When is the US going to collapse?

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mithan
Topic Title: When is the US going to collapse?

You're watching it before your very eyes.

It started a slow decent with Reagan and is falling off a cliff thanks to Bush Jr.

Jury out if the Messiah and his buds can save it but doubtful with all the damage done by Bush & Co.

 

[Moonbeam]

Attempting to do a quick calculation here using the Finite Element Method, approximating the solution with differential equations and thinking of the problem in terms of the country as a collection of elements and components with various forms of connection between them and visualizing it as a plate or shell, a discrete system with a finite number of elements interconnected at finite number of nodes and taking into account the behavior of individual elements as characterized by the element's stiffness or flexibility relation, which altogether leads to the system's stiffness or flexibility relation, it appears, as I said, on first analysis that any free fall collapse of the US is mathematically impossible and could only be achieved using super Nano termites which have never received any barium enemas.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
2012. Everyone knows this.

Yep, I am already into the leveraging process aiming to maximize what I can borrow and spend on toys and things since by then it won't even matter.

It has already collapsed and is just running on fumes basically. It is bankrupt - it's degenerated populations have been kept from each others throats by money and abundant creature comforts. As both dry up (soon) the cracks will show up big time. Get out of the big cities.

I already have. In the infallible words of Karl Denninger, when the cities go feral you don't want to be there. I still believe the earth will be done before it gets to that, though.

That is madness and has to stop.

Madness? This. IS. AMERICA!

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: woodie1
The price of oil has risen as the value of the dollar has fallen. Look at the price of gold. If we keep printing money like we are now the value of a dollar will continue to decrease and oil prices will continue to rise when priced in dollars. There is a point where no country will buy our bonds because the money used to repay the loans will be worthless or nearly so. We will become a 3rd world country if we don't slow down all the entitlement spending. I read an article a few weeks ago in Kiplinger's Personal Finance that said "The U.S. government is adding to the federal debt at a rate of nearly $5.5 billion per day." That is madness and has to stop.

My $0.02

Sometimes to achieve what you want, you have to tear down what you have.

Just a little food for thought.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: Mithan
I am curious when you guys think that the United States will collapse and food shortages will take place and violance and starvation that kills millions?

Obviously, the country is on a unsustainable path for financial suicide.

This isn't a troll, just jenuinly courious what Americans think here.

This is my prediction:

The Government will spend and spend some more. We will be broke... it will drive the uneducated, lazy, morally corrupt individuals. The term hard worker will be lost, if not, the definition will surely change.

Illegal immigration will get to a boiling point, a point to where we can not sustain them. Race riots will occur and a war will take place. We will have not only another Civil war but a world war (China & AQ) at the same time.

The civil war will occur between Socialist and the Constitutionalists, aka left/right.

All within the next 100-150 years.

Really? Al-Qaeda is going to come attack us during our civil war? Really?

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Mithan
I am curious when you guys think that the United States will collapse and food shortages will take place and violance and starvation that kills millions?

Obviously, the country is on a unsustainable path for financial suicide.

This isn't a troll, just jenuinly courious what Americans think here.

I think your're a dumbfuck. Sorry but someone had to tell you

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mithan
Topic Title: When is the US going to collapse?

You're watching it before your very eyes.

It started a slow decent with Reagan and is falling off a cliff thanks to Bush Jr.

Jury out if the Messiah and his buds can save it but doubtful with all the damage done by Bush & Co.

The US is going to collapse due to the entitlement mentality of people like you, who won't accept personal responsibility for anything. After all, you and your ilk find it easier to blame others for problems that you brought on yourselves.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mithan
Topic Title: When is the US going to collapse?

You're watching it before your very eyes.

It started a slow decent with Reagan and is falling off a cliff thanks to Bush Jr.

Jury out if the Messiah and his buds can save it but doubtful with all the damage done by Bush & Co.

The US is going to collapse due to the entitlement mentality of people like you, who won't accept personal responsibility for anything. After all, you and your ilk find it easier to blame others for problems that you brought on yourselves.

Entitlement is weakening it, but this is in fact one of dave's more lucid posts if you take it for its meat. At least from the middle class perspective life in America has not gotten better since Reagan.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: Mithan
I am curious when you guys think that the United States will collapse and food shortages will take place and violance and starvation that kills millions?

Obviously, the country is on a unsustainable path for financial suicide.

This isn't a troll, just jenuinly courious what Americans think here.

This is my prediction:

The Government will spend and spend some more. We will be broke... it will drive the uneducated, lazy, morally corrupt individuals. The term hard worker will be lost, if not, the definition will surely change.

Illegal immigration will get to a boiling point, a point to where we can not sustain them. Race riots will occur and a war will take place. We will have not only another Civil war but a world war (China & AQ) at the same time.

The civil war will occur between Socialist and the Constitutionalists, aka left/right.

All within the next 100-150 years.

Really? Al-Qaeda is going to come attack us during our civil war? Really?

You would not?

 

[sandorski]

It won't just explode with Mass Starvation, people crawling and moaning in the streets, and all that nonsense. It will likely just Fade like Britain or Spain. At some point the US will cross the threshold of Dominant to non-dominant, but it is likely that no one or very few will actually realize it until well after the fact(may have happened already) and won't really be recognized until some Event occurs where some other Power claims a victory on something(not necessarily Military or War related).

The Ideological nature of the Cold War has left a festering wound upon the American psyche that refuses to heal. Too many people are hanging onto that Ideological divide and without an External Enemy to focus their attention on, they have instead turned focus on the Domestic front, continuing the Ideological Battle with their neighbours. Many are trying to move on, but by doing so are being targeted in the process. If America can't leave the Cold War behind, it will simply become paralyzed with a division that will leave it spinning its' wheels while Others go forward and surpass it.

Assuming no Major Natural or Nuclear Calamity is what causes the "collapse".

 

[StageLeft]

It won't just explode with Mass Starvation, people crawling and moaning in the streets [lol], and all that nonsense. It will likely just Fade like Britain or Spain. At some point the US will cross the threshold of Dominant to non-dominant, but it is likely that no one or very few will actually realize it until well after the fact(may have happened already) and won't really be recognized until some Event occurs where some other Power claims a victory on something(not necessarily Military or War related).

I agree, it will just fade. It already is fading at a pretty good clip, but it happens to every nation and is inevitable, like a company that grows big and then goes bankrupt, except nations' version of bankruptcy is simply loss of influence.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: sandorski
It won't just explode with Mass Starvation, people crawling and moaning in the streets, and all that nonsense. It will likely just Fade like Britain or Spain. At some point the US will cross the threshold of Dominant to non-dominant, but it is likely that no one or very few will actually realize it until well after the fact(may have happened already) and won't really be recognized until some Event occurs where some other Power claims a victory on something(not necessarily Military or War related).

The Ideological nature of the Cold War has left a festering wound upon the American psyche that refuses to heal. Too many people are hanging onto that Ideological divide and without an External Enemy to focus their attention on, they have instead turned focus on the Domestic front, continuing the Ideological Battle with their neighbours. Many are trying to move on, but by doing so are being targeted in the process. If America can't leave the Cold War behind, it will simply become paralyzed with a division that will leave it spinning its' wheels while Others go forward and surpass it.

Assuming no Major Natural or Nuclear Calamity is what causes the "collapse".

Far too much intelligence in this post for these forums.

 

[Trianon]

Originally posted by: sandorski
It won't just explode with Mass Starvation, people crawling and moaning in the streets, and all that nonsense. It will likely just Fade like Britain or Spain. At some point the US will cross the threshold of Dominant to non-dominant, but it is likely that no one or very few will actually realize it until well after the fact(may have happened already) and won't really be recognized until some Event occurs where some other Power claims a victory on something(not necessarily Military or War related).

The Ideological nature of the Cold War has left a festering wound upon the American psyche that refuses to heal. Too many people are hanging onto that Ideological divide and without an External Enemy to focus their attention on, they have instead turned focus on the Domestic front, continuing the Ideological Battle with their neighbours. Many are trying to move on, but by doing so are being targeted in the process. If America can't leave the Cold War behind, it will simply become paralyzed with a division that will leave it spinning its' wheels while Others go forward and surpass it.

Assuming no Major Natural or Nuclear Calamity is what causes the "collapse".

:thumbsup:

 

[Darwin333]

Its a mathmatical fact that our time is running short. While it might not be to late to change the outcome it is not pollitically feasible to do so and so they will do nothing. These guys aren't dumb so I have no doubt they understand the reality of our past current and future path and what it will lead to, they are simply trying to kick the can down the road and hopefully someone else will be in charge when the inevitable occurs. For the time being they will accelerate the problem by handing out more "free" with no intention of ever paying for it. They might make a few bullshit attempts to pretend that they are paying for it but it will be nothing more than spitting on a forest fire. The reality is that taxes must go up on damn near everyone and spending must be drastically cut but as I said, no one will ever get elected or stay elected by doing that. Instead we are going to increase the growth rate of debt-GDP in an even riskier way. With interest rates at historical lows almost all of our external debt is short term and must be almost entirely rolled over in the next 4 years. Even a small bump in bond rates will tack on $300 BILLION a year in interest payments which we will have to borrow in order to pay (using a credit card to pay off a credit card)

This is simple math dealing with exponents that we learned in elementary school and evidently the vast majority of us forgot.

This Chart has two "compound" functions; that is, debt and GDP, where one has a larger exponent than the other, must as a matter of mathematics run away from one another. two "compound" functions; that is, debt and GDP, where one has a larger exponent than the other, must as a matter of mathematics run away from one another. Anyone want to argue that the math is lying?

 

[shiner]

When milk hits $7 a gallon. Just ask McIdiot.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
It has already collapsed and is just running on fumes basically. It is bankrupt - it's degenerated populations have been kept from each others throats by money and abundant creature comforts. As both dry up (soon) the cracks will show up big time. Get out of the big cities.

Hello sunshine

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

It won't just explode with Mass Starvation, people crawling and moaning in the streets [lol], and all that nonsense. It will likely just Fade like Britain or Spain. At some point the US will cross the threshold of Dominant to non-dominant, but it is likely that no one or very few will actually realize it until well after the fact(may have happened already) and won't really be recognized until some Event occurs where some other Power claims a victory on something(not necessarily Military or War related).

I agree, it will just fade. It already is fading at a pretty good clip, but it happens to every nation and is inevitable, like a company that grows big and then goes bankrupt, except nations' version of bankruptcy is simply loss of influence.

Our loss of influence will be directly due to the bankruptcy of the federal government. Unless the politically impossible happens reasonably soon, well the math doesn't lie. I am sure this will turn into a partisan circle jerk but this isn't the doing of any one party or person. Both parties have continuously increased our debt exponentially faster than our GDP and neither have any intention on stopping because they want to get re/elected. So, unless someone can explain how the law of exponents is invalid, its only a matter of time.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mithan
Topic Title: When is the US going to collapse?

You're watching it before your very eyes.

It started a slow decent with Reagan and is falling off a cliff thanks to Bush Jr.

Jury out if the Messiah and his buds can save it but doubtful with all the damage done by Bush & Co.

Nice, good job blaming bush even though the shit storm only started when the dems took control of Congress.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mithan
Topic Title: When is the US going to collapse?

You're watching it before your very eyes.

It started a slow decent with Reagan and is falling off a cliff thanks to Bush Jr.

Jury out if the Messiah and his buds can save it but doubtful with all the damage done by Bush & Co.

Nice, good job blaming bush even though the shit storm only started when the dems took control of Congress.

That's when it started for you because that's when you were born.

 

[bobsmith1492]

We are very dependent on the uninterrupted flow of oil. If that stops:

- Farming stops
- Transport of food stops
- Transport of other energy sources (coal via rail, uranium, etc) stops

Without electricity and transportation, food prices will skyrocket, businesses will shut down, and mass panic and starvation will drive people to violence particularly in larger cities.

This would only happen with a sharp cutoff of oil, though. That could happen with a "perfect storm" of conditions, for example the following:

- Massive natural or man-made disasters (hurricane, earthquake, terrorism) destroy US refining capacity
- War erupts in oil-exporting countries (Venezuela is already there; if Russia and the Middle East went to war, that would knock off a lot more production)

Disasters can happen at any time, and the ME is always on the brink of war...

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mithan
Topic Title: When is the US going to collapse?

You're watching it before your very eyes.

It started a slow decent with Reagan and is falling off a cliff thanks to Bush Jr.

Jury out if the Messiah and his buds can save it but doubtful with all the damage done by Bush & Co.

The US is going to collapse due to the entitlement mentality of people like you, who won't accept personal responsibility for anything. After all, you and your ilk find it easier to blame others for problems that you brought on yourselves.

Entitlement is weakening it, but this is in fact one of dave's more lucid posts if you take it for its meat. At least from the middle class perspective life in America has not gotten better since Reagan.

It's gotten better for me and every one of my friends. I came fro ma poor family and thus most of my friends growing up were poor as well. Now we all are successful and are home owners making more than our parents with inflation adjusted. To say middle class America isn't doing better is a lie because many of us are.
Look at our parents. They may have had more money saved up, but they also didn't spend it like we do. Nowdays, you almost have to have a computer, internet access, cell phone, 2 cars in a family, then add toys of mp3 players, Xbox, video games, and the list goes on.
We aren't poor, we just spend our money on more luxury items. And in doing that it spurs the economy. IF you tell people to stop buying computers, xboxes, mp3 players, ect, then the economy will never recover as saving money does not help an economy. Spending it does.

One thing is for sure. IF the US collapses it's going to take the rest of the world with it. The US is the largest exporter of grain in the world. We're still called the breadbasket of the world for a reason.
When/if we collapse and can no longer feed our selves, tht means we can not feed the world.

 

[BriGy86]

There was a line in the documentary "Why We Fight"

Someone said "No where is it written, that the United States will last forever." I think it's very true. There is no single entity that will make sure the US continues indefinitely. It's up to the citizens to ensure that.

I believe studies have been done on other ancient world powers like Rome and Egypt. A civilizations fall can be determined by how fast it's rise was. Based on that and our recent events, changes, and trends I think it will be in my lifetime.

 

[IronWing]

When the oil runs out.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Mithan
I am curious when you guys think that the United States will collapse and food shortages will take place and violance and starvation that kills millions?

Obviously, the country is on a unsustainable path for financial suicide.

This isn't a troll, just jenuinly courious what Americans think here.

Well I'll be taking your food first.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mithan
Topic Title: When is the US going to collapse?

You're watching it before your very eyes.

It started a slow decent with Reagan and is falling off a cliff thanks to Bush Jr.

Jury out if the Messiah and his buds can save it but doubtful with all the damage done by Bush & Co.

Nice, good job blaming bush even though the shit storm only started when the dems took control of Congress.

Saying BULLSHIT like that over and over again will not make it true.

History and Historians already know the truth, your body will be dust along with your lies.