

[mugs]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: J Heartless Slick

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Who cares?
So, another black wants to be the first black to break the color barrier. Well he's not because if you read the story there have been others before him, and Who cares if he is the first Black ,fist Chinese, first Italian or whatever., it's just Nascar(As if it is an achievement to be a race car driver).. You know Lester why don't you go be the first of something that will benefit all people instead of just your selfish black skin. Loser. And don't call me racist when it is he who brought up his skin color. I'm sorry that I may sound harsh in this post , but seriously fvck this guyand his dreams. It is not newsworthy.

Why do you care about this?

oh snap :laugh:

:thumbsup: (Because he doesn't like brown people )

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: vshah
can i aspire to be the first indian pimp?

you go

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
I think it's important for minorities in disadvantaged positions to see fellow minorities succeed in life - there's a basic need for role models in the black community. For him to be successful in a white sport is a good thing.

<<<------- is a minority but don't really care for the role model crap.

IF YOU want something bad enough, YOU HAVE to work for it ON YOUR OWN. Stop crying and blaming on others. It is YOUR life, it is YOUR responsibilty.

Try explaining that to a young black kid who sees nobody of his race in a particular field - how do you expect someone to be ambitious about advancing themselves when the perception is that he can't?

Your tokenism isn't going to help him.

i'd make something of myself if i saw a black guy racing nascar! yeah!

please.

Really who is this Ryan jerk

Have you showed any kind of logic in this thread?

No I havn't. I merely voiced my opinion about this wannabe trailblazer for the"rights of man".

Then you are the most dangerous person in this thread - one who has unfounded opinions and can't back them up with evidence or logic.

It's just my opinion, which you clearly don't agree with. Fine . I don't think his racing cars in circles whetther he is black, brown, off-brown or whatever is a big deal.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Ryan
I've done some extensive studying about racial inequality in the US - and it just boggles my mind how UNINFORMED people can be when it comes to the issue of race. I don't have a problem with people having opinions - but when they're unfounded and ignorant, expect some heat.

So when someone says they are sick of how the poor communities only seem to want to play sports, sing music, or deal drugs to be successful and you chime in how minorities have had it so rough, they are the ones ignoring the facts?

I will look for the thread where this happened. If I find it, I will post it here.

Poor communities push for their children to be involved in sports/singing because they percieve it as their only way out of poverty. When black children grow up seeing more black people excelling in sports, etc, than in places like the sciences, being executives, or in government, what kind of message does it send to them?

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

I grew up in San Francisco, Cal. in the 60's. You havn't backed shvt up.
This guy driving around in circles isn't helping you or anyone else. Like I said big deal if he is the "first black" to drive around in circles.

umm. Being there is different then from being a 3rd party observer and studying the situation.

You haven't backed up anything as of yet. You CLAIM to have a valid argument, yet you vehemently resort to some sort of childish attitude.

Based off of just reaction/responses alone, you're losing. This whole racialmumbojumbo/article aside, you are losing this argument and making a fool out of yourself by replying in such a lowly manner.

Next time: Go get informed first, back up your statements, and reply in a more formal, and mannered manner.

namecalling, and having some sort of angry tone is no way to start any form of discussion. it's like, you're just asking for it.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
Wow, Ryan puts up his points, and now you guys resort to some stupid namecalling.

he has his points, move on. No rebuttle. I have no real say in this, really though. I'm a "minority" in a state where we're not really a "minority," --> California.

But one FACT is that in US history, it wasn't until this last 50 or so years that we've actually began to implement this whole notion of racial equality in the US.

If other races want to make a mark in US soil, which is still predominantly white, more power to them.


This shouldn't be a flame-material topic.


Hell, why even bring the subject up, and get everyone all riled up?


And all of you gangbanging against one person is fun? way to go you ethugs wooo.
Ryan makes a point, and Manybeers returns w/ a very very weak rebuttle --> "...jerk." lol, ok.


I suggest that this thread gets locked. It's pointless, doesn't prove anything, and people will always stay true to their own opinions in which they feel strongly about. Just blabbering it out in public doesn't solve anything.


EDIT:

another thing:
This black racecar driver most likely DID NOT ask for to be interviewed, or get an article written after him. Some media nutcase looked at the situation, and thought it'd generate an "interesting" article for people to read. I mean, writers need food and shelter too right?

If you want to blame anyone, just blame that writer/webpage/whateverthefvck-itis..
just not the athlete.

actually, why b!tch and moan all the time? why not just go out and make a name for yourself? As far as I know, most likely that racecar driver is more succcessful than you. ((just being blunt there.., sorry)).

You may be right, but he was quoted"I'm a racer," Lester said. "But now I realize that I have a unique opportunity and responsibility to make a change." so he participated. Change for what. For blacks? Yeah the world needs more black men driving around in circles.

 

[destrekor]

see people bringing up the whole 'first black to do blah' thing, are only asking for racism. i am not racist, and one certain black male (forgot who), once said that there should be no black history month... because its degrading to limit learning black history to one month of the year. it should be any day of the year, whenever the subject matter is appropriate in classes. i whole heartidly agree, and feel that when blacks set out to become the first to do something, are only doing it for the history, and not putting their heart into it. i dont feel C. Rice or Powell did what they have done for the hell of it; they love their country and would do whatever needs to be done in the name of the country. thats what it should be like. but being the first black driver, wow.. what the hell does that do for the country for the history other than put your name out there. the first step to fighting racism is forgetting about color and doing what that person wants to do. bringing color into the equation simply encourages racism.
it will be nice for one day specific color barriers don't exist.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Jackie Robinson, Tiger Woods, Venus and Serena Williams all broke into thier respective sports by working thier way up and being great at it. They earned thier respect. This guy just has money and bought his way in. All of these young NASCAR drivers have been kicking ass since they were able to operate a toilet. They start with stuff like karts, wrenching on cars, hanging out. It takes years of work. Start with Midgets, sprint, world of outlaws, short track, pro cup, supertrucks, busch, and then Nextel Cup.

Junior's the only race car driver that I see that got more respect than he earned. There's alot of guys out there that get no respect, but earn a lot. Money doesn't buy real respect.

The reason why we don't see any black NASCAR drivers is because we don't see many in the lower ranks. No amount of money is going to make me win a race. No amount of money is going to make me get respect in NASCAR. And like other publicity stunt, it'll most likely show itself after a race or two if he has what it takes.

<-- doesn't give away respect

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan
I think it's important for minorities in disadvantaged positions to see fellow minorities succeed in life - there's a basic need for role models in the black community. For him to be successful in a white sport is a good thing.

You might not care, but I'm sure many other people out there do.

i think it's important for disadvantaged people to get a job. and i don't think they are all going to be nascar drivers. so yeah.

I agree with both statements actually.

Ryan, I see your perspective. I actually enjoy seeing asian-americans in the television entertainment industry, of which I know a few. It is inspiring to see Asians that don't fit the stereotypical East Asian persona in television and movies, so I see your point. It does elevate and give opportunities for more minorities in that field, but you have to admit fisher has a point of many poor communities out there. It seems education has become defunct in many of those communities. Now sports, music, entertainment, and the drug industry seems to be the only viable careers in many of the poor communities minds, which is ridiculous.

If you read the article fisher, you will see the driver worked a corporate management job at HP for a while before getting into Nascar driving. He was successful in the business world as well. More props to the guy.

actually i have no problems with anyone driving in nascar (it's about the lamest ~sport~ out there). but the dude isn't a hero. he didn't bust ass from a young age in his go cart he bought with lawn mowing money and grow up to be a great driver. he was rich already and decided to take up a hobby. to me a hero gets into something because of his talent, not his ability to buy his way in. that's the wrong message imho.

That is a misguided estimation. None of us have enough information on this guys life to make a judgement call like that. Maybe he worked his way up to becoming very successful in the corporate world. So he "bought" his way into Nascar driver, as you so eloquently put it. :roll: Who cares? If he is trying to elevate the way people view his culture, why should he be despised? Maybe, he had to work hard for everything he had, how do we know?

His culture?He's an Americam same culture as mine and yours. What are you talking about?

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Hahahaha. OP is getting pwned.

No I'm not.

 

[wvtalbot]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Hahahaha. OP is getting pwned.

No I'm not.

Bottom line:

You are a racist POS.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Ryan
I've done some extensive studying about racial inequality in the US - and it just boggles my mind how UNINFORMED people can be when it comes to the issue of race. I don't have a problem with people having opinions - but when they're unfounded and ignorant, expect some heat.

So when someone says they are sick of how the poor communities only seem to want to play sports, sing music, or deal drugs to be successful and you chime in how minorities have had it so rough, they are the ones ignoring the facts?

I will look for the thread where this happened. If I find it, I will post it here.

Poor communities push for their children to be involved in sports/singing because they percieve it as their only way out of poverty. When black children grow up seeing more black people excelling in sports, etc, than in places like the sciences, being executives, or in government, what kind of message does it send to them?

:roll:

And it is the white mans fault, how? Again poor communities need to take personal responsibility for remaining poor. It isn't the government's fault, they give enough aid to these places. It isn't the white man's fault, how are they supposed to be blamed for the poor communities not pursuing education? Take some gosh darn personal responsibility for G-d's sake. You have proven my point that you have a chip on your shoulder and a sense of entitlement. :roll: You think that the balck community is the only one that started out poor and oppressed in this society? The Chinese community was just as poor and just as oppressed in the early railroad and mining industry. Not only that many politically oppresed people that moved to the States started out with nothing and are successful now. They got less aid from the government and "white man" than black and hispanics. And the Asian community still gets less aid than these races. Especially in student aid. When my dad got laid off and the stock market crashed, I had to work two jobs (14+ hours a day just to make enough to scrounge for college because my student loans were just loand and not grants even though my family fit the financial bracket at the time). :| I didn't complain about it and I am a better person for it.

I remember a guy tried to make public schools into corporations so that he could improve the education system in America, it went bust because he targetted poor communities and the poor communities protested and retalitated by boycotting the schools. Again, the guy was losing tons of money trying to revamp the education systems (he was a rich white guy). And he went bankrupt a few years ago because of the hostility.

**EDIT**
BTW, my mom took up two jobs during that time as well, so that they could help me out with my housing while in college. She worked 6/7 days a week 12-14 hour days. Don't get me started on how hard you or the black community had it because I have a few "sob" WHAMbulance stories myself. Who cares? Move on with your life and stop going around with a chip on your dang shoulders.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Being the first black person in NASCAR will be a step forward in race relations. NASCAR has long been branded as a white southern thing, and it's getting old. Listen to this (NSFW) if you don't believe me. He's not thinking of himself, but of race relations in general. How can you fault someone for wanting to make the world a more understanding place? I applaud him.

He's not the first!!!! Get the hell out of here with that crap. He's not thinking of himself!! Are you kidding? Grow up apologist.

this thread needs a lock.

Get off my case. Seriously, if you don't like the subject matter Take A Hike.

mosh has had an air of superiority and self importance lately. i think we all know what that means.

God I'll say. Maybe she's on the rag.

 

[PingSpike]

Well I for one think its a good thing to finally see minorities in the fight to become king sh|t of turd mountain.

 

[Jzero]

Apparently what the world truly needs is the first black WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHmbulance driver.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan
I think it's important for minorities in disadvantaged positions to see fellow minorities succeed in life - there's a basic need for role models in the black community. For him to be successful in a white sport is a good thing.

You might not care, but I'm sure many other people out there do.

i think it's important for disadvantaged people to get a job. and i don't think they are all going to be nascar drivers. so yeah.

I agree with both statements actually.

Ryan, I see your perspective. I actually enjoy seeing asian-americans in the television entertainment industry, of which I know a few. It is inspiring to see Asians that don't fit the stereotypical East Asian persona in television and movies, so I see your point. It does elevate and give opportunities for more minorities in that field, but you have to admit fisher has a point of many poor communities out there. It seems education has become defunct in many of those communities. Now sports, music, entertainment, and the drug industry seems to be the only viable careers in many of the poor communities minds, which is ridiculous.

If you read the article fisher, you will see the driver worked a corporate management job at HP for a while before getting into Nascar driving. He was successful in the business world as well. More props to the guy.

actually i have no problems with anyone driving in nascar (it's about the lamest ~sport~ out there). but the dude isn't a hero. he didn't bust ass from a young age in his go cart he bought with lawn mowing money and grow up to be a great driver. he was rich already and decided to take up a hobby. to me a hero gets into something because of his talent, not his ability to buy his way in. that's the wrong message imho.

That is a misguided estimation. None of us have enough information on this guys life to make a judgement call like that. Maybe he worked his way up to becoming very successful in the corporate world. So he "bought" his way into Nascar driver, as you so eloquently put it. :roll: Who cares? If he is trying to elevate the way people view his culture, why should he be despised? Maybe, he had to work hard for everything he had, how do we know?

i edited my post. i think it has less to do with being a racial champion than it does he just likes to race. he actually has his own website, you can read about the racing he's done over the years.

That's exactly my point,. If he wants to race fine but take this "first black' shvt and shove it.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I think the OP must really really hate Jackie Robinson.

Well, I never personally met him but I don't think him playing baseball for a living was a great achievement. I don't care for Jesse Jackson, but like Robinson i have never met him.

actually it's two different things. blacks weren't ALLOWED to play baseball with the whites. anyone who has talent can race. no one is holding blacks down in this case. hell it might be that most of them don't care about racing, ever thought about that?

I don't care if he wants to race. It was just his statement I'm a racer," Lester said. "But now I realize that I have a unique opportunity and responsibility to make a change." Change for Lester yeah. Like I said so what if another black guy wants to drive around in circles. He isn't doing anything for anybody but himself. So he shouldn't paint his decision to race as some heroic sacrifice he is making for others..

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: J Heartless Slick

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Who cares?
So, another black wants to be the first black to break the color barrier. Well he's not because if you read the story there have been others before him, and Who cares if he is the first Black ,fist Chinese, first Italian or whatever., it's just Nascar(As if it is an achievement to be a race car driver).. You know Lester why don't you go be the first of something that will benefit all people instead of just your selfish black skin. Loser. And don't call me racist when it is he who brought up his skin color. I'm sorry that I may sound harsh in this post , but seriously fvck this guyand his dreams. It is not newsworthy.

Why do you care about this?

It was just a topic for discussion. I didn't think it was newsworthy. Some black guy who wants to race cars in circles is important? Thats all.

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: Ryan
Poor communities push for their children to be involved in sports/singing because they percieve it as their only way out of poverty. When black children grow up seeing more black people excelling in sports, etc, than in places like the sciences, being executives, or in government, what kind of message does it send to them?

Black kids that want to be somebody in sciences, government, etc. will be brand as "acting white", "uncle tom" while other black kids that follow gangter rap and such are glorified as being cool, in crowd.

The old saying "you can lead a horse to the water but you can't make the horse to drink it" is so true. All I can tell to other minorities. Stop blaming society and others. Take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask "what have i done lately".

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
Poor communities push for their children to be involved in sports/singing because they percieve it as their only way out of poverty. When black children grow up seeing more black people excelling in sports, etc, than in places like the sciences, being executives, or in government, what kind of message does it send to them?

Black kids that want to be somebody in sciences, government, etc. will be brand as "acting white", "uncle tom" while other black kids that follow gangter rap and such are glorified as being cool, in crowd.

The old saying "you can lead a horse to the water but you can't make the horse to drink it" is so true. All I can tell to other minorities. Stop blaming society and others. Take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask "what have i done lately".

QFT

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Ryan
I've done some extensive studying about racial inequality in the US - and it just boggles my mind how UNINFORMED people can be when it comes to the issue of race. I don't have a problem with people having opinions - but when they're unfounded and ignorant, expect some heat.

So when someone says they are sick of how the poor communities only seem to want to play sports, sing music, or deal drugs to be successful and you chime in how minorities have had it so rough, they are the ones ignoring the facts?

I will look for the thread where this happened. If I find it, I will post it here.

Poor communities push for their children to be involved in sports/singing because they percieve it as their only way out of poverty. When black children grow up seeing more black people excelling in sports, etc, than in places like the sciences, being executives, or in government, what kind of message does it send to them?

isn't nascar a sport? so you should be condemning blacks in sports and telling them to go get real jobs right?

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

I grew up in San Francisco, Cal. in the 60's. You havn't backed shvt up.
This guy driving around in circles isn't helping you or anyone else. Like I said big deal if he is the "first black" to drive around in circles.

umm. Being there is different then from being a 3rd party observer and studying the situation.

You haven't backed up anything as of yet. You CLAIM to have a valid argument, yet you vehemently resort to some sort of childish attitude.

Based off of just reaction/responses alone, you're losing. This whole racialmumbojumbo/article aside, you are losing this argument and making a fool out of yourself by replying in such a lowly manner.

Next time: Go get informed first, back up your statements, and reply in a more formal, and mannered manner.

namecalling, and having some sort of angry tone is no way to start any form of discussion. it's like, you're just asking for it.

What are you talking about? What valid argument have I claimed other than I don' think this guys dreams of driving race cars in circles is newsworthy. Valid argument? I just posted an article and my opinion of the article.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: Ryan
I find it funny that white people are always the ones who bitch about people bringing up skin color. Face it - you're white, and privledged, and don't ever have the burden of being aware of your race on a daily basis.

Until you are a minority, you'll likely never understand what it's like to live as a minority in a society where white culture is the norm.

I'm glad you reminded us white folks on how much stuff we get. I mean good thing I'm white or else I would have to pay taxes, get a job, pay for a car, pay for food, or even pay for an education. Good thing my butler and maid are there or I would be lost.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: wvtalbot

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Hahahaha. OP is getting pwned.

No I'm not.

Bottom line:

You are a racist POS.

Whatever you say.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: Ryan
I find it funny that white people are always the ones who bitch about people bringing up skin color. Face it - you're white, and privledged, and don't ever have the burden of being aware of your race on a daily basis.

Until you are a minority, you'll likely never understand what it's like to live as a minority in a society where white culture is the norm.

I'm glad you reminded us white folks on how much stuff we get. I mean good thing I'm white or else I would have to pay taxes, get a job, pay for a car, pay for food, or even pay for an education. Good thing my butler and maid are there or I would be lost.

i'm still waiting to be handed my corporate 6 figure job. i'm 30 dammit, i'm not going to live forever! i need to get paid NOW!