reliable sources please
If it is so common then find them.
Go on there are plenty of news organizations to pick from.
Now some Jewishlibrary blah blah .com
Hell I can post about Muslim brutalities inside Israel from Muslimlibrary blah blah .com
I guess Israel is bad towards Muslims now because Muslimlibrary blah blah .com said so.
He has a point, Israel has an unfair military advantage against the Arabs living in Israel (who call themselves "palestinian"). These "palestinians" want to kill the jews living in Israel, but it's so unfair, the Jews have tanks and missiles! This is an injustice that must be righted!
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sorry, its not simply politics, their views are colored by antisemitism and muslim view of religious superiority where they cannot stand not being in charge with the other religions forced into status as second class citizens at best. the fact that the protocols of the elders of zion and mein kampf are widely read and many irrational things are believed and said about jews, blaiming them for everything shows its not simply about some valid political position. when critisism is only directed at israel and there are double standards and absurd standards not applied to any other countries and the arguements go far beyond ones that are valid it reeks of antisemitism. labels of being against zionism tend to simply be a mask for antisemitism in the middle east. the area wouldn't be as screwed up as it is if it were simply political and based on valid grievances. http://www.adl.org/israel/advocacy/how_...nd/anti_semitism_criticism.asp?xflag=1
this kind of stuff goes far beyond valid critisism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em-MnAYiEWk&mode=related&search=
its more like brain washed hate and death worship
many more videos on that site like that.
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Lifer
hey, douchebag, i was never rude to you, so stop being a butthole and show me the same respect i gave you. just because you disagree with my experienced opinion doesn't mean you can constantly verbally attack me.
i've got friends from iran who are jewish. my entire family on my dad's side is muslim. we've had LOTS of discussions about various things, INCLUDING jews. no one cares. they only care about the zionists taking land from the palestinian people and bullying them around the area... they feel it's disgustingly unfair. they also hate the fact that america supports the unfairness... yet, at the same time, they actually like america and would love to go there at some time.
also, about 85-90% of the population hates the current government... most people wish the islamic revolution never happened. they want to be secular and have relations with the united states.
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basically yes, they are upset they can't kill more jews which is apparently their right. how unfair. its horrible. theres no law that says war must be fair. and frankly the palestinians wouldn't be occupied if they had just accepted peace from day one. it was originally 3 tiny islands of jewish land in that original two state partition with themajoirty going to the palestinians. but well they rejected peace over..and over ..and over again. and now they gripe about their suffering which is basically self imposed.
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Lifer
the funny thing is that you're the one who needs a history lesson. and my sense of priority? good one. just because i'd give the finger to george w bush if i had the chance, regardless of whether or not there were kids around, doesn't mean i have a poor sense of priority, you smug fvck. it means that i'm an opportunist. priority is subjective... or did they not teach you that in moron state university?
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i'm sorry, you don't get off saying its the same as an isolated incident like in the us. this is different, this is a religion based government with institutionalized religious intolerance/discrimination. the fact that you can't even admit this shows how much of an apologist you are. not everything is the same as everything else. as for living as a jew in iran being so easy "dude", how about you go there and try. the simple fact is they are second class citizens. sure they aren't all being exterminated, but thats a low standard to go by. and its a sad way to defend a criminal regiem. its nothing new that people can survive in the face of injustice, and that doesn't make the injustice go away.
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Lifer
uh, wrong. they're upset that their houses get bulldozed over because some newbs came and took over their territory. they're upset because the israeli army gets tons of monetary support from tons of western nations, while they have to fend for themselves. unfortunately for the palestinians, the middle east's pocket isn't as deep as the west's... so, with the money they get from countries like syria, iran, etc., they use it as best they can... bombs and whatnot.
i'm not arguing that they're right... i'm telling you their point of view on the matter. i'm just explaining to you how they feel because you are obviously misinformed.
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Lifer
??? the point i was making is that you can make a couple isolated incidents seem like a perpetual and huge atrocity against a group of people... you can make any molehill into a mountain.
i'm telling you AS A FACT that jews in iran live just like a muslim in iran would... i don't understand what's so hard about understanding that. i don't understand why you can't grasp the concept that iranians DON'T CARE. iran is pretty damn secular and no one really cares about religion over there (the people, that is... not the government. the government's a piece of radical shyt).
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their houses get bulldozed because they cannot be trusted to not try and kill civilians. by historical standards thats a very fair punishment. as for newbs, sorry the palestinians are largely made up of immigrants from the surrounding area during during the times in question. yet those people somehow suddenly become considered indigenous
funny that.
funny that.Obviously if you hate Jews and your culture accepts strapping bombs and blowing up infidels as honorable, your point of view will differ from the rest of civilization.
Their houses get bulldozed because they belong to the family of suicide bombers. Jews LEGITIMATELY purchased land ever since the Zionist movement started in the late 1800s -- it's not like they squatted it or "stole" it like we did from the Indians.
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Lifer
ok, this is dumb... i don't know why i'm wasting my time.
i've been to iran... my family's in iran... my dad's from iran... i have jewish iranian friends (both in the states and in iran)... i'm telling you that it's no big deal. you can't say the same because you don't know... you've got this warped perception of what iran is like on the inside. you only know what the media says iran is like. the problem you're not getting is that the people of iran and the government of iran are 180 degree polar opposites. no one likes the government and no one gives a crap if someone's a jew or not.
i've been to iran... my family's in iran... my dad's from iran... i have jewish iranian friends (both in the states and in iran)... i'm telling you that it's no big deal. you can't say the same because you don't know... you've got this warped perception of what iran is like on the inside. you only know what the media says iran is like. the problem you're not getting is that the people of iran and the government of iran are 180 degree polar opposites. no one likes the government and no one gives a crap if someone's a jew or not.
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Lifer
when did i ever said i hated jews? my best friend is a jew haha... justin horenstein. i guess i hate him because you said so.
also, my culture doesn't accept strapping bombs and blowing people up. i don't know where you got that idea.
there's a HUGE difference between being persian and being a radical islamist. you obviously don't know what the persian culture is like, especially if you think it has anything to do with violence, so i'm not even going to bother. just know that it's a very peaceful culture that honors family and zoroastrian-based celebrations.
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It's no use arguing with people who think their 'internet knowledge' is comparable to real-world experience. The fact that half the US still thinks Saddam had WMDs should tell you there are more than enough stupid Americans to go around, including on these forums.
I am not a Muslim to be defending a Muslim regime.
I have never defended the Iranian regime. I state facts and that automatically makes me a supporter of a regime.
How do you know I am not Jewish? I could come from a Jewish Iranian family. Maybe I do?
Now let's look at the article that has convinced the man of hate that his hate is justified.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/iranjews.html
Let's take some quotes:
"The Jewish community does enjoy a measure of religious freedom but is faced with constant suspicion of cooperating with the Zionist state and with "imperialistic America" ? both such activities are punishable by death."
Muslims are not faced with constant suspicion? I believe they are. Therefore, this does not make it a Jewish problem where the government is always looking down on them with suspicion. The government looks down on everyone with suspicion. It is important to note that nobody knows for a fact what the government does or doesn't do. These are all assumptions that the government keeps a close eye on them.
"Jews also suffer varying degrees of officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and public accommodations."
Jews are allowed to have their own school inside Iran. Therefore they get the same level of education as the majority of Muslims. Employment? Jewish people have their own section inside Iran. They run shops and these shops obviously pay for their Synagogues. They have 13 Synagogues inside Shiraz, Iran alone. How does one pay for these Synagogues? Either the government helps them out (which would support the claim that Iran's government does help the Jews) or the Jewish people of Iran pay for the Synagogues themselves, which would disprove that they do not have employment opportunities. Remember Synagogues require security, who offers security to these sites? Someone is. It is either the government or the people.
So to say that a community of 10,000 who has no employment or education is able to have 13 synagogues , their own private schools, their own private community makes no sense. It proves that they are not indeed poor. We are talking about a M.E country.
The article did not provide specific examples. Therefore one can only "assume"
"In the remaining schools, Jewish principals have been replaced by Muslims"
Interesting that the article does not mention that the law does not require the leaders of the Jewish schools to be Muslim. They just happen to be Muslim. If the Jews didn't want them in their school they don't have to have Muslim leaders.
"On the eve of Passover in 1999, 13 Jews from Shiraz and Isfahan in southern Iran were arrested and accused of spying for Israel and the United States"
Interesting. The article also fails to mention the thousands of arrests of Muslims who have been accused by the government for spying and such. Thousands of Muslims have been placed in jail for no reason at all. So is the regime only targeting Jews? Non-sense.
I have never defended the Iranian regime. I state facts and that automatically makes me a supporter of a regime.
How do you know I am not Jewish? I could come from a Jewish Iranian family. Maybe I do?
Now let's look at the article that has convinced the man of hate that his hate is justified.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/iranjews.html
Let's take some quotes:
"The Jewish community does enjoy a measure of religious freedom but is faced with constant suspicion of cooperating with the Zionist state and with "imperialistic America" ? both such activities are punishable by death."
Muslims are not faced with constant suspicion? I believe they are. Therefore, this does not make it a Jewish problem where the government is always looking down on them with suspicion. The government looks down on everyone with suspicion. It is important to note that nobody knows for a fact what the government does or doesn't do. These are all assumptions that the government keeps a close eye on them.
"Jews also suffer varying degrees of officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and public accommodations."
Jews are allowed to have their own school inside Iran. Therefore they get the same level of education as the majority of Muslims. Employment? Jewish people have their own section inside Iran. They run shops and these shops obviously pay for their Synagogues. They have 13 Synagogues inside Shiraz, Iran alone. How does one pay for these Synagogues? Either the government helps them out (which would support the claim that Iran's government does help the Jews) or the Jewish people of Iran pay for the Synagogues themselves, which would disprove that they do not have employment opportunities. Remember Synagogues require security, who offers security to these sites? Someone is. It is either the government or the people.
So to say that a community of 10,000 who has no employment or education is able to have 13 synagogues , their own private schools, their own private community makes no sense. It proves that they are not indeed poor. We are talking about a M.E country.
The article did not provide specific examples. Therefore one can only "assume"
"In the remaining schools, Jewish principals have been replaced by Muslims"
Interesting that the article does not mention that the law does not require the leaders of the Jewish schools to be Muslim. They just happen to be Muslim. If the Jews didn't want them in their school they don't have to have Muslim leaders.
"On the eve of Passover in 1999, 13 Jews from Shiraz and Isfahan in southern Iran were arrested and accused of spying for Israel and the United States"
Interesting. The article also fails to mention the thousands of arrests of Muslims who have been accused by the government for spying and such. Thousands of Muslims have been placed in jail for no reason at all. So is the regime only targeting Jews? Non-sense.
SpeedZealot369
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If these schools were indeed "jewish" (vague term but nonetheless) they would NEVER want muslims as principals. It would be like a catholic christian high school with a muslim principal. Rediculous.
Funny how there are only 14 million jews in the world though... you'd think you would never even hear about them, ever.
It is not required by law to have a Muslim principal.
If they wanted to do it they could change their principal.
The Jewish Center in Washington D.C has a staff of 20% Muslim.
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Lifer
damn, hitler wiped out about a third of them... i never really thought about that until just now. that's pretty damn terrible.
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