What would be the last straw for you, as a Trump supporter?

[K1052]

nm

 

[fskimospy]

It was particularly true under Obama but I’m amazed how often people say they would support democrats if only they were more moderate only to find out the moderate position is one they already hold.

I guess that shows the power of right wing media and the #bothsides movement.

 

[Commodus]

Yeah. I don't pay any attention to politics tbh. Only recently I am because of the Iran conflict. How much can you really believe of what you hear anyways? I know it's true about the Chinese hoax bit but I honestly don't believe 80% of what I see on the news. Fox, CNN, or whatever.

I'd argue that inattention to politics is extremely dangerous, especially given the current political landscape.

On that note, please, please vote Democrat. Declining to vote isn't a statement of objection; it's a vote for the status quo. And right now, that would mean helping Trump kill the planet. If you want him out, you have to vote for the candidate that stands the best chance of getting him out.

 

[Atreus21]

That’s the position of literally every Democrat running for president to the best of my knowledge.

Really? Regardless of "health" exceptions? You think every democrat presidential candidate would claim, "Beyond X weeks, you may not have an abortion for any reason beyond saving the life of the mother"?

 

[Brainonska511]

Really? Regardless of "health" exceptions? You think every democrat presidential candidate would claim, "Beyond X weeks, you may not have an abortion for any reason beyond saving the life of the mother"?

So you think women should be incubators for non-viable fetuses, with conditions such as severe hydrocephelus or other fatal congenital defects? With so few women seeking and obtaining abortions late-term, and the nature of medical science, it seems both cruel and unnecessary to put hard and fast regulatory caps on the procedure.


On a side note, it's always interesting when a single-issue abortion voter is a man...

 

[Atreus21]

So you think women should be incubators for non-viable fetuses, with conditions such as severe hydrocephelus or other fatal congenital defects?

Not the question. I want to know if democrat candidates are, as fskimospy said, generally in favor of some real restrictions on abortion.

 

[fskimospy]

Really? Regardless of "health" exceptions? You think every democrat presidential candidate would claim, "Beyond X weeks, you may not have an abortion for any reason beyond saving the life of the mother"?

Pretty much, yeah.

Democrats are generally pretty moderate on abortion, with most accepting bans in the third trimester of some sort. Did you really think all Democrats are for unrestricted abortion or something? Is that what right wing media has been telling you?

 

[Brainonska511]

Not the question. I want to know if democrat candidates are, as fskimospy said, generally in favor of some real restrictions on abortion.

I'm just pointing out the very real effects of a hard restriction on abortion.

 

[Atreus21]

On a side note, it's always interesting when a single-issue abortion voter is a man...

"Pro-Choice" or "Pro-Life," 2018-2019 Demographic Tables

Americans' identification in 2018-19 as "pro-choice" or "pro-life" on abortion is provided here in tabular form, with breakouts by key population subgroups.

news.gallup.com

There's a case to be made that women are more pro-life than men, and are also more likely to be pro-life than pro-choice.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm just pointing out the very real effects of a hard restriction on abortion.

meh, this is just the game he plays as a single issue voter. Trump flip flopped over the years, but once he decided to seek an office, he knew enough to pander to his preferred political crowd

Donald Trump's Evolving Stance on Abortion

The real estate mogul's views have changed dramatically over the years.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Atreus21]

Duplicate.

 

[ch33zw1z]

"Pro-Choice" or "Pro-Life," 2018-2019 Demographic Tables

Americans' identification in 2018-19 as "pro-choice" or "pro-life" on abortion is provided here in tabular form, with breakouts by key population subgroups.

news.gallup.com

This graph doesn't really address the statement though. The poll doesn't seem to say any of those people are single issue voters.

Not only that, but only posting a piece of the entire poll is shady. It's clear that education and age has a large influence on the stance.

 

[Atreus21]

This graph doesn't really address the statement though. The poll doesn't seem to say any of those people are single issue voters.

But it does address the implication that men should have no opinion on abortion because they're not women, or that men only oppose abortion as a mechanism for oppressing women.

 

[dank69]

Yeah. I don't pay any attention to politics tbh. Only recently I am because of the Iran conflict. How much can you really believe of what you hear anyways? I know it's true about the Chinese hoax bit but I honestly don't believe 80% of what I see on the news. Fox, CNN, or whatever.

Well then your conditioning is complete.

 

[ch33zw1z]

But it does address the implication that men should have no opinion on abortion because they're not women.

Only in the sense that they're part of the poll, another dubious assertion. Your opinion may not be taken into a account between a woman and her licensed healthcare professionals.

 

[Atreus21]

Only in the sense that they're part of the poll, another dubious assertion. Your opinion may not be taken into a account between a woman and her licensed healthcare professionals.

I'm not going to be drawn further into the abortion debate. I'm more interested in what fskimospy claimed.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm not going to be drawn further into the abortion debate. I'm more interested in what fskimospy claimed.

you posted the link, and it's certainly apparent that your intention was not to represent the entirety of the poll honestly.

 

[dank69]

But it does address the implication that men should have no opinion on abortion because they're not women, or that men only oppose abortion as a mechanism for oppressing women.

There are plenty of women that are happy to oppress other women. For example, women past menopause who are vehemently pro life should have just as much say as men. Really, the only people this affects are women that can get pregnant now or in the future. And no I'm not interested in starting a debate about whether or not the fetus qualifies as people so don't even start.

 

[dank69]

I'm not going to be drawn further into the abortion debate. I'm more interested in what fskimospy claimed.

Fski posted a reply to you already.

 

[cytg111]

For me, personally, I think I'd draw the line with him raping my wife. And my kids. But you know, then again, Id probably let that slide you know? Trump is gonna Trump, what are you gonna do! The guy is fighting for us, the little guy. I just love that orange bastard too much. #MAGA. #WINNING. Finally we have someone on OUR side.. *cough* sorry my lung cancer is acting up again, snorting too much coal, cant afford meth anymore .. and fuck that obamacare shit, get off my lung cancer you socialist pig. #MAGA. *cough* *cough* *croaking*.

*falling*

... fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanders ......

*dead*

[narrators voice : this true believer was provided to you by courtesy of GOPTV and the Koch brothers. Press *here* if you wanna buy more.]

 

[ch33zw1z]

Pretty much, yeah.

Democrats are generally pretty moderate on abortion, with most accepting bans in the third trimester of some sort. Did you really think all Democrats are for unrestricted abortion or something? Is that what right wing media has been telling you?

Trust Trump, that's all you need to know:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/20/rip-the-baby-out-of-the-womb-what-donald-trump-got-wrong-about-abortion-in-america/

And of course, a conservative trusted news source:

Donald Trump says Hillary Clinton would let abortion doctors ‘rip baby out of womb’

Abortion emerged as a flash point in the final presidential debate Wednesday night, with Republican Donald Trump claiming his opponent, Hillary Clinton, would allow doctors to “rip the baby out of the womb” just days before birth.

www.washingtontimes.com

50 year grudge, even though actual numbers show how abortions are happening less and less.

Roe vs Wade inadvertently opened the door to more comprehensive sexual education, with a focus on preventing unwanted pregnancies, and it worked....even with conservatives fighting that also.

Data and Statistics - Reproductive Health | CDC

Monitoring maternal and infant mortality and reproductive health complications and gathering data to better understand the extent of maternal and infant morbidity.

www.cdc.gov

91% were at or less than 13 weeks.

Guys like Atreus want 0 abortions, that's what all those conservative states are doing with a challenge to R v W. It's not the wild west like they want people to believe it is.

 

[fskimospy]

Trust Trump, that's all you need to know:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/20/rip-the-baby-out-of-the-womb-what-donald-trump-got-wrong-about-abortion-in-america/

And of course, a conservative trusted news source:

Donald Trump says Hillary Clinton would let abortion doctors ‘rip baby out of womb’

Abortion emerged as a flash point in the final presidential debate Wednesday night, with Republican Donald Trump claiming his opponent, Hillary Clinton, would allow doctors to “rip the baby out of the womb” just days before birth.

www.washingtontimes.com

50 year grudge, even though actual numbers show how abortions are happening less and less.

Roe vs Wade inadvertently opened the door to more comprehensive sexual education, with a focus on preventing unwanted pregnancies, and it worked....even with conservatives fighting that also.

Data and Statistics - Reproductive Health | CDC

Monitoring maternal and infant mortality and reproductive health complications and gathering data to better understand the extent of maternal and infant morbidity.

www.cdc.gov

91% were at or less than 13 weeks.

Guys like Atreus want 0 abortions, that's what all those conservative states are doing with a challenge to R v W. It's not the wild west like they want people to believe it is.

I mean if he wants zero abortions that’s his business but he said he was open to voting for Democrats if they moderated on abortion.

The good news is that every single candidate to the best of my knowledge already holds the moderate position he wants! I suspect this will not change his vote though.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I mean if he wants zero abortions that’s his business but he said he was open to voting for Democrats if they moderated on abortion.

The good news is that every single candidate to the best of my knowledge already holds the moderate position he wants! I suspect this will not change his vote though.

TMK, Warren is the only one that has presented any kind of real plan, and it won't be to his liking. However, if Biden gets the nomination, Atreus should should have no problem with that, as Biden is certainly moderate / slightly conservative on the issue

 

[Moonbeam]

Atreus is against the murder of human beings. He believes that all good people would agree. He is profoundly dedicated to being a good person as all people SHOULD be. This also means that he opposes evil with the fervor of moral contempt. In that condition he will never see who he really is, that all his beliefs about good and evil are the product of conditioning. He is a believer who believes his belief makes him good. He does not see that real good is real and does not depend on him. He does not see the arrogance of his claims. He wills the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth he holds as opinion while standing in the midst of the real thing. There is only love and only the lover knows it.

 

[HomerJS]

"Pro-Choice" or "Pro-Life," 2018-2019 Demographic Tables

Americans' identification in 2018-19 as "pro-choice" or "pro-life" on abortion is provided here in tabular form, with breakouts by key population subgroups.

news.gallup.com

There's a case to be made that women are more pro-life than men, and are also more likely to be pro-life than pro-choice.

For someone who is so anti-abortion I've never seen you advoate for free birth control. Seems that would make sense