Who cares?

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: loup garou
Somebody's awfully angry for "not caring."

Good point, I don't care about him or his selfish dreams but the issue I do care about. Boy Bill Lester is the first famous "Black Nascar Driver". Thats what I don't care about.

I may be missing somthing, but "boy?" I hope that was just unintelligible like the rest of your post and not what it sounds like.

If you're going to post about something like this, it's in your best interest to choose your words carefully.

i believe he means that like "oh boy". stop looking for racism where it's not.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Ryan
I find it funny that white people are always the ones who bitch about people bringing up skin color. Face it - you're white, and privledged, and don't ever have the burden of being aware of your race on a daily basis.

Until you are a minority, you'll likely never understand what it's like to live as a minority in a society where white culture is the norm.

I got chased around my old neighborhood by older people who were in middle school and high school when I was in Elementary, while they all called me "beloved patriot" and would try to beat me up (they could never catch me though, ignorant punks), and I don't care. So white people are a little priviledged, and minorities have had it rough, and blah blah blah, deal with it and move on with your life. Life is unfair. When you realize this, things come into perspective. Instead of whining about it, make a name for yourself and be successful and be happy with your own life. The race card gets used way too much, like probably in this case, but if the guy genuinely think he is building up people perspective of the African-American race, more props to him.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
I think it's important for minorities in disadvantaged positions to see fellow minorities succeed in life - there's a basic need for role models in the black community. For him to be successful in a white sport is a good thing.

<<<------- is a minority but don't really care for the role model crap.

IF YOU want something bad enough, YOU HAVE to work for it ON YOUR OWN. Stop crying and blaming on others. It is YOUR life, it is YOUR responsibilty.

Try explaining that to a young black kid who sees nobody of his race in a particular field - how do you expect someone to be ambitious about advancing themselves when the perception is that he can't?

Your tokenism isn't going to help him.

i'd make something of myself if i saw a black guy racing nascar! yeah!

please.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
good for him. i hope he makes it. just like Danica Patrick, i like to see different races/sexes join in where they haven't gone before.

I don't watch Nascar, maybe you do, so unlike you I don't think it is improtant about the races of the individual participants. This guy isn't a hero lady, and he isn't benefitting anybody but himself, not blacks ,not whites ,not chinese, not whoever

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: Ryan
Try explaining that to a young black kid who sees nobody of his race in a particular field - how do you expect someone to be ambitious about advancing themselves when the perception is that he can't?

Your tokenism isn't going to help him.

Ok, how about tell him/her to be like Collin Powell <general>, Bill Cosby <famous comedian>, C. Rice <secretary of state>, C. Thomas <supreme court justice>....shall I go on?

How about tell him NOT calling women as BITCHES/WHORES/SLUTS and not running around screwing them and then run away from responsibilty if the women got pregant. How about tell him not to be idollized by the likes of 50 cents and gangster rappers.

How about tell him NOT to get the short cuts by selling/dealing drugs but study and work hard to be someone that his mom and dad can be proud of.

Sorry but VICTIMIZATION is getting old. Slavery was over years ago.

Cry me a river then build a bridge then GET OVER it and move on with your life.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: mugs
He's not just breaking the color barrier, he's breaking the redneck barrier!


Edit: How exactly is he making NASCAR history though?

He isn't, thats the point.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: moshquerade
good for him. i hope he makes it. just like Danica Patrick, i like to see different races/sexes join in where they haven't gone before.

I don't watch Nascar, maybe you do, so unlike you I don't think it is improtant about the races of the individual participants. This guy isn't a hero lady, and he isn't benefitting anybody but himself, not blacks ,not whites ,not chinese, not whoever

listen up: you are entitled to your opinion and as you can see i didn't smack you down for it.

but don't discount other opinions like yours is the only correct one. got it?

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Ryan
I find it funny that white people are always the ones who bitch about people bringing up skin color. Face it - you're white, and privledged, and don't ever have the burden of being aware of your race on a daily basis.

Until you are a minority, you'll likely never understand what it's like to live as a minority in a society where white culture is the norm.

I got chased around my old neighborhood by older people who were in middle school and high school when I was in Elementary, while they all called me "beloved patriot" and would try to beat me up (they could never catch me though, ignorant punks), and I don't care. So white people are a little priviledged, and minorities have had it rough, and blah blah blah, deal with it and move on with your life. Life is unfair. When you realize this, things come into perspective. Instead of whining about it, make a name for yourself and be successful and be happy with your own life. The race card gets used way too much, like probably in this case, but if the guy genuinely think he is building up people perspective of the African-American race, more props to him.

I don't understand what's wrong about trying to bring balance to inequality.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: loup garou
Somebody's awfully angry for "not caring."

Good point, I don't care about him or his selfish dreams but the issue I do care about. Boy Bill Lester is the first famous "Black Nascar Driver". Thats what I don't care about.

I may be missing somthing, but "boy?" I hope that was just unintelligible like the rest of your post and not what it sounds like.

If you're going to post about something like this, it's in your best interest to choose your words carefully.

i believe he means that like "oh boy". stop looking for racism where it's not.

Yes, I meant big deal that this "black guy " is a Nascar hero. So what. What difference does his skin color make. Anybody can drive a car .

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: Ryan
Maybe so - but fat and ugly people aren't races of people.

What ethnicity are you?
[ ] Caucasian
[ ] African American
[ ] Asian
[ ] Native American
[ ] Fat
[ ] Hispanic
[ ] Ugly
[ ] Other _____

 

[chuckywang]

Being the first black person in NASCAR will be a step forward in race relations. NASCAR has long been branded as a white southern thing, and it's getting old. Listen to this (NSFW) if you don't believe me. He's not thinking of himself, but of race relations in general. How can you fault someone for wanting to make the world a more understanding place? I applaud him.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
Try explaining that to a young black kid who sees nobody of his race in a particular field - how do you expect someone to be ambitious about advancing themselves when the perception is that he can't?

Your tokenism isn't going to help him.

Ok, how about tell him/her to be like Collin Powell <general>, Bill Cosby <famous comedian>, C. Rice <secretary of state>, C. Thomas <supreme court justice>....shall I go on?

How about tell him NOT calling women as BITCHES/WHORES/SLUTS and not running around screwing them and then run away from responsibilty if the women got pregant. How about tell him not to be idollized by the likes of 50 cents and gangster rappers.

Sorry but VICTIMIZATION is getting old. Slavery was over years ago.

But ignoring the effects of slavery and CURRENT racism in America only fosters the problem. Don't think racism still exists? Move down here to the south, where it's still alive and well.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: loup garou
Somebody's awfully angry for "not caring."

Good point, I don't care about him or his selfish dreams but the issue I do care about. Boy Bill Lester is the first famous "Black Nascar Driver". Thats what I don't care about.

I may be missing somthing, but "boy?" I hope that was just unintelligible like the rest of your post and not what it sounds like.

If you're going to post about something like this, it's in your best interest to choose your words carefully.

i believe he means that like "oh boy". stop looking for racism where it's not.

Yes, I meant big deal that this "black guy " is a Nascar hero. So what. What difference does his skin color make. Anybody can drive a car .

what difference does it make for a woman to drive in the NASCAR series? same scenerio - it's great to see other races/sexes joining in.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
I think it's important for minorities in disadvantaged positions to see fellow minorities succeed in life - there's a basic need for role models in the black community. For him to be successful in a white sport is a good thing.

<<<------- is a minority but don't really care for the role model crap.

IF YOU want something bad enough, YOU HAVE to work for it ON YOUR OWN. Stop crying and blaming on others. It is YOUR life, it is YOUR responsibilty.

Try explaining that to a young black kid who sees nobody of his race in a particular field - how do you expect someone to be ambitious about advancing themselves when the perception is that he can't?

Your tokenism isn't going to help him.

i'd make something of myself if i saw a black guy racing nascar! yeah!

please.

Really who is this Ryan jerk

 

[j00fek]

Originally posted by: Syrch
pulls up a chair and gets some popcorn....


Let the flames begin

:thumbsup:

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan
I think it's important for minorities in disadvantaged positions to see fellow minorities succeed in life - there's a basic need for role models in the black community. For him to be successful in a white sport is a good thing.

You might not care, but I'm sure many other people out there do.

i think it's important for disadvantaged people to get a job. and i don't think they are all going to be nascar drivers. so yeah.

I agree with both statements actually.

Ryan, I see your perspective. I actually enjoy seeing asian-americans in the television entertainment industry, of which I know a few. It is inspiring to see Asians that don't fit the stereotypical East Asian persona in television and movies, so I see your point. It does elevate and give opportunities for more minorities in that field, but you have to admit fisher has a point of many poor communities out there. It seems education has become defunct in many of those communities. Now sports, music, entertainment, and the drug industry seems to be the only viable careers in many of the poor communities minds, which is ridiculous.

If you read the article fisher, you will see the driver worked a corporate management job at HP for a while before getting into Nascar driving. He was successful in the business world as well. More props to the guy.

 

[EmperorIQ]

Originally posted by: Ryan
I find it funny that white people are always the ones who bitch about people bringing up skin color. Face it - you're white, and privledged, and don't ever have the burden of being aware of your race on a daily basis.

Until you are a minority, you'll likely never understand what it's like to live as a minority in a society where white culture is the norm.

:roll: I'm a minority btw

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
I think it's important for minorities in disadvantaged positions to see fellow minorities succeed in life - there's a basic need for role models in the black community. For him to be successful in a white sport is a good thing.

<<<------- is a minority but don't really care for the role model crap.

IF YOU want something bad enough, YOU HAVE to work for it ON YOUR OWN. Stop crying and blaming on others. It is YOUR life, it is YOUR responsibilty.

Try explaining that to a young black kid who sees nobody of his race in a particular field - how do you expect someone to be ambitious about advancing themselves when the perception is that he can't?

Your tokenism isn't going to help him.

i'd make something of myself if i saw a black guy racing nascar! yeah!

please.

Really who is this Ryan jerk

this is your thread. don't turn it into a flamefest.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
I think it's important for minorities in disadvantaged positions to see fellow minorities succeed in life - there's a basic need for role models in the black community. For him to be successful in a white sport is a good thing.

<<<------- is a minority but don't really care for the role model crap.

IF YOU want something bad enough, YOU HAVE to work for it ON YOUR OWN. Stop crying and blaming on others. It is YOUR life, it is YOUR responsibilty.

Try explaining that to a young black kid who sees nobody of his race in a particular field - how do you expect someone to be ambitious about advancing themselves when the perception is that he can't?

Your tokenism isn't going to help him.

i'd make something of myself if i saw a black guy racing nascar! yeah!

please.

Really who is this Ryan jerk

Have you showed any kind of logic in this thread?

 

[Jzero]

He walked away from a six-figure job to pursue his dream of being a race car driver, not even thinking about the chance to leave his mark on history.

It's not like he woke up this morning and wrote out a list of activities where blacks are underrepresented and said "Hockey? Too physical. Downhill skiing? Too cold. Figure skating? Too effeminate. Swimming? Who wants to wear a Speedo all the time? Racing! Hey, I could do that! Honey! I'm going to be the first major black racecar driver!"

"That's nice, Bill..."

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Being the first black person in NASCAR will be a step forward in race relations. NASCAR has long been branded as a white southern thing, and it's getting old. Listen to this (NSFW) if you don't believe me. He's not thinking of himself, but of race relations in general. How can you fault someone for wanting to make the world a more understanding place? I applaud him.

He's not the first!!!! Get the hell out of here with that crap. He's not thinking of himself!! Are you kidding? Grow up apologist.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Ryan
I find it funny that white people are always the ones who bitch about people bringing up skin color. Face it - you're white, and privledged, and don't ever have the burden of being aware of your race on a daily basis.

Until you are a minority, you'll likely never understand what it's like to live as a minority in a society where white culture is the norm.

I got chased around my old neighborhood by older people who were in middle school and high school when I was in Elementary, while they all called me "beloved patriot" and would try to beat me up (they could never catch me though, ignorant punks), and I don't care. So white people are a little priviledged, and minorities have had it rough, and blah blah blah, deal with it and move on with your life. Life is unfair. When you realize this, things come into perspective. Instead of whining about it, make a name for yourself and be successful and be happy with your own life. The race card gets used way too much, like probably in this case, but if the guy genuinely think he is building up people perspective of the African-American race, more props to him.

I don't understand what's wrong about trying to bring balance to inequality.

There is nothing wrong with that, but it seems you have a chip on your shoulder about it (from this thread as well as others). By all means social justice is a primary concern in todays society as well as in my own life (I even go to a church that is trying to become a multi-ethnic church), but it works both ways. You can't always play the race card everytime someone says something that is wrong with a racial culture (mostly it isn't a race thing but a poor thing, but sometimes it is a race thing).

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Being the first black person in NASCAR will be a step forward in race relations. NASCAR has long been branded as a white southern thing, and it's getting old. Listen to this (NSFW) if you don't believe me. He's not thinking of himself, but of race relations in general. How can you fault someone for wanting to make the world a more understanding place? I applaud him.

He's not the first!!!! Get the hell out of here with that crap. He's not thinking of himself!! Are you kidding? Grow up apologist.

this thread needs a lock.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
what difference does it make for a woman to drive in the NASCAR series? same scenerio - it's great to see other races/sexes joining in.

There's been women in NASCAR racing, but they were no Shirley Muldowny or Lyn St. James. They were out there just to drive with 42 other people who wanted to win. All the money and all the publicity in the world won't give someone the drive they need to win.

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: Ryan
But ignoring the effects of slavery and CURRENT racism in America only fosters the problem. Don't think racism still exists? Move down here to the south, where it's still alive and well.

I moved to the US and live in the South for the last 20 years. I haven't live anywhere else but the South.

I went to HS then college then grad school for my MBA. Been there, done that in dealing with those ignorant in breed rednecks. No one is dispute that being a minority is touch and all but if you want to be somebody, you HAVE TO work hard for it. Stop looking for an excuse.