What would be the last straw for you, as a Trump supporter?

[ecogen]

It's not all that interesting a way to put it. It's a blatantly obvious way to put it. No way in **** would Trump have ever been elected if the other alternative wasn't worse.

This is in no way, shape or form a fact, no matter how much you're trying to convince yourself that it is. The problem is that a large number of people are ignorant and/or idiots.

 

[Ottonomous]

I hope he continues beyond 2020
- his economic success is good, but its a cyclical game and he's also slashed a lot of regulation
- a war with iran will produce trillions of debt, on top of 7 for Iraq/Afghanistan
- public services will be gutted and after 2021 if analyses are correct, sub 40K income folks will begin taking a disproportionate burden of the tax cut
- there is no obamacare alternative and even the NHS might be privatized thanks to him
- Mnuchin and co are still floating a second tax cut
- if he pardons more gallagher tier loons the american military credibility will fall even further, the US has lost whatever status as world police too
- NK will destabilize the peninsula
- his retarded economic protectionism will secure China's dominance, his alienation of allies will mean that europe, asia and co will restructure the global economy to their benefit (silk road anyone)
- he's helped expose the quid pro quo of the US with Saudia/Qatar and friends, and brought out dirty work countless people were hoping to be exposed
- he's brought the southern strategy to the fore with his lack of sophistication and cunning, no one can deny the racial policies of republicans now
- he's helped push populism in Europe and push people against NATO too, he dives into conflict between demographics in his country, esp. nonwhites instead of attempting to foster unity

Its insane looking at this a decade after Bush and Obama and realizing that America got its comeuppance so easily, and the best part? Through someone and millions who genuinely believe this is making America great. This is America at its core being exposed to everyone

 

[Grooveriding]

Its insane looking at this a decade after Bush and Obama and realizing that America got its comeuppance so easily, and the best part? Through someone and millions who genuinely believe this is making America great. This is America at its core being exposed to everyone

I agree. Trump has exposed what all the Fox and other far-right conspiracy theory bullshit propaganda has done to them. They've banded together and elected one of their own; another victim of said propaganda, and a batshit crazy narcissist to boot.

This question is like asking what it would have taken the acolytes of Jonestown to not drink the kool aid. How do you deprogram cultists? For the part of his base that are the fanatics, the supporters who it is all about him, the ones in the cult of personality - probably nothing would work. You see them interviewed at his nazi rallies the odd time, and many of them have no idea of any of the issues, their support amounts to nut-cupping Trump and that's it.

It also appears partisanship has reached such a point for some, that it doesn't matter who the candidate is, they couldn't stomach not seeing their team win if it can. So even if lets say their party nominated a rapist, who embodied none of their 'traditional Christian values', with a history of ripping off poor/middle class people and lying all the time, they'd still vote for him. Oh wait..

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I will not be voting this coming up election. I found out Trump is a climate change denier so he is off the table. The Democratic party doesn't really line up with my point of view so I am stuck without a candidate to vote for.
I wish there was a level headed independent that actually had a chance to win.

 

[Ottonomous]

We found out Trump is a climate change denier so he is off the table

Really? The 32 Anti-vax tweets or proud display of the LGBT flag didn't offend you (before his sellout to evangelicals)? Serial adultery? Sexual commentary on his teenage daughter? His outright mockery of Pence's religiosity? His proudly displayed business dealings with the architects of 9/11? None of that struck a chord?

 

[Viper1j]

I didn't vote for Trump.

But, when he won, I took on the attitude of; "Well, this is what people wanted - let's see what he'll do." And, I was honestly hoping for at worst a decent job.

Pretty quickly I realized this guy is far worse than what we feared during his campaign.

Yet, he still has a slew of supporters. So, what would it take to get you to drop Trump?

For some, there is nothing. They need to be deprogrammed like any other cult member. I know a MAGAt that said if he saw a video of Trump banging Ivanka, it wouldn't matter because that's "family business" and not what he hired him for.

 

[brycejones]

For some, there is nothing. They need to be deprogrammed like any other cult member. I know a MAGAt that said if he saw a video of Trump banging Ivanka, it wouldn't matter because that's "family business" and not what he hired him for.

That is a great summation of the moral bankruptcy of modern conservatism though.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Really? The 32 Anti-vax tweets or proud display of the LGBT flag didn't offend you (before his sellout to evangelicals)? Serial adultery? Sexual commentary on his teenage daughter? His outright mockery of Pence's religiosity? His proudly displayed business dealings with the architects of 9/11? None of that struck a chord?

You're just getting warmed up. 5,000 lies per year in office? Extensive business dealings with hostile foreign powers? Incessant narcissistic personality? Hurting America with foreign policy? Tax cuts for the wealthy with 1.5T of borrowed funds? The list goes on

 

[fskimospy]

You're just getting warmed up. 5,000 lies per year in office? Extensive business dealings with hostile foreign powers? Incessant narcissistic personality? Hurting America with foreign policy? Tax cuts for the wealthy with 1.5T of borrowed funds? The list goes on

How about ‘has committed multiple felonies using his powers of office’, haha.

I mean seriously. Upon being elected he immediately started using his powers to commit crimes. To any rational person that’s the end.

 

[ch33zw1z]

How about ‘has committed multiple felonies using his powers of office’, haha.

I mean seriously. Upon being elected he immediately started using his powers to commit crimes. To any rational person that’s the end.

Seriously. It's crazy town, and McConnell is the mayor.

 

[Fenixgoon]

It's not all that interesting a way to put it. It's a blatantly obvious way to put it. No way in **** would Trump have ever been elected if the other alternative wasn't worse.

so in what way is a "billionaire" whose company only has a handful of employees (many of whom are immediately family members) and has no experience in governmental affairs better or otherwise more qualified for the presidency than a former first lady, senator, and secretary of state with an extensive political career and deep knowledge of US government operation?

 

[nOOky]

I suspect people that continue to support Trump do so because of their feelings. He continues to tell them how great the economy is doing, although it might not be the best for them, they believe it and keep increasing their personal debt. He preys on their religious beliefs, their feelings of insecurity, their inner hatred of people of other color and religions. He gives them a cause to "fight" for despite simply picking their pockets and making the country less safe environmentally and physically.

Democrats seem to argue policy with facts and figures, Republicans with feelings these days. Look at what the Republican party has become, look how foolish all of the R senators and Representatives look by blindly following his lead. Looking at it from the outside one has to wonder how crazy it is that this is even happening.

 

[fskimospy]

so in what way is a "billionaire" whose company only has a handful of employees (many of whom are immediately family members) and has no experience in governmental affairs better or otherwise more qualified for the presidency than a former first lady, senator, and secretary of state with an extensive political career and deep knowledge of US government operation?

My guess will be a bunch of right wing conspiracy theories about how she was evil.

 

[brycejones]

so in what way is a "billionaire" whose company only has a handful of employees (many of whom are immediately family members) and has no experience in governmental affairs better or otherwise more qualified for the presidency than a former first lady, senator, and secretary of state with an extensive political career and deep knowledge of US government operation?

Hillary was dishonest.

 

[dank69]

I will not be voting this coming up election. I found out Trump is a climate change denier so he is off the table. The Democratic party doesn't really line up with my point of view so I am stuck without a candidate to vote for.
I wish there was a level headed independent that actually had a chance to win.

He called climate change a Chinese hoax long before the 2016 election...

 

[interchange]

I will not be voting this coming up election. I found out Trump is a climate change denier so he is off the table. The Democratic party doesn't really line up with my point of view so I am stuck without a candidate to vote for.
I wish there was a level headed independent that actually had a chance to win.

Although I am sure others will get on your case about this, I am glad this is your way of resolving the conflict you have. The GOP and right wing media for a long time has been trying to condition their followers to vote for any Republican by greatly exaggerating the potential dangers of any Democrat. Truth is, even should the slanted view be accurate, no President would have the power to take away guns in any substantive way, completely socialize healthcare, etc.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

He called climate change a Chinese hoax long before the 2016 election...

Yeah. I don't pay any attention to politics tbh. Only recently I am because of the Iran conflict. How much can you really believe of what you hear anyways? I know it's true about the Chinese hoax bit but I honestly don't believe 80% of what I see on the news. Fox, CNN, or whatever.

 

[Viper1j]

I hope he continues beyond 2020
- his economic success is good, but its a cyclical game and he's also slashed a lot of regulation
- a war with iran will produce trillions of debt, on top of 7 for Iraq/Afghanistan
- public services will be gutted and after 2021 if analyses are correct, sub 40K income folks will begin taking a disproportionate burden of the tax cut
- there is no obamacare alternative and even the NHS might be privatized thanks to him
- Mnuchin and co are still floating a second tax cut
- if he pardons more gallagher tier loons the american military credibility will fall even further, the US has lost whatever status as world police too
- NK will destabilize the peninsula
- his retarded economic protectionism will secure China's dominance, his alienation of allies will mean that europe, asia and co will restructure the global economy to their benefit (silk road anyone)
- he's helped expose the quid pro quo of the US with Saudia/Qatar and friends, and brought out dirty work countless people were hoping to be exposed
- he's brought the southern strategy to the fore with his lack of sophistication and cunning, no one can deny the racial policies of republicans now
- he's helped push populism in Europe and push people against NATO too, he dives into conflict between demographics in his country, esp. nonwhites instead of attempting to foster unity

Its insane looking at this a decade after Bush and Obama and realizing that America got its comeuppance so easily, and the best part? Through someone and millions who genuinely believe this is making America great. This is America at its core being exposed to everyone

You're in for a very rude awakening.

 

[Viper1j]

That is a great summation of the moral bankruptcy of modern conservatism though.

I'm sure that Gary Hart and John Edwards are like: "Where the fuck were these people at, when I was going through my shit?"

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The only thing I can think of is traumatic brain injury.

Too late.

 

[Bitek]

What about what he has done makes you think he has done a good job?

If you didn't really follow the news, didn't care/know about the $1T deficit, and purely judged performance on gas prices, stock market, interest and unemployment rates, then I bet you'd be pretty inclined to give Trump another run.

There are a lot of people like this out there, especially in order white America. The D candidate will have a uphill climb.

 

[K1052]

Yeah. I don't pay any attention to politics tbh. Only recently I am because of the Iran conflict. How much can you really believe of what you hear anyways? I know it's true about the Chinese hoax bit but I honestly don't believe 80% of what I see on the news. Fox, CNN, or whatever.

Uh he's on video and his own twitter feed is chocked full of climate denialism and has been for years before he was elected.

 

[VRAMdemon]

There are NO circumstances in which I'd vote for someone like Trump. I don't care if he's got all the answers.

The most important flaw is that he's mentally ill and unstable. Trumps long term damage to our institutions may never be fixed. He's an immoral person. Has no leadership skills. He attacks people who question him. He plays to the worst common denominator.

Pathological liars cannot help themselves, and pathological lying is almost always entangled with a narcissistic or borderline personality disorder. He appears to side with whatever was most recently said to him, regardless of its absurdity, or even its contradiction to what he has said previously. I would suspect there is a lot of inside maneuvering in the WH and even online to be the last person he speaks to prior to his issuing one of his bizarre statements.

Trump deals only with the a delusional world as he wishes it to be, not the world as it is. This world view is portable. One day NATO is a bunch of foreign parasites and the next day it is a worlds most powerful military force commanded by the great Donald Trump. In both cases it fits his immediate world view and is used without concern for history or contradiction. All of his actions and utterances are referenced only to his currently internalized world view. There is no regard for 'fact'. One of Trump's (few) truisms that appearances matter more than reality. In that light, why would you trust anything he says or implies, Trumps reality is simply what is in his best interest at the moment.

Whether he constantly lies or constantly makes up his own reality, is this someone who should be president? This man should never have been considered for the office of President. He is dangerous to the stability of USA and the world.

 

[Atreus21]

what does ‘moderate on abortion’ mean to you?

To admit that abortion at some or any stage is not to be allowed. Tulsi's already close to this as she used to be pro life, but I don't think yang is.

 

[fskimospy]

To admit that abortion at some or any stage is not to be allowed. Tulsi's already close to this as she used to be pro life, but I don't think yang is.

That’s the position of literally every Democrat running for president to the best of my knowledge.