Whats the 4000 series bring to the table and when

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: jaredpace

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi
The claims of one card beating or killing another are all speculation at this point in time. Since the link you provided is broken no one can say anything. Also a cards performance in one game doesn't translate into overall performance.

yah definitely don't go by 3dmark scores. check out the other thread for benchmark discussion of crossfire x vs. tri-sli between rollo and myself.

Oh come on...

I don't understand why people get so irritated by speculation and question it so vehemently.

The 9800GX2 will have at least the equivalent of 2 8800GTX's. That definately beats a 3870X2 in my books.

The 9800GT should definately be faster than the 8800GT, which by extention is much faster than the 3870.

The fact that AMD is in hot water is a given right now...on all fronts. They need to somehow establish themselves as a market leader in *something*.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Not accusing Xbitlabs of anything but their results seem to be a bit skewed as other reviews seem to have no troubles in the games that they are mentioning. Nice job of cherry picking results.

No cherry picking and nothing mysterious going on- the XBit review drivers just fell in a period of time where those games didn't work yet.

That is my whole point- the "out of box" experience with CF lags a bit so people buying games at launch can't use CF right away. Sometimes they can in a day or two, sometimes weeks.

TWIMTBP program usually ensures their are SLi profiles at launch.

It's a difference and that's the only point I was trying to make.

 

[angry hampster]

Rollo, just out of curiosity, what will you be doing when the new line of processors rolls out this month? Will you be stepping up to a pair of GX2s?...or is that even possible? If not, will you be getting a few 9800GTX cards when they come out?

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Not accusing Xbitlabs of anything but their results seem to be a bit skewed as other reviews seem to have no troubles in the games that they are mentioning. Nice job of cherry picking results.

No cherry picking and nothing mysterious going on- the XBit review drivers just fell in a period of time where those games didn't work yet.

That is my whole point- the "out of box" experience with CF lags a bit so people buying games at launch can't use CF right away. Sometimes they can in a day or two, sometimes weeks.

TWIMTBP program usually ensures their are SLi profiles at launch.

It's a difference and that's the only point I was trying to make.

You do realize that the Xbit review was nearly a month AFTER the Anandtech/Firingsquad reviews?

Both reviews I listed show HD 3870 X2 performance AT LAUNCH and reflect what you would have seen if you bought the card the day it came out. No waiting months for drivers, it was there to begin with.

 

[Modelworks]

With the way they are naming video cards now, I'm waiting for the super duper geforce, and the Oh My God its awesome Radeon editions.

The cards have more confusing numbers for models than the military does for inventory.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: nRollo
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I don't think DX10 Crysis is supported by CF yet!
...

Is this true?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: angry hampster
Rollo, just out of curiosity, what will you be doing when the new line of processors rolls out this month? Will you be stepping up to a pair of GX2s?...or is that even possible? If not, will you be getting a few 9800GTX cards when they come out?

No clue, no plans.

I never know which card(s) NVIDIA will send me, don't know how they decide.

Don't have any plans to buy any cards right now, the 3 way SLi is performing well.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: nRollo
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I don't think DX10 Crysis is supported by CF yet!
...

Is this true?

AFAIK it is.

FS used the Cat 8.2s, latest on ATi's website from 2/13/08, and got no scaling at Crysis DX10:

3870 and 3870X2 perform the same

OTOH- XBitLabs got scaling:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...d3870-x2_11.html#sect0

I trust both of these sites, so for me the jury is still out.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: nRollo
...
I don't think DX10 Crysis is supported by CF yet!
...

Is this true?

AFAIK it is.

FS used the Cat 8.2s, latest on ATi's website from 2/13/08, and got no scaling at Crysis DX10:

3870 and 3870X2 perform the same

How about this one here.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: nRollo
...
I don't think DX10 Crysis is supported by CF yet!
...

Is this true?

AFAIK it is.

FS used the Cat 8.2s, latest on ATi's website from 2/13/08, and got no scaling at Crysis DX10:

3870 and 3870X2 perform the same

How about this one here.

That one doesn't say it's DX10.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: nRollo
...
I don't think DX10 Crysis is supported by CF yet!
...

Is this true?

AFAIK it is.

FS used the Cat 8.2s, latest on ATi's website from 2/13/08, and got no scaling at Crysis DX10:

3870 and 3870X2 perform the same

How about this one here.

That one doesn't say it's DX10.

But this one says.
And this one as well.

That was one of the reasons why X2 was delayed for a couple of weeks according to AT.
Well???

 

[apoppin]

This review got some scaling on his crossfire rig with Cat 8.2s


32bit Vista all DX10 , of course - "Very High" at 16x10

GPU Crysis demo ...

2900xt -- Average FPS: 11.59, Min FPS: 4.95, Max FPS: 14.62
XT/Pro - Average FPS: 13.89, Min FPS: 4.46, Max FPS: 21.68


CPU Crysis demo

2900xt - -Average FPS: 10.60, Min FPS: 0.74, Max FPS: 17.16
XT/Pro - Average FPS: 13.96, Min FPS: 1.98, Max FPS: 17.60 [/quote]

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2144497&enterthread=y

not terribly playable

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Janooo


But this one says.
And this one as well.

That was one of the reasons why X2 was delayed for a couple of weeks according to AT.
Well???

Janooo, who am I to argue with 12fps of rampaging Crossfire Crysis fury?

I wouldn't try to stand in the way of the ATi Crysis momentum.

 

[apoppin]

12?

it's almost 14



How does TriSli handle the max resolution of your screen @ "very high" ?
What is your average FPS on the demo runs?

Very playable?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin
12?

it's almost 14



How does TriSli handle the max resolution of your screen @ "very high" ?
What is your average FPS on the demo runs?

Very playable?

I didn't say any system plays Crysis well, because it's my opinion none do.

It's also my opinion the closest you can come to playing Crysis well is with SLi, and I can back that with a dozen or so links if people need to see it.

For example, compare the 27fps a 3870X2 gets at 19X12 with the special driver Janooo notes to the 36fps a 8800GT SLi rig gets.

NVIDIA currently offers at least five SLi configurations that will be faster than a 8800GT SLi rig.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: apoppin
12?

it's almost 14



How does TriSli handle the max resolution of your screen @ "very high" ?
What is your average FPS on the demo runs?

Very playable?

I didn't say any system plays Crysis well, because it's my opinion none do.

It's also my opinion the closest you can come to playing Crysis well is with SLi, and I can back that with a dozen or so links if people need to see it.

For example, compare the 27fps a 3870X2 gets at 19X12 with the special driver Janooo notes to the 36fps a 8800GT SLi rig gets.

NVIDIA currently offers at least five SLi configurations that will be faster than a 8800GT SLi rig.

i didn't ask for a dissertation or for an apology ... simply, what average FPS does your rig play Crysis at 'Very high' at your LCD's highest resolution?

now you got me with your last comment
... what ARE the *currently* "at least five SLi configurations that will be faster than a 8800GT SLi rig".

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Janooo


But this one says.
And this one as well.

That was one of the reasons why X2 was delayed for a couple of weeks according to AT.
Well???

Janooo, who am I to argue with 12fps of rampaging Crossfire Crysis fury?

I wouldn't try to stand in the way of the ATi Crysis momentum.

I don't care about Crysis speed on any system.
What I don't like is how you push an idea into people's mind that CF does not support DX10 Crysis.
The reviews that I referenced are from end of January. I doubt you never read them.
We all know it's your job to lie and spread FUD. That's about it.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Janooo


But this one says.
And this one as well.

That was one of the reasons why X2 was delayed for a couple of weeks according to AT.
Well???

Janooo, who am I to argue with 12fps of rampaging Crossfire Crysis fury?

I wouldn't try to stand in the way of the ATi Crysis momentum.

I don't care about Crysis speed on any system.
What I don't like is how you push an idea into people's mind that CF does not support DX10 Crysis.
The reviews that I referenced are from end of January. I doubt you never read them.
We all know it's your job to lie and spread FUD. That's about it.

Dude- I read TONS of reviews/posts. I honestly didn't remember, and you have to consider that to me a driver that gets Crysis from 8fps up to 12fps isn't really a astonishing feat that will stick out in my mind.

What's with the personal attack? I made a mistake and admitted it- that's the sort of thing the boards are for- exchange of information.

I've posted a LOT here lately, if you've found one thing so far that I've already admitted I erred on, you're not doing a very good job of proving your TOS violating accusation and slander.

If you think you can prove it's my "job" to post "lies and FUD" call me out in a Forum Issues thread. If you have a point, I'll be banned, I'm here on a probationary status.

I say "Good luck with it"- I haven't even been warned because all of my posts are well within TOS and informative. (unlike, say, calling someone a liar)

Peace out Janooo, I wish you well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZI8oncdNYw

 

[nRollo]

BTW- the fact the Crysis DX10 didn't work until that January review is pretty good verification of my assertion about the CF experience not being an out of box way, more a "wait for patch" way like the old DOS days of computer gaming. How many weeks was Crysis out before the CF worked in DX10?

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Janooo


But this one says.
And this one as well.

That was one of the reasons why X2 was delayed for a couple of weeks according to AT.
Well???

Janooo, who am I to argue with 12fps of rampaging Crossfire Crysis fury?

I wouldn't try to stand in the way of the ATi Crysis momentum.

I don't care about Crysis speed on any system.
What I don't like is how you push an idea into people's mind that CF does not support DX10 Crysis.
The reviews that I referenced are from end of January. I doubt you never read them.
We all know it's your job to lie and spread FUD. That's about it.

Dude- I read TONS of reviews/posts. I honestly didn't remember, and you have to consider that to me a driver that gets Crysis from 8fps up to 12fps isn't really a astonishing feat that will stick out in my mind.

What's with the personal attack? I made a mistake and admitted it- that's the sort of thing the boards are for- exchange of information.

I've posted a LOT here lately, if you've found one thing so far that I've already admitted I erred on, you're not doing a very good job of proving your TOS violating accusation and slander.

If you think you can prove it's my "job" to post "lies and FUD" call me out in a Forum Issues thread. If you have a point, I'll be banned, I'm here on a probationary status.

I say "Good luck with it"- I haven't even been warned because all of my posts are well within TOS and informative. (unlike, say, calling someone a liar)

Peace out Janooo, I wish you well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZI8oncdNYw

Well, you have a history..., you got caught again, you admit it, fine, let's move on.

 

[qbfx]

Originally posted by: nRollo
Dude- I read TONS of reviews/posts. I honestly didn't remember, and you have to consider that to me a driver that gets Crysis from 8fps up to 12fps isn't really a astonishing feat that will stick out in my mind.

It is indeed astonishing because it's a 50% gain which isn't nothing. I think it's percentage that matters here but I guess you expected a 8fps - 40fps jump.

(nV rocks my pants - just to make sure you don't get angry )

 

[superbooga]

Firingsquad has benchmarks of Crossfire X ... 3-way SLI is still the fastest, and 3870x2 + 3870 is about equal to 8800GTS SLI.

 

[NinjaJedi]

Originally posted by: nRollo
BTW- the fact the Crysis DX10 didn't work until that January review is pretty good verification of my assertion about the CF experience not being an out of box way, more a "wait for patch" way like the old DOS days of computer gaming. How many weeks was Crysis out before the CF worked in DX10?

I wonder if SLI working "out of the box" for games is more do to games being developed to work with SLI more than they are with Xfire. The whole "the way it's meant to be played" thing is something NV has on their side but if it was the other way around then I could see xfire working better "out of the box."

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Giacomo

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
If you bought a 2900xt for, uh, I dunno, say $320 or so with orange box you can xfire it with a $150 2900pro 256 bit right now.

Or even better and more actual: if you buy a pricey HD3870 X2 today, and you fall in love with a 4870 in Summer, you don't have to say goodbye to your beautiful and still powerful card: you buy the 4870, stick it togethet with the 3870 X2, and enjoy like crazy.

It's not only about FPS, it's about satisfaction and having respect for your money too.

Giacomo

I don't know anybody who has yet paired a 3870x2 with a 4870, while I DO know somebody who has quite successfully paired a 2900xt with a 2900pro 256 bit on a p35 mobo.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: jaredpace

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi
The claims of one card beating or killing another are all speculation at this point in time. Since the link you provided is broken no one can say anything. Also a cards performance in one game doesn't translate into overall performance.

yah definitely don't go by 3dmark scores. check out the other thread for benchmark discussion of crossfire x vs. tri-sli between rollo and myself.

Oh come on...

I don't understand why people get so irritated by speculation and question it so vehemently.

The 9800GX2 will have at least the equivalent of 2 8800GTX's. That definately beats a 3870X2 in my books.

The 9800GT should definately be faster than the 8800GT, which by extention is much faster than the 3870.

The fact that AMD is in hot water is a given right now...on all fronts. They need to somehow establish themselves as a market leader in *something*.

that's a bold statement about the 9800gx2. So you think that the 9800gx2 will beat sli'd 8800gtx's??? REALLY??? 9800gx2 is just 2 down-clocked 8800gts 512's pasted together. one 8800gts 512 is comparable to a gtx at medium resolution, but at higher res, especially with AA/AF, the gtx has a clear advantage. Therefore, how is 9800gx2 better than 2 gtx's?