What would be the last straw for you, as a Trump supporter?

[Viper1j]

To admit that abortion at some or any stage is not to be allowed. Tulsi's already close to this as she used to be pro life, but I don't think yang is.

I went to Denny's this morning, and said I want to order the Unborn Chicken Grand Slam" and somehow, the waitress knew what I meant!

There's no such thing as "unborn" anything. That's like a preheated oven, it makes no sense. The oven is either hot or cold.

 

[Vic]

"Pro-Choice" or "Pro-Life," 2018-2019 Demographic Tables

Americans' identification in 2018-19 as "pro-choice" or "pro-life" on abortion is provided here in tabular form, with breakouts by key population subgroups.

news.gallup.com

There's a case to be made that women are more pro-life than men, and are also more likely to be pro-life than pro-choice.

Everyone is pro-life. What you are is pro-govt control of sexual behavior. Which coincidentally helps explain the appeal to big govt candidates even on the leftist side.

 

[Vic]

For someone who is so anti-abortion I've never seen you advoate for free birth control. Seems that would make sense

No, that would defeat the purpose of controlling sexual behavior.

 

[fskimospy]

No, that would defeat the purpose of controlling sexual behavior.

It is very telling how religious conservatives decided abortion is murder, and then when effective birth control was developed decided that was abortion too, even in the face of all scientific evidence.

It’s almost as if there’s some other reason.

 

[cytg111]

Of course. They are afraid of a woman who thinks for herself. Actually they are afraid of anyone who thinks for themselves.

 

[mindless1]

This is in no way, shape or form a fact, no matter how much you're trying to convince yourself that it is. The problem is that a large number of people are ignorant and/or idiots.

Nope. A large group of people are tired of their freedoms being eroded away and Trump was an effective attempt to slow that train down. We would have elected a cardboard box to just sit there doing nothing if it's that vs furthering the liberal agenda.

Unfortunately Trump does not just sit there, lol. He has done many things right but being a sociopath, has ruffled many feathers along the way, is decidedly terrible at being a politician.

Many of us do not want bigger/more government intervention into our lives, nor the taxes or escalated cost of living to pay for it all. We are tired of a government that wants to rule over us instead of promoting a healthy economy.

Hilary's qualifications mean nothing compared to her integrity and agenda. Many people still don't GET THAT, the idea that you are voting for the platform more than the person.

The ignorant/idiots are the ones that don't see their freedoms eroding because it happens a little at a time.

 

[ecogen]

Nope. A large group of people are tired of their freedoms being eroded away and Trump was an effective attempt to slow that train down. We would have elected a cardboard box to just sit there doing nothing if it's that vs furthering the liberal agenda.

Unfortunately Trump does not just sit there, lol. He has done many things right but being a sociopath, has ruffled many feathers along the way, is decidedly terrible at being a politician.

Many of us do not want bigger/more government intervention into our lives, nor the taxes or escalated cost of living to pay for it all. We are tired of a government that wants to rule over us instead of promoting a healthy economy.

Hilary's qualifications mean nothing compared to her integrity and agenda. Many people still don't GET THAT, the idea that you are voting for the platform more than the person.

The ignorant/idiots are the ones that don't see their freedoms eroding because it happens a little at a time.

Like I said, ignorant and/or stupid.

 

[fskimospy]

Nope. A large group of people are tired of their freedoms being eroded away and Trump was an effective attempt to slow that train down. We would have elected a cardboard box to just sit there doing nothing if it's that vs furthering the liberal agenda.

Unfortunately Trump does not just sit there, lol. He has done many things right but being a sociopath, has ruffled many feathers along the way, is decidedly terrible at being a politician.

Many of us do not want bigger/more government intervention into our lives, nor the taxes or escalated cost of living to pay for it all. We are tired of a government that wants to rule over us instead of promoting a healthy economy.

Hilary's qualifications mean nothing compared to her integrity and agenda. Many people still don't GET THAT, the idea that you are voting for the platform more than the person.

The ignorant/idiots are the ones that don't see their freedoms eroding because it happens a little at a time.

Yes clearly if integrity is what you’re looking for you vote for the serial adulterer lifelong liar and con man who has used the office to commit a number of felonies, haha.

As far as bigger government goes, spending has exploded under Trump. How’s that for a small government agenda?

 

[JEDIYoda]

To admit that abortion at some or any stage is not to be allowed. Tulsi's already close to this as she used to be pro life, but I don't think yang is.

Tulsi will never get the nomination! Don`t hold your breath...lol

 

[brycejones]

Nope. A large group of people are tired of their freedoms being eroded away and Trump was an effective attempt to slow that train down. We would have elected a cardboard box to just sit there doing nothing if it's that vs furthering the liberal agenda.

Unfortunately Trump does not just sit there, lol. He has done many things right but being a sociopath, has ruffled many feathers along the way, is decidedly terrible at being a politician.

Many of us do not want bigger/more government intervention into our lives, nor the taxes or escalated cost of living to pay for it all. We are tired of a government that wants to rule over us instead of promoting a healthy economy.

Hilary's qualifications mean nothing compared to her integrity and agenda. Many people still don't GET THAT, the idea that you are voting for the platform more than the person.

The ignorant/idiots are the ones that don't see their freedoms eroding because it happens a little at a time.

One of the most appropriate names in this forum.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Like I said, ignorant and/or stupid.

Sadly a lot of Trumpsters wear a badge of ignorance or stupidity as a sign of honor!!!

 

[Viper1j]

Of course. They are afraid of a woman who thinks for herself. Actually they are afraid of anyone who thinks for themselves.

And the very saddest part of that, is that many of them will go home to women that will still get them laid.

Then again, there were many slaves, that chose to stay on the plantation, even after the Emancipation Proclamation was signed.

I guess, if Massa is good enough to you, you don't even see them thar' chains.

 

[Vic]

Nope. A large group of people are tired of their freedoms being eroded away and Trump was an effective attempt to slow that train down. We would have elected a cardboard box to just sit there doing nothing if it's that vs furthering the liberal agenda.

Unfortunately Trump does not just sit there, lol. He has done many things right but being a sociopath, has ruffled many feathers along the way, is decidedly terrible at being a politician.

Many of us do not want bigger/more government intervention into our lives, nor the taxes or escalated cost of living to pay for it all. We are tired of a government that wants to rule over us instead of promoting a healthy economy.

Hilary's qualifications mean nothing compared to her integrity and agenda. Many people still don't GET THAT, the idea that you are voting for the platform more than the person.

The ignorant/idiots are the ones that don't see their freedoms eroding because it happens a little at a time.

Which freedoms of yours, specifically, were being eroded away? If you're gonna to call people names, you oughta at least explain yourself besides buzzwords and propaganda.
What is the 'liberal agenda' besides the constitutional requirement of equal protection of the laws? Just because some angry talking media head may have told you something otherwise, doesn't that true.

Meanwhile, how is having a President who insists on controlling everything, and on taking the credit or dishing out the blame for everything, not having a govt that wants to rule over us? But I do suppose that might explain why the rate of economic growth has not increased with Trump. GDP growth 2019 Q3 was a 'weak' 2.1%.

And no, people do understand that they vote for a platform, and not a person. It's kinda ironic that someone inside Trump's cult of personality wouldn't see that.

 

[Jhhnn]

Nope. A large group of people are tired of their freedoms being eroded away and Trump was an effective attempt to slow that train down. We would have elected a cardboard box to just sit there doing nothing if it's that vs furthering the liberal agenda.

Unfortunately Trump does not just sit there, lol. He has done many things right but being a sociopath, has ruffled many feathers along the way, is decidedly terrible at being a politician.

Many of us do not want bigger/more government intervention into our lives, nor the taxes or escalated cost of living to pay for it all. We are tired of a government that wants to rule over us instead of promoting a healthy economy.

Hilary's qualifications mean nothing compared to her integrity and agenda. Many people still don't GET THAT, the idea that you are voting for the platform more than the person.

The ignorant/idiots are the ones that don't see their freedoms eroding because it happens a little at a time.

That's conservative code speak, right? It has to be, since it doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[Staples]

Obviously, if it was serious enough to turn a loyal supporter, it is fake news.

So in a word, probably not much could turn a Trump supporter.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Lets break this down...….

Nope. A large group of people are tired of their freedoms being eroded away and Trump was an effective attempt to slow that train down. We would have elected a cardboard box to just sit there doing nothing if it's that vs furthering the liberal agenda. --- Huh...liberal agenda…..lolololllll Yeah right!!

Unfortunately Trump does not just sit there, lol. He has done many things right but being a sociopath, has ruffled many feathers along the way, is decidedly terrible at being a politician. -- say what? Trump has done many things right? like what? O(hh...I get it being anti immigration and destroying and tearing apart families...lolol...ok...I guess that is many things right....

Many of us do not want bigger/more government intervention into our lives, nor the taxes or escalated cost of living to pay for it all. We are tired of a government that wants to rule over us instead of promoting a healthy economy. -- so how would you say what you just stated compared to Trumps Nazi Germany style approach! Either you are for me or you are against me??

Hilary's qualifications mean nothing compared to her integrity and agenda. Many people still don't GET THAT, the idea that you are voting for the platform more than the person. <-- as of late Trumps own DOJ has stated there was no wrong doing on Hillar6y`s part......go figure. Hillary -- 1 Trump -- 0

The ignorant/idiots are the ones that don't see their freedoms eroding because it happens a little at a time. -- yes and if you are a Republican that statement applies to you in many ways because you support Trump!!

But hey you are entitled to your opinion! Your just not entitled to sling false and misleading BS all over!!

 

[Vic]

That's conservative code speak, right? It has to be, since it doesn't make any sense at all.

It's basically self-serving BS. He's so awesome and smart, because of his conservative identity. Others are idiots and peons, because they're not his conservative identity. Or they're part of an evil agenda to take away his freedoms, because of his conservative identity. And Trump won because he's maintained the same economic growth rate as Obama. While liberals lost because they pushed a person and not a platform, even though the Trump platform consists entirely of Trump the personality cult. And so forth.

 

[soulcougher73]

Like I said, ignorant and/or stupid.

Well he even admits he is a mindless1. Dead giveaway.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's basically self-serving BS. He's so awesome and smart, because of his conservative identity. Others are idiots and peons, because they're not his conservative identity. Or they're part of an evil agenda to take away his freedoms, because of his conservative identity. And Trump won because he's maintained the same economic growth rate as Obama. While liberals lost because they pushed a person and not a platform, even though the Trump platform consists entirely of Trump the personality cult. And so forth.

The constant barrage of rightwing propaganda & disinformation has rendered them incapable of making rational decisions.
The Trump presidency is a triumph of truthiness, of feeling with the gut instead of thinking with the mind. It's what "Fuck *your* feelings" is all about. It's politics reduced to a raving home team sports fan mentality.

 

[Atreus21]

Pretty much, yeah.

Democrats are generally pretty moderate on abortion, with most accepting bans in the third trimester of some sort. Did you really think all Democrats are for unrestricted abortion or something? Is that what right wing media has been telling you?

Could you link to candidates expressing such opinions? Have any, for example, condemned the NY abortion law passed last year?

It certainly doesn't appear that way.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Could you link to candidates expressing such opinions? Have any, for example, condemned the NY abortion law passed last year?

I feel sorry for you! There are no candidates when it comes to the abortion issue that you will ever agree with or for that matter vote to support!
You are making this issue and mind you I am not discounting the importance of the issue of abortion!
But looking at the whole picture, at this moment in history it is not going to define this upcoming election!

 

[Jhhnn]

I feel sorry for you! There are no candidates when it comes to the abortion issue that you will ever agree with or for that matter vote to support!
You are making this issue and mind you I am discounting the importance of the issue of abortion!
But looking at the whole picture, at this moment in history it is not going to define this upcoming election!

Pro-life zealots are on a holy crusade. There is no sin when on a mission from God, so it's perfectly OK to make a deal with the Devil to achieve their sacred desires. There are no other considerations. Crazy as fuck, but it is what it is.

 

[fskimospy]

Which freedoms of yours, specifically, were being eroded away? If you're gonna to call people names, you oughta at least explain yourself besides buzzwords and propaganda.

Meanwhile, how is having a President who insists on controlling everything, and on taking the credit or dishing out the blame for, not having a govt that wants to rule over us? But I suppose that might explain why the rate of economic growth has not increased with Trump.

Could you link to candidates expressing such opinions? Have any, for example, condemned the NY abortion law passed last year?

It certainly doesn't appear that way.

What’s wrong with the New York abortion law? Lots of right wing misinformation about that law.

As for their positions it’s simple, I can’t recall a single one of them ever calling for the removal of already present late term restrictions on abortion. If elected president it is all but a certainty they would never try to have them removed either.

Really, if that’s the moderation you want then it’s there for the taking. I suspect you will talk yourself out of it though.

 

[mindless1]

Like I said, ignorant and/or stupid.

Could you be any less effective? Not only do you not have a rational counter argument about why it should be okay for others to do without what they want while you shouldn't have to do without what you want, you also pretend that arguing about it ad nauseam somehow makes a difference.

IF by some strange chance you managed to win a real argument rather than just be a majority in a popularity contest, what exactly have you accomplished? Absolutely nothing because you only win the argument in your own mind, do not end up doing anything to change the world towards the way you want it to be.

How many years will you persist before realizing this is madness and exactly why liberals must be stopped, because they want to insist that everyone has to agree with and do what they want, instead of freedom for everyone to live their own lives and have their own personal accountability.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Could you be any less effective? Not only do you not have a rational counter argument about why it should be okay for others to do without what they want while you shouldn't have to do without what you want, you also pretend that arguing about it ad nauseam somehow makes a difference.

IF by some strange chance you managed to win a real argument rather than just be a majority in a popularity contest, what exactly have you accomplished? Absolutely nothing because you only win the argument in your own mind, do not end up doing anything to change the world towards the way you want it to be.

How many years will you persist before realizing this is madness and exactly why liberals must be stopped, because they want to insist that everyone has to agree with and do what they want, instead of freedom for everyone to live their own lives and have their own personal accountability.

let us turn this around on you because it is very appropriate-- How many years will you persist before realizing this is madness and exactly why the Republicans must be stopped, because they want to insist that everyone has to agree with and do what they want, instead of freedom for everyone to live their own lives and have their own personal accountability.

IF by some strange chance you managed to win a real argument rather than just be a majority in a popularity contest, what exactly have you accomplished? Absolutely nothing because you only win the argument in your own mind, do not end up doing anything to change the world towards the way you want it to be.

Could you be any less effective? Not only do you not have a rational counter argument about why it should be okay for others to do without what they want while you shouldn't have to do without what you want, you also pretend that arguing about it ad nauseam somehow makes a difference. --

See how that works? Those words are much more applicable to people like you!