Who cares?

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Being the first black person in NASCAR will be a step forward in race relations. NASCAR has long been branded as a white southern thing, and it's getting old. Listen to this (NSFW) if you don't believe me. He's not thinking of himself, but of race relations in general. How can you fault someone for wanting to make the world a more understanding place? I applaud him.

He's not the first!!!! Get the hell out of here with that crap. He's not thinking of himself!! Are you kidding? Grow up apologist.

Who is the first?

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Being the first black person in NASCAR will be a step forward in race relations. NASCAR has long been branded as a white southern thing, and it's getting old. Listen to this (NSFW) if you don't believe me. He's not thinking of himself, but of race relations in general. How can you fault someone for wanting to make the world a more understanding place? I applaud him.

I guess the driver has a very good agenda, props to him.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: moshquerade
good for him. i hope he makes it. just like Danica Patrick, i like to see different races/sexes join in where they haven't gone before.

I don't watch Nascar, maybe you do, so unlike you I don't think it is improtant about the races of the individual participants. This guy isn't a hero lady, and he isn't benefitting anybody but himself, not blacks ,not whites ,not chinese, not whoever

listen up: you are entitled to your opinion and as you can see i didn't smack you down for it.

but don't discount other opinions like yours is the only correct one. got it?

Ok boss

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
But ignoring the effects of slavery and CURRENT racism in America only fosters the problem. Don't think racism still exists? Move down here to the south, where it's still alive and well.

I moved to the US and live in the South for the last 20 years. I haven't live anywhere else but the South.

I went to HS then college then grad school for my MBA. Been there, done that in dealing with those ignorant in breed rednecks. No one is dispute that being a minority is touch and all but if you want to be somebody, you HAVE TO work hard for it. Stop looking for an excuse.

Tokenism at it's best. :thumbsdown: What's wrong with him being a role model? Social barriers are hard cross for many people - why should a poor black kid have to work harder than a white one to elevate himself in this society? Where's the fairness in that?

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: loup garou
Somebody's awfully angry for "not caring."

Good point, I don't care about him or his selfish dreams but the issue I do care about. Boy Bill Lester is the first famous "Black Nascar Driver". Thats what I don't care about.

I may be missing somthing, but "boy?" I hope that was just unintelligible like the rest of your post and not what it sounds like.

If you're going to post about something like this, it's in your best interest to choose your words carefully.

i believe he means that like "oh boy". stop looking for racism where it's not.

Yes, I meant big deal that this "black guy " is a Nascar hero. So what. What difference does his skin color make. Anybody can drive a car .

what difference does it make for a woman to drive in the NASCAR series? same scenerio - it's great to see other races/sexes joining in.

Sure, Women want to be equals in all jobs right? Women and black men aren't the eame thing. Why the comparison?

 

[Brazen]

From the article:

"He walked away from a six-figure job"

Yeah, he's really been oppressed by racism.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: j00fek

Originally posted by: Syrch
pulls up a chair and gets some popcorn....


Let the flames begin

:thumbsup:

There are no flames here guy.

 

[chuckywang]

I think the OP must really really hate Jackie Robinson.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
Try explaining that to a young black kid who sees nobody of his race in a particular field - how do you expect someone to be ambitious about advancing themselves when the perception is that he can't?

Your tokenism isn't going to help him.

Ok, how about tell him/her to be like Collin Powell <general>, Bill Cosby <famous comedian>, C. Rice <secretary of state>, C. Thomas <supreme court justice>....shall I go on?

How about tell him NOT calling women as BITCHES/WHORES/SLUTS and not running around screwing them and then run away from responsibilty if the women got pregant. How about tell him not to be idollized by the likes of 50 cents and gangster rappers.

Sorry but VICTIMIZATION is getting old. Slavery was over years ago.

But ignoring the effects of slavery and CURRENT racism in America only fosters the problem. Don't think racism still exists? Move down here to the south, where it's still alive and well.

maybe at your house. at my house we try to discourage things like that. it's bad for the kids and all. maybe you spend too much time worrying about it.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Brazen
From the article:

"He walked away from a six-figure job"

Yeah, he's really been oppressed by racism.

How do you know what obstacles he had to face to get in that position?

Take a look at these census statistics: http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/p23-210.pdf - look at the disparity between pay for educated blacks/hispanics and whites. I can guarantee that he most likely had to work harder than a white guy making the same amount of money.

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
But ignoring the effects of slavery and CURRENT racism in America only fosters the problem. Don't think racism still exists? Move down here to the south, where it's still alive and well.

I moved to the US and live in the South for the last 20 years. I haven't live anywhere else but the South.

I went to HS then college then grad school for my MBA. Been there, done that in dealing with those ignorant in breed rednecks. No one is dispute that being a minority is touch and all but if you want to be somebody, you HAVE TO work hard for it. Stop looking for an excuse.

Tokenism at it's best. :thumbsdown: What's wrong with him being a role model?

Nothing wrong with him being a role model. But I do have issue with you and the like of you that think black folks/minority need to have role models in order to be someone in life. Balony.

I have Asian background. I don't see much Asians in sports, tv, movies, etc. then guess I will have no choice but to sell drugs and bang 20 different women and get them pregnant as fast as I can. Darn those KKK make me do that....LOL.

EDIT to response to your edit: Life IS NOT FAIR. If we live in a perfect world, then everyone will be equal but we don't. I am not bashing you for feeling compassion for those disadvance kids but I was one too but I don't blame the ...*system...men...kkk...boogey men..etc* for any obstacles in life.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
Try explaining that to a young black kid who sees nobody of his race in a particular field - how do you expect someone to be ambitious about advancing themselves when the perception is that he can't?

Your tokenism isn't going to help him.

Ok, how about tell him/her to be like Collin Powell <general>, Bill Cosby <famous comedian>, C. Rice <secretary of state>, C. Thomas <supreme court justice>....shall I go on?

How about tell him NOT calling women as BITCHES/WHORES/SLUTS and not running around screwing them and then run away from responsibilty if the women got pregant. How about tell him not to be idollized by the likes of 50 cents and gangster rappers.

Sorry but VICTIMIZATION is getting old. Slavery was over years ago.

But ignoring the effects of slavery and CURRENT racism in America only fosters the problem. Don't think racism still exists? Move down here to the south, where it's still alive and well.

maybe at your house. at my house we try to discourage things like that. it's bad for the kids and all. maybe you spend too much time worrying about it.

It must be nice to live in such a simple world as yourself, ignoring the facts and all.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
I think it's important for minorities in disadvantaged positions to see fellow minorities succeed in life - there's a basic need for role models in the black community. For him to be successful in a white sport is a good thing.

<<<------- is a minority but don't really care for the role model crap.

IF YOU want something bad enough, YOU HAVE to work for it ON YOUR OWN. Stop crying and blaming on others. It is YOUR life, it is YOUR responsibilty.

Try explaining that to a young black kid who sees nobody of his race in a particular field - how do you expect someone to be ambitious about advancing themselves when the perception is that he can't?

Your tokenism isn't going to help him.

i'd make something of myself if i saw a black guy racing nascar! yeah!

please.

Really who is this Ryan jerk

this is your thread. don't turn it into a flamefest.

I havn't, he is a jerk and you are not the thread police. You don't like my opinions you have made that clear.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
But ignoring the effects of slavery and CURRENT racism in America only fosters the problem. Don't think racism still exists? Move down here to the south, where it's still alive and well.

I moved to the US and live in the South for the last 20 years. I haven't live anywhere else but the South.

I went to HS then college then grad school for my MBA. Been there, done that in dealing with those ignorant in breed rednecks. No one is dispute that being a minority is touch and all but if you want to be somebody, you HAVE TO work hard for it. Stop looking for an excuse.

Tokenism at it's best. :thumbsdown: What's wrong with him being a role model?

Nothing wrong with him being a role model. But I do have issue with you and the like of you that think black folks/minority need to have role models in order to be someone in life. Balony.

I have Asian background. I don't see much Asians in sports, tv, movies, etc. then guess I will have no choice but to sell drugs and bang 20 different women and get them pregnant as fast as I can. Darn those KKK make me do that....LOL.

I never said that.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: Brazen
From the article:

"He walked away from a six-figure job"

Yeah, he's really been oppressed by racism.

Hey, he grew up in the hood (of an Abercrombie and Fitch sweater). Living on the streets. (Wall Street). He once had to pop a cap (off a bottle) just to get a drink (of imported beer). One day he was rolling through the ghetto (at 75MPH on the 405) in his hooptie (Mercedes SL500) and somebody started to disrespect him (tailgating). So he did what he had to do! (change lanes) You can't fault a brother for just taking care of buisness (talking on the cell phone).

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan
I think it's important for minorities in disadvantaged positions to see fellow minorities succeed in life - there's a basic need for role models in the black community. For him to be successful in a white sport is a good thing.

You might not care, but I'm sure many other people out there do.

i think it's important for disadvantaged people to get a job. and i don't think they are all going to be nascar drivers. so yeah.

I agree with both statements actually.

Ryan, I see your perspective. I actually enjoy seeing asian-americans in the television entertainment industry, of which I know a few. It is inspiring to see Asians that don't fit the stereotypical East Asian persona in television and movies, so I see your point. It does elevate and give opportunities for more minorities in that field, but you have to admit fisher has a point of many poor communities out there. It seems education has become defunct in many of those communities. Now sports, music, entertainment, and the drug industry seems to be the only viable careers in many of the poor communities minds, which is ridiculous.

If you read the article fisher, you will see the driver worked a corporate management job at HP for a while before getting into Nascar driving. He was successful in the business world as well. More props to the guy.

actually i have no problems with anyone driving in nascar (it's about the lamest ~sport~ out there). but the dude isn't a hero. he didn't bust ass from a young age in his go cart he bought with lawn mowing money and grow up to be a great driver. he was rich already and decided to take up a hobby. to me a hero gets into something because of his talent, not his ability to buy his way in. that's the wrong message imho.

edit: after reading his bio it seems he DOES have a passion for racing at least, which makes him a bit more legit. he's paid his dues in the lesser circuits.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
I think it's important for minorities in disadvantaged positions to see fellow minorities succeed in life - there's a basic need for role models in the black community. For him to be successful in a white sport is a good thing.

<<<------- is a minority but don't really care for the role model crap.

IF YOU want something bad enough, YOU HAVE to work for it ON YOUR OWN. Stop crying and blaming on others. It is YOUR life, it is YOUR responsibilty.

Try explaining that to a young black kid who sees nobody of his race in a particular field - how do you expect someone to be ambitious about advancing themselves when the perception is that he can't?

Your tokenism isn't going to help him.

i'd make something of myself if i saw a black guy racing nascar! yeah!

please.

Really who is this Ryan jerk

this is your thread. don't turn it into a flamefest.

I havn't, he is a jerk and you are not the thread police. You don't like my opinions you have made that clear.

Wait wait - so I'm a jerk because I can back up my ideas with supported ethical facts? I have yet to see you post one reply to this thread that shows any credence or understanding of racial inequality in the US.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
I think it's important for minorities in disadvantaged positions to see fellow minorities succeed in life - there's a basic need for role models in the black community. For him to be successful in a white sport is a good thing.

<<<------- is a minority but don't really care for the role model crap.

IF YOU want something bad enough, YOU HAVE to work for it ON YOUR OWN. Stop crying and blaming on others. It is YOUR life, it is YOUR responsibilty.

Try explaining that to a young black kid who sees nobody of his race in a particular field - how do you expect someone to be ambitious about advancing themselves when the perception is that he can't?

Your tokenism isn't going to help him.

i'd make something of myself if i saw a black guy racing nascar! yeah!

please.

Really who is this Ryan jerk

this is your thread. don't turn it into a flamefest.

I havn't, he is a jerk and you are not the thread police. You don't like my opinions you have made that clear.

how do you know i'm not the thread police? i just might have a badge.

and don't try the "poor me" - "you don't like my opinions". i have yet to speak out against your original post.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
I think it's important for minorities in disadvantaged positions to see fellow minorities succeed in life - there's a basic need for role models in the black community. For him to be successful in a white sport is a good thing.

<<<------- is a minority but don't really care for the role model crap.

IF YOU want something bad enough, YOU HAVE to work for it ON YOUR OWN. Stop crying and blaming on others. It is YOUR life, it is YOUR responsibilty.

Try explaining that to a young black kid who sees nobody of his race in a particular field - how do you expect someone to be ambitious about advancing themselves when the perception is that he can't?

Your tokenism isn't going to help him.

i'd make something of myself if i saw a black guy racing nascar! yeah!

please.

Really who is this Ryan jerk

Have you showed any kind of logic in this thread?

No I havn't. I merely voiced my opinion about this wannabe trailblazer for the"rights of man".

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
But ignoring the effects of slavery and CURRENT racism in America only fosters the problem. Don't think racism still exists? Move down here to the south, where it's still alive and well.

I moved to the US and live in the South for the last 20 years. I haven't live anywhere else but the South.

I went to HS then college then grad school for my MBA. Been there, done that in dealing with those ignorant in breed rednecks. No one is dispute that being a minority is touch and all but if you want to be somebody, you HAVE TO work hard for it. Stop looking for an excuse.

:thumbsup:

There are even places in Texas (Orange, TX) that if you are a minority and you drive through some neighborhoods, the people start to come out of their houses to point you to the freeway. It is kind of funny. So bass-ackwards. It is slowly changing though, and you have to realize most of these people are just ignorant, not really bad people (some are <just like in any other organization> but most are not).

One of my friends (who is asian and a geologist), ending up going to a part of Texas to study the rock structures and ended up hanging out with some skinheads. They even let him shoot a rifle at some target practice place. He told me he was slightly scared at first, but they turned out to be nice people, even though slightly ignorant.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
I think it's important for minorities in disadvantaged positions to see fellow minorities succeed in life - there's a basic need for role models in the black community. For him to be successful in a white sport is a good thing.

<<<------- is a minority but don't really care for the role model crap.

IF YOU want something bad enough, YOU HAVE to work for it ON YOUR OWN. Stop crying and blaming on others. It is YOUR life, it is YOUR responsibilty.

Try explaining that to a young black kid who sees nobody of his race in a particular field - how do you expect someone to be ambitious about advancing themselves when the perception is that he can't?

Your tokenism isn't going to help him.

i'd make something of myself if i saw a black guy racing nascar! yeah!

please.

Really who is this Ryan jerk

Have you showed any kind of logic in this thread?

No I havn't. I merely voiced my opinion about this wannabe trailblazer for the"rights of man".

Then you are the most dangerous person in this thread - one who has unfounded opinions and can't back them up with evidence or logic.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Ryan
I find it funny that white people are always the ones who bitch about people bringing up skin color. Face it - you're white, and privledged, and don't ever have the burden of being aware of your race on a daily basis.

Until you are a minority, you'll likely never understand what it's like to live as a minority in a society where white culture is the norm.

I got chased around my old neighborhood by older people who were in middle school and high school when I was in Elementary, while they all called me "beloved patriot" and would try to beat me up (they could never catch me though, ignorant punks), and I don't care. So white people are a little priviledged, and minorities have had it rough, and blah blah blah, deal with it and move on with your life. Life is unfair. When you realize this, things come into perspective. Instead of whining about it, make a name for yourself and be successful and be happy with your own life. The race card gets used way too much, like probably in this case, but if the guy genuinely think he is building up people perspective of the African-American race, more props to him.

I don't understand what's wrong about trying to bring balance to inequality.

There is nothing wrong with that, but it seems you have a chip on your shoulder about it (from this thread as well as others). By all means social justice is a primary concern in todays society as well as in my own life (I even go to a church that is trying to become a multi-ethnic church), but it works both ways. You can't always play the race card everytime someone says something that is wrong with a racial culture (mostly it isn't a race thing but a poor thing, but sometimes it is a race thing).

Exactly

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: moshquerade
what difference does it make for a woman to drive in the NASCAR series? same scenerio - it's great to see other races/sexes joining in.

There's been women in NASCAR racing, but they were no Shirley Muldowny or Lyn St. James. They were out there just to drive with 42 other people who wanted to win. All the money and all the publicity in the world won't give someone the drive they need to win.

DING DING DING!

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Being the first black person in NASCAR will be a step forward in race relations. NASCAR has long been branded as a white southern thing, and it's getting old. Listen to this (NSFW) if you don't believe me. He's not thinking of himself, but of race relations in general. How can you fault someone for wanting to make the world a more understanding place? I applaud him.

He's not the first!!!! Get the hell out of here with that crap. He's not thinking of himself!! Are you kidding? Grow up apologist.

this thread needs a lock.

Get off my case. Seriously, if you don't like the subject matter Take A Hike.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
But ignoring the effects of slavery and CURRENT racism in America only fosters the problem. Don't think racism still exists? Move down here to the south, where it's still alive and well.

I moved to the US and live in the South for the last 20 years. I haven't live anywhere else but the South.

I went to HS then college then grad school for my MBA. Been there, done that in dealing with those ignorant in breed rednecks. No one is dispute that being a minority is touch and all but if you want to be somebody, you HAVE TO work hard for it. Stop looking for an excuse.

Tokenism at it's best. :thumbsdown: What's wrong with him being a role model?

Nothing wrong with him being a role model. But I do have issue with you and the like of you that think black folks/minority need to have role models in order to be someone in life. Balony.

I have Asian background. I don't see much Asians in sports, tv, movies, etc. then guess I will have no choice but to sell drugs and bang 20 different women and get them pregnant as fast as I can. Darn those KKK make me do that....LOL.

I never said that.

Again, the way you post in these types of threads makes it at least seem you have a chip on your should about the issues.