What the West Needs to Know About Islam.

[Amused]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

it was mainly nonviolent. there were lots of violent parts, though.

also, whenever they took slaves, the slaves ended up having a better life than their normal lives would have been. they had pretty much all the freedoms everyone else had... and they were allowed to practice their own religion.

Ya know... just stop.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/equality.htm

Please learn what "know your sources" means and what an unbiased, valid source is, mmmmkay?

how isn't that valid? the documentation is accurate and valid. the references are valid. the scripture is not fabricated.

If you cannot see the obvious bias and propaganda on that site, I truly feel sorry for you. A sopurce must be objective to be valid. That source is so far from objective it's not even funny.

Let me ask you, if I were trying to counter claims of Catholic Church brutality by using the Vatican's website, would you accept that as a valid source?

Another hint: Never post a page from ANY source that claims slavery was beneficial to the victims. That right there should have let you know the page was full of sh!t.

who cares? these are facts, not opinions. if they were opinions, i'd agree with your bitching. but since they're not opinions, it doesn't matter.

also, you should have learned about this in 9th grade modern world history class.

Wow... just wow.

I was going to list all the instances in which you've been shown to be completely ignorant of history in this thread, but none of that can compete with the way you are destroying yourself here.

Anyhow, here is a site that points out the complete fabrications and misleading propaganda of the site you posted:

http://www.answering-islam.de/Main///Responses/Osama/index.htm

I revert back to my previous response to you:

Ya know... just stop.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: RichardE
Islam is not peaceful. Christianity is not peaceful. They are religions.
/thread

edited

haha :thumbsup:

Quote the part of the New Testament where Jesus taught to kill non-believers.

I know I'm late, but I didn't really think this existed until I looked.

Luke 19 verse 27.

Jesus speaking: "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

linky

 

[0roo0roo]

http://www.iheu.org/node/1541
Apostasy and Human Rights

basically islam is fundamentally incompatible with the universal declaration of human rights.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

it was mainly nonviolent. there were lots of violent parts, though.

also, whenever they took slaves, the slaves ended up having a better life than their normal lives would have been. they had pretty much all the freedoms everyone else had... and they were allowed to practice their own religion.

Ya know... just stop.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/equality.htm

Please learn what "know your sources" means and what an unbiased, valid source is, mmmmkay?

how isn't that valid? the documentation is accurate and valid. the references are valid. the scripture is not fabricated.

If you cannot see the obvious bias and propaganda on that site, I truly feel sorry for you. A sopurce must be objective to be valid. That source is so far from objective it's not even funny.

Let me ask you, if I were trying to counter claims of Catholic Church brutality by using the Vatican's website, would you accept that as a valid source?

Another hint: Never post a page from ANY source that claims slavery was beneficial to the victims. That right there should have let you know the page was full of sh!t.

who cares? these are facts, not opinions. if they were opinions, i'd agree with your bitching. but since they're not opinions, it doesn't matter.

also, you should have learned about this in 9th grade modern world history class.

Wow... just wow.

I was going to list all the instances in which you've been shown to be completely ignorant of history in this thread, but none of that can compete with the way you are destroying yourself here.

I revert back to my previous response to you:

Ya know... just stop.

:roll:

ok, so, i guess you didn't learn about it in 9th grade modern world history, then?

like i said, the link i posted is just for you to read the documented scriptures and texts. it's not about opinion... it's the facts and koran quotes that i wanted you to see.

if you want more links, fine:
http://www.globalwebpost.com/farooqm/writings/islamic/slavery.html
http://www.answers.com/topic/islam-and-slavery
http://www.free-minds.org/slaves.htm
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Islam_and_Slavery

etc. etc.

 

[Analog]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: RichardE
Islam is not peaceful. Christianity is not peaceful. They are religions.
/thread

edited

haha :thumbsup:

I know I'm late, but I didn't really think this existed until I looked.

Luke 19 verse 27.

Jesus speaking: "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

linky

Quote the part of the New Testament where Jesus taught to kill non-believers.

Taken out of context. Jesus is talking about His return. When He returns, He will bring judgement, and those that don't accept Him will be purged.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

it was mainly nonviolent. there were lots of violent parts, though.

also, whenever they took slaves, the slaves ended up having a better life than their normal lives would have been. they had pretty much all the freedoms everyone else had... and they were allowed to practice their own religion.

Ya know... just stop.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/equality.htm

Please learn what "know your sources" means and what an unbiased, valid source is, mmmmkay?

how isn't that valid? the documentation is accurate and valid. the references are valid. the scripture is not fabricated.

If you cannot see the obvious bias and propaganda on that site, I truly feel sorry for you. A sopurce must be objective to be valid. That source is so far from objective it's not even funny.

Let me ask you, if I were trying to counter claims of Catholic Church brutality by using the Vatican's website, would you accept that as a valid source?

Another hint: Never post a page from ANY source that claims slavery was beneficial to the victims. That right there should have let you know the page was full of sh!t.

who cares? these are facts, not opinions. if they were opinions, i'd agree with your bitching. but since they're not opinions, it doesn't matter.

also, you should have learned about this in 9th grade modern world history class.

Wow... just wow.

I was going to list all the instances in which you've been shown to be completely ignorant of history in this thread, but none of that can compete with the way you are destroying yourself here.

I revert back to my previous response to you:

Ya know... just stop.

:roll:

ok, so, i guess you didn't learn about it in 9th grade modern world history, then?

like i said, the link i posted is just for you to read the documented scriptures and texts. it's not about opinion... it's the facts and koran quotes that i wanted you to see.

if you want more links, fine:
http://www.globalwebpost.com/farooqm/writings/islamic/slavery.html
http://www.answers.com/topic/islam-and-slavery
http://www.free-minds.org/slaves.htm
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Islam_and_Slavery

etc. etc.

Again, when you post a site that says slaves benefited from their enslavement, you need to check yourself. That Muslims may have COMPARATIVELY treated their slaves better than others is meaningless.

And it's pointless to the fact that from the first time you posted in this thread you've been talking out of your ass. Now, I know your ass is probably stinging a good bit after I spanked it over your complete misinformation of pre-crusade Muslim violence and the cause of the crusades themselves... but to fixate on irrelvant slavery in a vain attemept to justify the rest of your bullsh!t is just sad.

Again... just stop.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Canai
Yeah during the crusades the Muslims modeled their "kill everyone" ploicy after the Christians'

yup. that's got truth to it.

Actually, he doesn't know his history, and neither do you. Better step off the stage before you make an ass of yourself. Oh wait, you already have.
In any case, both religious denominations had been tolerant, and both had been cruel and persecuting.
Particular examples are easy to find, provided you know your stuff, which apparently you two don't.
Roger I of Sicily let Jews, Christians, Muslims all freely practice their faith in 1081 A.D.
Saladin (Of Kurdish background, the same Kurds who are trying to help rebuild Iraq and be productive about it all) was very benign and let Christian Pilgrims *enter* Jerusalem to pray, before being kicked out.
Islam itself is a warlike religion, the same cannot be based on Christianity, as Jesus Christ encouraged peace and mutual love, these teachings coming from the 2nd testemant, not the first, which is a story of the Jews and how they became God's chosen people.
So in truth, neither of you had any original thought and are just regurgitating what liberals, what media, and what other manipulative people say.

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
interesting... should spark some debate

For sure.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Canai
Yeah during the crusades the Muslims modeled their "kill everyone" ploicy after the Christians'

yup. that's got truth to it.

Actually, he doesn't know his history, and neither do you. Better step off the stage before you make an ass of yourself. Oh wait, you already have.
In any case, both religious denominations had been tolerant, and both had been cruel and persecuting.
Particular examples are easy to find, provided you know your stuff, which apparently you two don't.
Roger I of Sicily let Jews, Christians, Muslims all freely practice their faith in 1081 A.D.
Saladin (Of Kurdish background, the same Kurds who are trying to help rebuild Iraq and be productive about it all) was very benign and let Christian Pilgrims *enter* Jerusalem to pray, before being kicked out.
Islam itself is a warlike religion, the same cannot be based on Christianity, as Jesus Christ encouraged peace and mutual love, these teachings coming from the 2nd testemant, not the first, which is a story of the Jews and how they became God's chosen people.
So in truth, neither of you had any original thought and are just regurgitating what liberals, what media, and what other manipulative people say.

Jesus is a prophet in Islam and his message is pretty much identical. The only difference is he is not the son of God in Islam.

 

[Goosemaster]

interesting thread.

 

[bluemax]

What the west needs to know about Islam...... *BOOM!!!*

I'm sorry - but "death to the infidels" is hard-coded in there, and that's just plain evil. There were some great National Geographic pictures some years back of a bunch of Islamic men chasing down a terrified Christian man, butchering him in the streets with machetes then walking away pretending to be sorry for their actions. They asked the cameraman if he was a Christian... and if he had any objections to their actions he would be next.

Evil. Just plain evil.

[disclaimer:] Yes, some Christians (especially the pope himself) have also committed atrocities, but this is against what the bible teaches, wheras the koran encourages, if not requires death to the pigs and monkeys that are Americans, Jews and Christians.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: JS80
nice propaganda. we all know they are second class citizens in Iran.

and yea, my high school/college friends' parents didn't travel by camel across the desert to escape the Revolution. all jew liez.

iran is home to the 2nd largest population of jews in the middle east. 1st is israel.

yea the funny thing about that population, they aren't allowed to leave. they have heavy travel restrictions, whole families cannot leave at the same time. so i guess they are essentially prisoners.

Your information is 200% wrong

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm

ugh, you post some article that doesn't state specifics and you assume it backs you up?. i never said they were banned from travel. just held hostage. its hard to run if i say..keep your children from traveling with you or such when you travel. the bbc article you linked said nothing about having the whole family leave. just that travel was possible. thats a big difference.

"Jewish citizens are permitted to obtain passports and to travel outside the country, but they often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jewish persons to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Iranian government is concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time.[29]"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews#Discrimination

and the fact that there are any left is rather meaningless. many jews stayed in germany long after they saw the signs it was going bad because they were nationalistic and felt german and didn't want to abandon their country. doesn't make germany during the time a good place at all.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: JS80
nice propaganda. we all know they are second class citizens in Iran.

and yea, my high school/college friends' parents didn't travel by camel across the desert to escape the Revolution. all jew liez.

iran is home to the 2nd largest population of jews in the middle east. 1st is israel.

yea the funny thing about that population, they aren't allowed to leave. they have heavy travel restrictions, whole families cannot leave at the same time. so i guess they are essentially prisoners.

Your information is 200% wrong

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm

ugh, you post some article that doesn't state specifics and you assume it backs you up?. i never said they were banned from travel. just held hostage. its hard to run if i say..keep your children from traveling with you or such when you travel. the bbc article you linked said nothing about having the whole family leave. just that travel was possible. thats a big difference.

"Jewish citizens are permitted to obtain passports and to travel outside the country, but they often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jewish persons to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Iranian government is concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time.[29]"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews#Discrimination

Read the end of the article.

Nobody is held back from traveling.

Please read the entire article. It talks about Jews inside Iran and how Jewish members travel to Israel without any problems and back.

Your wikipedia post is a joke. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone and my article which is from BBC proves that wikipedia is not reliable at all. This is why credited universities do not accept wikipedia as a reliable source.

 

[thehstrybean]

Muslims are violent?

No fvcking way!!!

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: JS80
nice propaganda. we all know they are second class citizens in Iran.

and yea, my high school/college friends' parents didn't travel by camel across the desert to escape the Revolution. all jew liez.

iran is home to the 2nd largest population of jews in the middle east. 1st is israel.

yea the funny thing about that population, they aren't allowed to leave. they have heavy travel restrictions, whole families cannot leave at the same time. so i guess they are essentially prisoners.

Your information is 200% wrong

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm

ugh, you post some article that doesn't state specifics and you assume it backs you up?. i never said they were banned from travel. just held hostage. its hard to run if i say..keep your children from traveling with you or such when you travel. the bbc article you linked said nothing about having the whole family leave. just that travel was possible. thats a big difference.

"Jewish citizens are permitted to obtain passports and to travel outside the country, but they often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jewish persons to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Iranian government is concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time.[29]"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews#Discrimination

Read the end of the article.

Nobody is held back from traveling.

Please read the entire article. It talks about Jews inside Iran and how Jewish members travel to Israel without any problems and back.

Your wikipedia post is a joke. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone and my article which is from BBC proves that wikipedia is not reliable at all. This is why credited universities do not accept wikipedia as a reliable source.

sorry that is not what it says, it doesn't say the whole family can travel together and leave. it just says travel is possible with heavy restrictions. you are seeing things in the text that simply aren't there.

 

[0roo0roo]

and btw reliable source? your source says something general which you take liberties with to include what you pull out of your ass. wtf are you talking about, obviously you didn't even bother loading up the page. my source has a link to a source for its quoted information. wikipedia is a joke? yes.. not wikipedia but the US government did you even bother to look? course not. you aren't interested in the truth.

 

[Aimster]

You lack reading comprehension skills or your brain doesn't comprehend things because it refuses to believe the truth because there is no way a Muslim country protects Jews. You are the Jewish defender from the evil Muslims. In this case those evil Muslims have protected the Jews and given them rights. Must suck for you. You will some day be out of a job if this continues!

"But today many Iranian Jews travel to and from Iran's enemy Israel. "

"Whatever they say abroad is lies - we are comfortable in Iran - if you're not political and don't bother them then they won't bother you," he explains. "

"His customer, middle-aged housewife Giti agrees, saying she can easily talk to her two sons in Tel Aviv on the telephone and visit them. "
Her children must have teleported to Tel Aviv

Gone are the early days of the Iranian revolution when Jews - and many Muslims - found it hard to get passports to travel abroad. - It was not Jews who found it hard to get passports abroad in those days

"In the last five years the government has allowed Iranian Jews to go to Israel freely, meet their families and when they come back they face no problems," says Mr Mohtamed.

"Those Jews who remain in Iran seem to have made a conscious decision to stay put. "

"We are Iranian and we have been living in Iran for more than 3,000 years," says the Jewish hospital director Ciamak Morsathegh.

"I am not going to leave - I will stay in Iran under any conditions," he declares.

 

[her209]

You think that's bad... look at these videos

 

[matchbox1012]

Islam is not peacefull one, maybe have some violence.
that's a real question

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: matchbox1012
Islam is not peacefull one, maybe have some violence.
that's a real question

English...do you speak it?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: matchbox1012
Islam is not peacefull one, maybe have some violence.
that's a real question

huh?

what's a real question?

edit: actually, i don't understand anything of what you just said... wtf are you saying?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: her209
You think that's bad... look at these videos

Republician training camp

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Aimster
You lack reading comprehension skills or your brain doesn't comprehend things because it refuses to believe the truth because there is no way a Muslim country protects Jews. You are the Jewish defender from the evil Muslims. In this case those evil Muslims have protected the Jews and given them rights. Must suck for you. You will some day be out of a job if this continues!

"But today many Iranian Jews travel to and from Iran's enemy Israel. "

"Whatever they say abroad is lies - we are comfortable in Iran - if you're not political and don't bother them then they won't bother you," he explains. "

"His customer, middle-aged housewife Giti agrees, saying she can easily talk to her two sons in Tel Aviv on the telephone and visit them. "
Her children must have teleported to Tel Aviv

Gone are the early days of the Iranian revolution when Jews - and many Muslims - found it hard to get passports to travel abroad. - It was not Jews who found it hard to get passports abroad in those days

"In the last five years the government has allowed Iranian Jews to go to Israel freely, meet their families and when they come back they face no problems," says Mr Mohtamed.

"Those Jews who remain in Iran seem to have made a conscious decision to stay put. "

"We are Iranian and we have been living in Iran for more than 3,000 years," says the Jewish hospital director Ciamak Morsathegh.

"I am not going to leave - I will stay in Iran under any conditions," he declares.

i'm sorry thats pretty damn weak if thats all you can pull out of your ass to defend yourself. i'm sure that family has more than just the kids mentioned. anyone left behind can be made to pay for the others running. bending over backwards to stretch vague quotes to fit your agenda. or are you that niave i guess thats just how apologists are.

once again here u are

"Jewish citizens are permitted to obtain passports and to travel outside the country, but they often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jewish persons to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Government appears concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time. "http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35497.htm

specific evidence, not vague quotes from collaborator stooges.

and as said before, there were jews in germany that stayed long after it was clear the country was going rotten out of loyalty to their country. that doesn't absolve that country of its crimes in the slightest.

relying on quotes from an iranian government stooge for a source isnt the best thing either a supposed jew that supports a nuclear iran and donates money to the palestinian cause

a little explaination here

The silence, therefore, of the Iranian Jewish community inside Iran concerning discrimination and persecution is in itself evidence of the dangerous and precarious situation the community finds itself in and which it is unable to denounce without breaking its contractual agreement as a religious minority living in a Muslim land.

This contractual agreement under Sharia Islamic Law presupposes complete loyalty to the Islamic Regime, in exchange for which the minority community receives second-class limited privileges in practicing its religion. If the terms of this contract are breached, supposedly even by individual members of the community, the limited privileges of the entire community can be suspended or revoked or the minority community (in this instance the Jewish community) can even face deportation from the country.

Under these circumstances the Iranian Jewish Community must avoid any statements that could be interpreted as critical of the regime and forces the government-imposed or government-tolerated leaders of the Iranian Jewish Community to turn in or turn against those individual members of the community who are brave enough to dare to speak out about the true condition of Jews in Iran. http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2003/March/Jews/

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Aimster
You lack reading comprehension skills or your brain doesn't comprehend things because it refuses to believe the truth because there is no way a Muslim country protects Jews. You are the Jewish defender from the evil Muslims. In this case those evil Muslims have protected the Jews and given them rights. Must suck for you. You will some day be out of a job if this continues!

"But today many Iranian Jews travel to and from Iran's enemy Israel. "

"Whatever they say abroad is lies - we are comfortable in Iran - if you're not political and don't bother them then they won't bother you," he explains. "

"His customer, middle-aged housewife Giti agrees, saying she can easily talk to her two sons in Tel Aviv on the telephone and visit them. "
Her children must have teleported to Tel Aviv

Gone are the early days of the Iranian revolution when Jews - and many Muslims - found it hard to get passports to travel abroad. - It was not Jews who found it hard to get passports abroad in those days

"In the last five years the government has allowed Iranian Jews to go to Israel freely, meet their families and when they come back they face no problems," says Mr Mohtamed.

"Those Jews who remain in Iran seem to have made a conscious decision to stay put. "

"We are Iranian and we have been living in Iran for more than 3,000 years," says the Jewish hospital director Ciamak Morsathegh.

"I am not going to leave - I will stay in Iran under any conditions," he declares.

i'm sorry thats pretty damn weak if thats all you can pull out of your ass to defend yourself. i'm sure that family has more than just the kids mentioned. anyone left behind can be made to pay for the others running. bending over backwards to stretch vague quotes to fit your agenda. or are you that niave i guess thats just how apologists are.

once again here u are

"Jewish citizens are permitted to obtain passports and to travel outside the country, but they often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jewish persons to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Government appears concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time. "http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35497.htm

specific evidence, not vague quotes from collaborator stooges.

and as said before, there were jews in germany that stayed long after it was clear the country was going rotten out of loyalty to their country. that doesn't absolve that country of its crimes in the slightest.

relying on quotes from an iranian government stooge for a source isnt the best thing either a supposed jew that supports a nuclear iran and donates money to the palestinian cause

a little explaination here

The silence, therefore, of the Iranian Jewish community inside Iran concerning discrimination and persecution is in itself evidence of the dangerous and precarious situation the community finds itself in and which it is unable to denounce without breaking its contractual agreement as a religious minority living in a Muslim land.

This contractual agreement under Sharia Islamic Law presupposes complete loyalty to the Islamic Regime, in exchange for which the minority community receives second-class limited privileges in practicing its religion. If the terms of this contract are breached, supposedly even by individual members of the community, the limited privileges of the entire community can be suspended or revoked or the minority community (in this instance the Jewish community) can even face deportation from the country.

Under these circumstances the Iranian Jewish Community must avoid any statements that could be interpreted as critical of the regime and forces the government-imposed or government-tolerated leaders of the Iranian Jewish Community to turn in or turn against those individual members of the community who are brave enough to dare to speak out about the true condition of Jews in Iran. http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2003/March/Jews/

wtf are u quoting? random BS again?

I quoted directly from a reliable source that has interviewed Jews living inside Iran.

I dont give a damn what your random websites pulled out of google.com search have to say.

You are not posting a damn thing that is going against my source.

state.gov? U.S has no connections with Iran. There are no U.S personnel inside Iran. The U.S has no contact with Jews living inside Iran. You call that a reliable site? I laugh.
Go believe that Iraq had WMD. Our intelligence of the M.E is so accurate.

Iranian.com? Lol. A site run by a bunch of people who haven't been to Iran in 25+ years.
Brilliant!

My source: Quotes from Jews living inside Iran who travel outside Iran to Israel
Your sources: "Hi I have never been to Iran but I am going to write about how life is for a minority class inside Iran. My information is based off of documents. I didnt talk to any Jews inside Iran. I just read a piece of paper and I got my information from that"

So... let's see.. I wonder whose source is more reliable.

 

[Exterous]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Aimster
You lack reading comprehension skills or your brain doesn't comprehend things because it refuses to believe the truth because there is no way a Muslim country protects Jews. You are the Jewish defender from the evil Muslims. In this case those evil Muslims have protected the Jews and given them rights. Must suck for you. You will some day be out of a job if this continues!

"But today many Iranian Jews travel to and from Iran's enemy Israel. "

"Whatever they say abroad is lies - we are comfortable in Iran - if you're not political and don't bother them then they won't bother you," he explains. "

"His customer, middle-aged housewife Giti agrees, saying she can easily talk to her two sons in Tel Aviv on the telephone and visit them. "
Her children must have teleported to Tel Aviv

Gone are the early days of the Iranian revolution when Jews - and many Muslims - found it hard to get passports to travel abroad. - It was not Jews who found it hard to get passports abroad in those days

"In the last five years the government has allowed Iranian Jews to go to Israel freely, meet their families and when they come back they face no problems," says Mr Mohtamed.

"Those Jews who remain in Iran seem to have made a conscious decision to stay put. "

"We are Iranian and we have been living in Iran for more than 3,000 years," says the Jewish hospital director Ciamak Morsathegh.

"I am not going to leave - I will stay in Iran under any conditions," he declares.

i'm sorry thats pretty damn weak if thats all you can pull out of your ass to defend yourself. i'm sure that family has more than just the kids mentioned. anyone left behind can be made to pay for the others running. bending over backwards to stretch vague quotes to fit your agenda. or are you that niave i guess thats just how apologists are.

once again here u are

"Jewish citizens are permitted to obtain passports and to travel outside the country, but they often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jewish persons to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Government appears concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time. "http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35497.htm

specific evidence, not vague quotes from collaborator stooges.

and as said before, there were jews in germany that stayed long after it was clear the country was going rotten out of loyalty to their country. that doesn't absolve that country of its crimes in the slightest.

relying on quotes from an iranian government stooge for a source isnt the best thing either a supposed jew that supports a nuclear iran and donates money to the palestinian cause

a little explaination here

The silence, therefore, of the Iranian Jewish community inside Iran concerning discrimination and persecution is in itself evidence of the dangerous and precarious situation the community finds itself in and which it is unable to denounce without breaking its contractual agreement as a religious minority living in a Muslim land.

This contractual agreement under Sharia Islamic Law presupposes complete loyalty to the Islamic Regime, in exchange for which the minority community receives second-class limited privileges in practicing its religion. If the terms of this contract are breached, supposedly even by individual members of the community, the limited privileges of the entire community can be suspended or revoked or the minority community (in this instance the Jewish community) can even face deportation from the country.

Under these circumstances the Iranian Jewish Community must avoid any statements that could be interpreted as critical of the regime and forces the government-imposed or government-tolerated leaders of the Iranian Jewish Community to turn in or turn against those individual members of the community who are brave enough to dare to speak out about the true condition of Jews in Iran. http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2003/March/Jews/

wtf are u quoting? random BS again?

I quoted directly from a reliable source that has interviewed Jews living inside Iran.

I dont give a damn what your random websites pulled out of google.com search have to say.

You are not posting a damn thing that is going against my source.

state.gov? U.S has no connections with Iran. There are no U.S personnel inside Iran. The U.S has no contact with Jews living inside Iran. You call that a reliable site? I laugh.
Go believe that Iraq had WMD. Our intelligence of the M.E is so accurate.

Iranian.com? Lol. A site run by a bunch of people who haven't been to Iran in 25+ years.
Brilliant!

My source: Quotes from Jews living inside Iran who travel outside Iran to Israel
Your sources: "Hi I have never been to Iran but I am going to write about how life is for a minority class inside Iran. My information is based off of documents. I didnt talk to any Jews inside Iran. I just read a piece of paper and I got my information from that"

So... let's see.. I wonder whose source is more reliable.

Its bad practice to site only one source and base your entire argument on it. Not to mention the recent rash of erroneous reporting we've seen by 'credible' news agencies. Also, the interviews only mentioned a few Jewish interviews. If we are to take ~50,000 Jews in Iran as an accurate population base then the interviews of 2-3 Jewish people does not make the claim a fact.

I am not picking a side in this case as I do not know enough and have not read enough sources to make a decision on the matter - merely pointing out that arguments need to be supported waaaaaay better.