What would be the last straw for you, as a Trump supporter?

[brycejones]

Why couldn't it be the opposite? Perhaps it's that the democrats appeal to non whites?

Willy Horton says otherwise.

 

[Viper1j]

Grandma has had enough!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1251176436389593091

 

[fskimospy]

Willy Horton says otherwise.

It’s weird that people are so engrained in their opinions that even when Republicans come straight out and say they are engaging in white identity politics they won’t believe it because they think identity politics is something only the bad other guys do.

 

[Atreus21]

Because it’s not relevant. Lyndon Johnson may have been personally racist but his actions as president were anything but. In what I quoted it was the exact opposite, Republicans apologizing for their actions, the white identity politics they ran on.

Of course. It's not at all coincidental that blacks have done precisely what he predicted since. You guys seem awfully permissive and incurious when it comes to racism on your own side.

It was not, it was an apology for actions from that point up through the current time so it is exactly what you’re looking for.

So now that you have Republican officials saying exactly my point do you concede?

WaPo disagrees with you. So, is there anything more contemporary?

Absolutely not, the economic gulf between them has rarely been wider. Like I said though, Republicans don’t campaign on that because their economic policies are super unpopular.

What issues have recently animated the two sides more than social issues like gay marriage, abortion, transgenderism, and freedom of speech and religion? Certainly not economic disputes.

Lol are you joking. Yeah, the guy who launched his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists and then said we should ban all Muslims from entering the US was really running on an economic message.

I wish you guys would quit repeating that mexican rapist nonsense. Any neutral observer would conclude that Trump was referring to illegal immigrants containing criminals among them.

At any rate, Republican candidates have campaigned on tax cuts since the 80s.

No, because they will gladly accept other incidental support. Doesn’t change the fact that they are engaging in white identity politics.

So back to my original question. Now that we have Republican leaders on record stating their goal was to seek out white voters by antagonizing minorities is your argument that at some point they decided to ditch this strategy and so there must be some other reason the party is over 90% white? If so, when?
Alternatively you might want to consider that the most likely reason the party is almost all white is because those are the voters they go after. Isn’t the simplest explanation usually best?

As stated earlier, and substantiated by the Washington Post, Mehlman was referring to the Southern Strategy. Surely you have more contemporary examples.

Regarding the most simple explanation - sometimes the simplest is also the laziest, or the one which most conforms to our biases.

If your fundamental claim is that the Republicans' message is primarily cultural, I don't think I disagree with that. That's where the big fights are - the culture war. But to ascribe it ultimately and intrinsically to racism is silly and tiresome. It seems it's the only message Democrats have, in the end.

 

[Fenixgoon]

What issues have recently animated the two sides more than social issues like gay marriage, abortion, transgenderism, and freedom of speech and religion? Certainly not economic disputes.

Electing a black guy.

Edit: and as for the rapists comment,

In June 2015, while Trump was a presidential candidate, he said, "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best."
He added: "They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Trump just referred to one of his most infamous campaign comments: calling Mexicans 'rapists'

President Donald Trump on Thursday defended what was perhaps his most notorious remark on the campaign trail: calling Mexicans "rapists."

www.businessinsider.com

Now, let's assume that he means illegal immigrants specifically instead of anyone coming from or through Mexico, as you say. Is there any data to suggest that a) the specific migrant caravan at the time contained known rapists or b) that immigrants pose a greater crime threat than the general population.

Data - not anecdote and single news stories - indicates immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than the general population.

Is Illegal Immigration Linked to More or Less Crime? - FactCheck.org

President Donald Trump said it’s “not true” that immigrants in the U.S. illegally are “safer than the people that live in the country,” providing several crime statistics he claimed represented the “toll of illegal immigration.” Sen. Bernie Sanders made the opposite claim, saying: “I understand...

www.factcheck.org

 

[fskimospy]

Of course. It's not at all coincidental that blacks have done precisely what he predicted since. You guys seem awfully permissive and incurious when it comes to racism on your own side.

I have no idea what you’re even talking about here. Regardless it is irrelevant to the white identity politics we are discussing here.

WaPo disagrees with you. So, is there anything more contemporary?

Uhmm, no it does not. Did you even read the article? He was acknowledging they were still doing it throughout the 90s and that was in 2005! In reality they never stopped or did you forget the racist birther strategy they employed only 3 years later? Lol

You are once again trying to avoid answering the question.

What issues have recently animated the two sides more than social issues like gay marriage, abortion, transgenderism, and freedom of speech and religion? Certainly not economic disputes.

This is your bubble speaking - it is what animated CONSERVATIVE voters, because your side engages almost exclusively in identity politics. Go listen to a Democratic primary debate, economic issues are front and center.

I wish you guys would quit repeating that mexican rapist nonsense. Any neutral observer would conclude that Trump was referring to illegal immigrants containing criminals among them.

It’s not nonsense and at any rate demagoguery against the supposed criminal nature of Hispanic immigrants is white identity politics. Why do you think they hyped THE CARAVAN in 2018? White identity politics.

At any rate, Republican candidates have campaigned on tax cuts since the 80s.

As stated earlier, and substantiated by the Washington Post, Mehlman was referring to the Southern Strategy. Surely you have more contemporary examples.

Just so I understand you now, you have retreated to the position that Republicans used to campaign on white identity politics but stopped at some point? If so, ballpark idea of when?

Regarding the most simple explanation - sometimes the simplest is also the laziest, or the one which most conforms to our biases.

If your fundamental claim is that the Republicans' message is primarily cultural, I don't think I disagree with that. That's where the big fights are - the culture war. But to ascribe it ultimately and intrinsically to racism is silly and tiresome. It seems it's the only message Democrats have, in the end.

I didn’t apply it intrinsically to racism, I simply agreed with the head of the RNC that Republicans deliberately try and use racism to get white voters. You appear to think he was wrong and there is some other reason why the GOP is over 90% white.

What is it?

 

[fskimospy]

Electing a black guy.

Edit: and as for the rapists comment,

Trump just referred to one of his most infamous campaign comments: calling Mexicans 'rapists'

President Donald Trump on Thursday defended what was perhaps his most notorious remark on the campaign trail: calling Mexicans "rapists."

www.businessinsider.com

Now, let's assume that he means illegal immigrants specifically instead of anyone coming from or through Mexico, as you say. Is there any data to suggest that a) the specific migrant caravan at the time contained known rapists or b) that immigrants pose a greater crime threat than the general population.

Data - not anecdote and single news stories - indicates immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than the general population.

Is Illegal Immigration Linked to More or Less Crime? - FactCheck.org

President Donald Trump said it’s “not true” that immigrants in the U.S. illegally are “safer than the people that live in the country,” providing several crime statistics he claimed represented the “toll of illegal immigration.” Sen. Bernie Sanders made the opposite claim, saying: “I understand...

www.factcheck.org

It has never been clear to me why they think if he was only referring to illegal Mexican immigrants that it would be any less racist or less an obvious example of white identity politics.

The Trump campaign was the most purely white identity grievance campaign we will probably ever see. The foreigners are taking advantage of us, the Mexicans are sending rapists, we should ban all the Muslims from coming in, even American born people of Mexican ancestry shouldn’t be able to judge him, etc. etc.

Trump’s innovation was relentless and shameless lying, the playbook he used was the same one Republicans have used for 50 years just turned up a notch.

 

[Atreus21]

Uhmm, no it does not. Did you even read the article? He was acknowledging they were still doing it throughout the 90s and that was in 2005! In reality they never stopped or did you forget the racist birther strategy they employed only 3 years later? Lol

You are once again trying to avoid answering the question.

This is your bubble speaking - it is what animated CONSERVATIVE voters, because your side engages almost exclusively in identity politics. Go listen to a Democratic primary debate, economic issues are front and center.

It’s not nonsense and at any rate demagoguery against the supposed criminal nature of Hispanic immigrants is white identity politics. Why do you think they hyped THE CARAVAN in 2018? White identity politics.

Just so I understand you now, you have retreated to the position that Republicans used to campaign on white identity politics but stopped at some point? If so, ballpark idea of when?

I didn’t apply it intrinsically to racism, I simply agreed with the head of the RNC that Republicans deliberately try and use racism to get white voters. You appear to think he was wrong and there is some other reason why the GOP is over 90% white.

What is it?

You know, if you're going to be so quick with accusations of avoidance, perhaps you shouldn't be so dismissive of contrary evidence. The opening two paragraphs of the WaPo article clearly attributes Mehlman's comments to the Southern Strategy.

It was called "the southern strategy," started under Richard M. Nixon in 1968, and described Republican efforts to use race as a wedge issue -- on matters such as desegregation and busing -- to appeal to white southern voters.

Ken Mehlman, the Republican National Committee chairman, this morning will tell the NAACP national convention in Milwaukee that it was "wrong."

I mean I don't know what else to say if you're going to just dismiss this. Secondly, surely this shouldn't be a show-stopper if Republicans have made no secret of a deliberate orientation to white identity politics. One would think there'd be more evidence than one progressive-minded RNC chairman from 15 years ago, commenting on a policy from 50 years ago.

 

[fskimospy]

You know, if you're going to be so quick with accusations of avoidance, perhaps you shouldn't be so dismissive of contrary evidence. The opening two paragraphs of the WaPo article clearly attributes Mehlman's comments to the Southern Strategy.

It was called "the southern strategy," started under Richard M. Nixon in 1968, and described Republican efforts to use race as a wedge issue -- on matters such as desegregation and busing -- to appeal to white southern voters.

Ken Mehlman, the Republican National Committee chairman, this morning will tell the NAACP national convention in Milwaukee that it was "wrong."

I mean I don't know what else to say if you're going to just dismiss this. Secondly, surely this shouldn't be a show-stopper if Republicans have made no secret of a deliberate orientation to white identity politics. One would think there'd be more evidence than one progressive-minded RNC chairman from 15 years ago, commenting on a policy from 50 years ago.

lol you REALLY need to read articles before commenting on them, or at least all the way to the third paragraph

The article explicitly talks about how this continued up through the 90’s and the speech was only from 2005, meaning he was discussing how at a minimum it had continued into the very recent past for him. He also did not claim it was over. So no, it’s not from 50 years ago. As for additional evidence I gave you the fucking 2018 campaign where THE CARAVAN of scary Hispanic immigrants was the primary GOP message. Textbook white identity politics.

Also, the idea that the RNC Chairman was some sort of secret progressive just because he said the quiet part loud is pretty hilarious.

So despite dodging it a half dozen times now, I’ll ask you again. If it’s not because Republicans are deliberately appealing to white identity politics, why is the party more than 90% white?

 

[ShookKnight]

... COVID19 cases are starting to jump in Trump territory...

Those damn Democrats and their COVID19 hoax!!

 

[MtnMan]

How about declaring himself total wielder of authority on live television? Would that be the last straw?

I know people that would simply say "about time"

 

[blankslate]

The last straw should have been his buffoonishness in the 2016 Rethug primary....


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[Fenixgoon]

The last straw should have been his buffoonishness in the 2016 Rethug primary....

plus Puerto Rico, which has a governor. Not sure who is the person in charge for other US territories.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

For there to be a last straw, there has to be a first straw. There's at least twenty people on this forum who believe Trump isn't even partially responsible for the number of covid-19 deaths we've had. What can anyone do about such willful stupidity? They're beyond reason or education.

 

[ShookKnight]

How about after you inject disinfectant into your lungs, would you still support him?

Trump suggests 'injection' of disinfectant to beat coronavirus and 'clean' the lungs

A Homeland Security official, under questioning from reporters, later said federal laboratories are not considering such a treatment option.

www.nbcnews.com

You may very well die, so then the support would stop... I guess death is when a Trump supporter stops supporting Trump...

 

[hal2kilo]

How about after you inject disinfectant into your lungs, would you still support him?

Trump suggests 'injection' of disinfectant to beat coronavirus and 'clean' the lungs

A Homeland Security official, under questioning from reporters, later said federal laboratories are not considering such a treatment option.

www.nbcnews.com

You may very well die, so then the support would stop... I guess death is when a Trump supporter stops supporting Trump...

If he was a "regular citizen" there would have been a cease and desist order put our for him to stop making medical comments.

 

[JamieStarr]

Bear in mind that in most cases you're talking about people who in many cases are uneducated and unaware and would rather Faux News push their opinions into them instead of make informed decisions. So, of course, an incompetent fella like trump will have people support him no matter what terrible thing he does. We've become the laughingstock of the modern world. Let's face it. America is NOT a very smart country...