Who cares?

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Being the first black person in NASCAR will be a step forward in race relations. NASCAR has long been branded as a white southern thing, and it's getting old. Listen to this (NSFW) if you don't believe me. He's not thinking of himself, but of race relations in general. How can you fault someone for wanting to make the world a more understanding place? I applaud him.

He's not the first!!!! Get the hell out of here with that crap. He's not thinking of himself!! Are you kidding? Grow up apologist.

Who is the first?

Read the Article!!!!

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
But ignoring the effects of slavery and CURRENT racism in America only fosters the problem. Don't think racism still exists? Move down here to the south, where it's still alive and well.

I moved to the US and live in the South for the last 20 years. I haven't live anywhere else but the South.

I went to HS then college then grad school for my MBA. Been there, done that in dealing with those ignorant in breed rednecks. No one is dispute that being a minority is touch and all but if you want to be somebody, you HAVE TO work hard for it. Stop looking for an excuse.

Tokenism at it's best. :thumbsdown: What's wrong with him being a role model? Social barriers are hard cross for many people - why should a poor black kid have to work harder than a white one to elevate himself in this society? Where's the fairness in that?

because no white poeple have to work hard to elevate themselves. seriously you need to stfu already. your arguments are so tired.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Being the first black person in NASCAR will be a step forward in race relations. NASCAR has long been branded as a white southern thing, and it's getting old. Listen to this (NSFW) if you don't believe me. He's not thinking of himself, but of race relations in general. How can you fault someone for wanting to make the world a more understanding place? I applaud him.

He's not the first!!!! Get the hell out of here with that crap. He's not thinking of himself!! Are you kidding? Grow up apologist.

this thread needs a lock.

Get off my case. Seriously, if you don't like the subject matter Take A Hike.

:roll:

ManyBeers: "if you don't agree with me. i don't want to hear it."

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
But ignoring the effects of slavery and CURRENT racism in America only fosters the problem. Don't think racism still exists? Move down here to the south, where it's still alive and well.

I moved to the US and live in the South for the last 20 years. I haven't live anywhere else but the South.

I went to HS then college then grad school for my MBA. Been there, done that in dealing with those ignorant in breed rednecks. No one is dispute that being a minority is touch and all but if you want to be somebody, you HAVE TO work hard for it. Stop looking for an excuse.

Tokenism at it's best. :thumbsdown: What's wrong with him being a role model? Social barriers are hard cross for many people - why should a poor black kid have to work harder than a white one to elevate himself in this society? Where's the fairness in that?[/q

Role model? In other words he being a black race car driver makes him a "rolemodel" but white men doing the same thing are not? Neither are role models, their just race car drivers.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Wow, Ryan puts up his points, and now you guys resort to some stupid namecalling.

he has his points, move on. No rebuttle. I have no real say in this, really though. I'm a "minority" in a state where we're not really a "minority," --> California.

But one FACT is that in US history, it wasn't until this last 50 or so years that we've actually began to implement this whole notion of racial equality in the US.

If other races want to make a mark in US soil, which is still predominantly white, more power to them.


This shouldn't be a flame-material topic.


Hell, why even bring the subject up, and get everyone all riled up?


And all of you gangbanging against one person is fun? way to go you ethugs wooo.
Ryan makes a point, and Manybeers returns w/ a very very weak rebuttle --> "...jerk." lol, ok.


I suggest that this thread gets locked. It's pointless, doesn't prove anything, and people will always stay true to their own opinions in which they feel strongly about. Just blabbering it out in public doesn't solve anything.


EDIT:

another thing:
This black racecar driver most likely DID NOT ask for to be interviewed, or get an article written after him. Some media nutcase looked at the situation, and thought it'd generate an "interesting" article for people to read. I mean, writers need food and shelter too right?

If you want to blame anyone, just blame that writer/webpage/whateverthefvck-itis..
just not the athlete.

actually, why b!tch and moan all the time? why not just go out and make a name for yourself? As far as I know, most likely that racecar driver is more succcessful than you. ((just being blunt there.., sorry)).

 

[chuckywang]

Hahahaha. OP is getting pwned.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan
I think it's important for minorities in disadvantaged positions to see fellow minorities succeed in life - there's a basic need for role models in the black community. For him to be successful in a white sport is a good thing.

You might not care, but I'm sure many other people out there do.

i think it's important for disadvantaged people to get a job. and i don't think they are all going to be nascar drivers. so yeah.

I agree with both statements actually.

Ryan, I see your perspective. I actually enjoy seeing asian-americans in the television entertainment industry, of which I know a few. It is inspiring to see Asians that don't fit the stereotypical East Asian persona in television and movies, so I see your point. It does elevate and give opportunities for more minorities in that field, but you have to admit fisher has a point of many poor communities out there. It seems education has become defunct in many of those communities. Now sports, music, entertainment, and the drug industry seems to be the only viable careers in many of the poor communities minds, which is ridiculous.

If you read the article fisher, you will see the driver worked a corporate management job at HP for a while before getting into Nascar driving. He was successful in the business world as well. More props to the guy.

actually i have no problems with anyone driving in nascar (it's about the lamest ~sport~ out there). but the dude isn't a hero. he didn't bust ass from a young age in his go cart he bought with lawn mowing money and grow up to be a great driver. he was rich already and decided to take up a hobby. to me a hero gets into something because of his talent, not his ability to buy his way in. that's the wrong message imho.

That is a misguided estimation. None of us have enough information on this guys life to make a judgement call like that. Maybe he worked his way up to becoming very successful in the corporate world. So he "bought" his way into Nascar driver, as you so eloquently put it. :roll: Who cares? If he is trying to elevate the way people view his culture, why should he be despised? Maybe, he had to work hard for everything he had, how do we know?

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: Brazen
From the article:

"He walked away from a six-figure job"

Yeah, he's really been oppressed by racism.

I wish that Ryan guy would read the article before he spouts off about oppresion.. Thanks

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
But ignoring the effects of slavery and CURRENT racism in America only fosters the problem. Don't think racism still exists? Move down here to the south, where it's still alive and well.

I moved to the US and live in the South for the last 20 years. I haven't live anywhere else but the South.

I went to HS then college then grad school for my MBA. Been there, done that in dealing with those ignorant in breed rednecks. No one is dispute that being a minority is touch and all but if you want to be somebody, you HAVE TO work hard for it. Stop looking for an excuse.

Tokenism at it's best. :thumbsdown: What's wrong with him being a role model? Social barriers are hard cross for many people - why should a poor black kid have to work harder than a white one to elevate himself in this society? Where's the fairness in that?

because no white poeple have to work hard to elevate themselves. seriously you need to stfu already. your arguments are so tired.

I never said that they didn't - but a black person who make the same amount of money as a white person usually has to work harder to be in the same position - see the Census statistics I posted above if you don't believe me.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
But ignoring the effects of slavery and CURRENT racism in America only fosters the problem. Don't think racism still exists? Move down here to the south, where it's still alive and well.

I moved to the US and live in the South for the last 20 years. I haven't live anywhere else but the South.

I went to HS then college then grad school for my MBA. Been there, done that in dealing with those ignorant in breed rednecks. No one is dispute that being a minority is touch and all but if you want to be somebody, you HAVE TO work hard for it. Stop looking for an excuse.

:thumbsup:

There are even places in Texas (Orange, TX) that if you are a minority and you drive through some neighborhoods, the people start to come out of their houses to point you to the freeway. It is kind of funny. So bass-ackwards. It is slowly changing though, and you have to realize most of these people are just ignorant, not really bad people (some are <just like in any other organization> but most are not).

One of my friends (who is asian and a geologist), ending up going to a part of Texas to study the rock structures and ended up hanging out with some skinheads. They even let him shoot a rifle at some target practice place. He told me he was slightly scared at first, but they turned out to be nice people, even though slightly ignorant.

i'm white. there are places downtown that i'm likely to get shot if i go in. so yeah.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
Wow, Ryan puts up his points, and now you guys resort to some stupid namecalling.

he has his points, move on. No rebuttle. I have no real say in this, really though. I'm a "minority" in a state where we're not really a "minority," --> California.

But one FACT is that in US history, it wasn't until this last 50 or so years that we've actually began to implement this whole notion of racial equality in the US.

If other races want to make a mark in US soil, which is still predominantly white, more power to them.


This shouldn't be a flame-material topic.


Hell, why even bring the subject up, and get everyone all riled up?


And all of you gangbanging against one person is fun? way to go you ethugs wooo.
Ryan makes a point, and Manybeers returns w/ a very very weak rebuttle --> "...jerk." lol, ok.


I suggest that this thread gets locked. It's pointless, doesn't prove anything, and people will always stay true to their own opinions in which they feel strongly about. Just blabbering it out in public doesn't solve anything.

:thumbsup: To both you and mosh.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I think the OP must really really hate Jackie Robinson.

Well, I never personally met him but I don't think him playing baseball for a living was a great achievement. I don't care for Jesse Jackson, but like Robinson i have never met him.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Being the first black person in NASCAR will be a step forward in race relations. NASCAR has long been branded as a white southern thing, and it's getting old. Listen to this (NSFW) if you don't believe me. He's not thinking of himself, but of race relations in general. How can you fault someone for wanting to make the world a more understanding place? I applaud him.

He's not the first!!!! Get the hell out of here with that crap. He's not thinking of himself!! Are you kidding? Grow up apologist.

this thread needs a lock.

Get off my case. Seriously, if you don't like the subject matter Take A Hike.

mosh has had an air of superiority and self importance lately. i think we all know what that means.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Being the first black person in NASCAR will be a step forward in race relations. NASCAR has long been branded as a white southern thing, and it's getting old. Listen to this (NSFW) if you don't believe me. He's not thinking of himself, but of race relations in general. How can you fault someone for wanting to make the world a more understanding place? I applaud him.

He's not the first!!!! Get the hell out of here with that crap. He's not thinking of himself!! Are you kidding? Grow up apologist.

this thread needs a lock.

Get off my case. Seriously, if you don't like the subject matter Take A Hike.

mosh has had an air of superiority and self importance lately. i think we all know what that means.

flamebait

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan
I think it's important for minorities in disadvantaged positions to see fellow minorities succeed in life - there's a basic need for role models in the black community. For him to be successful in a white sport is a good thing.

You might not care, but I'm sure many other people out there do.

i think it's important for disadvantaged people to get a job. and i don't think they are all going to be nascar drivers. so yeah.

I agree with both statements actually.

Ryan, I see your perspective. I actually enjoy seeing asian-americans in the television entertainment industry, of which I know a few. It is inspiring to see Asians that don't fit the stereotypical East Asian persona in television and movies, so I see your point. It does elevate and give opportunities for more minorities in that field, but you have to admit fisher has a point of many poor communities out there. It seems education has become defunct in many of those communities. Now sports, music, entertainment, and the drug industry seems to be the only viable careers in many of the poor communities minds, which is ridiculous.

If you read the article fisher, you will see the driver worked a corporate management job at HP for a while before getting into Nascar driving. He was successful in the business world as well. More props to the guy.

actually i have no problems with anyone driving in nascar (it's about the lamest ~sport~ out there). but the dude isn't a hero. he didn't bust ass from a young age in his go cart he bought with lawn mowing money and grow up to be a great driver. he was rich already and decided to take up a hobby. to me a hero gets into something because of his talent, not his ability to buy his way in. that's the wrong message imho.

That is a misguided estimation. None of us have enough information on this guys life to make a judgement call like that. Maybe he worked his way up to becoming very successful in the corporate world. So he "bought" his way into Nascar driver, as you so eloquently put it. :roll: Who cares? If he is trying to elevate the way people view his culture, why should he be despised? Maybe, he had to work hard for everything he had, how do we know?

i edited my post. i think it has less to do with being a racial champion than it does he just likes to race. he actually has his own website, you can read about the racing he's done over the years.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
But ignoring the effects of slavery and CURRENT racism in America only fosters the problem. Don't think racism still exists? Move down here to the south, where it's still alive and well.

I moved to the US and live in the South for the last 20 years. I haven't live anywhere else but the South.

I went to HS then college then grad school for my MBA. Been there, done that in dealing with those ignorant in breed rednecks. No one is dispute that being a minority is touch and all but if you want to be somebody, you HAVE TO work hard for it. Stop looking for an excuse.

:thumbsup:

There are even places in Texas (Orange, TX) that if you are a minority and you drive through some neighborhoods, the people start to come out of their houses to point you to the freeway. It is kind of funny. So bass-ackwards. It is slowly changing though, and you have to realize most of these people are just ignorant, not really bad people (some are <just like in any other organization> but most are not).

One of my friends (who is asian and a geologist), ending up going to a part of Texas to study the rock structures and ended up hanging out with some skinheads. They even let him shoot a rifle at some target practice place. He told me he was slightly scared at first, but they turned out to be nice people, even though slightly ignorant.

i'm white. there are places downtown that i'm likely to get shot if i go in. so yeah.

Totally. Again, the issue of the race card is so played out now. You see minorities complaining about the aforementioned behavior and they play the race card, but they do the hypocritical thing and they do the exact same thing to the other races in their communities (then they chalk it up to that it happened to them for hundreds of years <Notes: Two wrongs don't make a right>). It is ridiculous.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I think the OP must really really hate Jackie Robinson.

Well, I never personally met him but I don't think him playing baseball for a living was a great achievement. I don't care for Jesse Jackson, but like Robinson i have never met him.

actually it's two different things. blacks weren't ALLOWED to play baseball with the whites. anyone who has talent can race. no one is holding blacks down in this case. hell it might be that most of them don't care about racing, ever thought about that?

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Being the first black person in NASCAR will be a step forward in race relations. NASCAR has long been branded as a white southern thing, and it's getting old. Listen to this (NSFW) if you don't believe me. He's not thinking of himself, but of race relations in general. How can you fault someone for wanting to make the world a more understanding place? I applaud him.

He's not the first!!!! Get the hell out of here with that crap. He's not thinking of himself!! Are you kidding? Grow up apologist.

this thread needs a lock.

Get off my case. Seriously, if you don't like the subject matter Take A Hike.

mosh has had an air of superiority and self importance lately. i think we all know what that means.

flamebait

unlike every post you've made in here... right?

:disgust:

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
But ignoring the effects of slavery and CURRENT racism in America only fosters the problem. Don't think racism still exists? Move down here to the south, where it's still alive and well.

I moved to the US and live in the South for the last 20 years. I haven't live anywhere else but the South.

I went to HS then college then grad school for my MBA. Been there, done that in dealing with those ignorant in breed rednecks. No one is dispute that being a minority is touch and all but if you want to be somebody, you HAVE TO work hard for it. Stop looking for an excuse.

Tokenism at it's best. :thumbsdown: What's wrong with him being a role model?

Nothing wrong with him being a role model. But I do have issue with you and the like of you that think black folks/minority need to have role models in order to be someone in life. Balony.

I have Asian background. I don't see much Asians in sports, tv, movies, etc. then guess I will have no choice but to sell drugs and bang 20 different women and get them pregnant as fast as I can. Darn those KKK make me do that....LOL.

I never said that.

Again, the way you post in these types of threads makes it at least seem you have a chip on your should about the issues.

I've done some extensive studying about racial inequality in the US - and it just boggles my mind how UNINFORMED people can be when it comes to the issue of race. I don't have a problem with people having opinions - but when they're unfounded and ignorant, expect some heat.

 

[J Heartless Slick]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Who cares?
So, another black wants to be the first black to break the color barrier. Well he's not because if you read the story there have been others before him, and Who cares if he is the first Black ,fist Chinese, first Italian or whatever., it's just Nascar(As if it is an achievement to be a race car driver).. You know Lester why don't you go be the first of something that will benefit all people instead of just your selfish black skin. Loser. And don't call me racist when it is he who brought up his skin color. I'm sorry that I may sound harsh in this post , but seriously fvck this guyand his dreams. It is not newsworthy.

Why do you care about this?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: J Heartless Slick

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Who cares?
So, another black wants to be the first black to break the color barrier. Well he's not because if you read the story there have been others before him, and Who cares if he is the first Black ,fist Chinese, first Italian or whatever., it's just Nascar(As if it is an achievement to be a race car driver).. You know Lester why don't you go be the first of something that will benefit all people instead of just your selfish black skin. Loser. And don't call me racist when it is he who brought up his skin color. I'm sorry that I may sound harsh in this post , but seriously fvck this guyand his dreams. It is not newsworthy.

Why do you care about this?

oh snap :laugh:

 

[vshah]

can i aspire to be the first indian pimp?

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Ryan
I think it's important for minorities in disadvantaged positions to see fellow minorities succeed in life - there's a basic need for role models in the black community. For him to be successful in a white sport is a good thing.

<<<------- is a minority but don't really care for the role model crap.

IF YOU want something bad enough, YOU HAVE to work for it ON YOUR OWN. Stop crying and blaming on others. It is YOUR life, it is YOUR responsibilty.

Try explaining that to a young black kid who sees nobody of his race in a particular field - how do you expect someone to be ambitious about advancing themselves when the perception is that he can't?

Your tokenism isn't going to help him.

i'd make something of myself if i saw a black guy racing nascar! yeah!

please.

Really who is this Ryan jerk

this is your thread. don't turn it into a flamefest.

I havn't, he is a jerk and you are not the thread police. You don't like my opinions you have made that clear.

Wait wait - so I'm a jerk because I can back up my ideas with supported ethical facts? I have yet to see you post one reply to this thread that shows any credence or understanding of racial inequality in the US.

I grew up in San Francisco, Cal. in the 60's. You havn't backed shvt up.
This guy driving around in circles isn't helping you or anyone else. Like I said big deal if he is the "first black" to drive around in circles.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Ryan
I've done some extensive studying about racial inequality in the US - and it just boggles my mind how UNINFORMED people can be when it comes to the issue of race. I don't have a problem with people having opinions - but when they're unfounded and ignorant, expect some heat.

So when someone says they are sick of how the poor communities only seem to want to play sports, sing music, or deal drugs to be successful and you chime in how minorities have had it so rough, they are the ones ignoring the facts?

I will look for the thread where this happened. If I find it, I will post it here.

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: Ryan
I find it funny that white people are always the ones who bitch about people bringing up skin color. Face it - you're white, and privledged, and don't ever have the burden of being aware of your race on a daily basis.

Until you are a minority, you'll likely never understand what it's like to live as a minority in a society where white culture is the norm.

As a minority myself, these racist problem would disappear if people of color wouldnt keep bring that fact up and actually try to excell in what they do. Frankly, unless you are in certain areas of this country, society doesn't give a crap about skin color. Society cares more of how much money you bring to the table - your skills, your education, your ability to work with other people.

Sometimes I find that minorities are always trying to find reasons to be given a free pass. They don't work for it and it shows in things like national test score break-downs.
On the other hand, I have seen examples of minorities who choose to make an effort to excel and they are extremely successful in academia as compared to the aforementioned minority types.