What the West Needs to Know About Islam.

[Dumac]

The Qu'ran isn't, by itself, more violent than most Christian bibles. Both have thier share of suicide, murder, incest, beastiality, sadomacochism, sexual activity in a violent context, incest, morbid violence, use or drugs or alcohol, revenge, undermining authority, and human rights atrocities.

Yes, I pulled that list from somewhere else, so don't make me pull out quotes

My main problem with Islam is that it is a religion founded upon violence brought by a conquerer, Mohammed.

The holy books themselves, are no better or worse than most other religious articles. It all depends on how they are twisted, either negatively or positively.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Dumac
The Qu'ran isn't, by itself, more violent than most Christian bibles. Both have thier share of suicide, murder, incest, beastiality, sadomacochism, sexual activity in a violent context, incest, morbid violence, use or drugs or alcohol, revenge, undermining authority, and human rights atrocities.

Yes, I pulled that list from somewhere else, so don't make me pull out quotes

My main problem with Islam is that it is a religion founded upon violence brought by a conquerer, Mohammed.

The holy books themselves, are no better or worse than most other religious articles. It all depends on how they are twisted, either negatively or positively.

It's ok to give quotes as long as you give them in their full context. Too often someone will say something and make it sound bad but when you read the whole passage it really isn't.

 

[SpeedZealot369]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Dumac
The Qu'ran isn't, by itself, more violent than most Christian bibles. Both have thier share of suicide, murder, incest, beastiality, sadomacochism, sexual activity in a violent context, incest, morbid violence, use or drugs or alcohol, revenge, undermining authority, and human rights atrocities.

Yes, I pulled that list from somewhere else, so don't make me pull out quotes

My main problem with Islam is that it is a religion founded upon violence brought by a conquerer, Mohammed.

The holy books themselves, are no better or worse than most other religious articles. It all depends on how they are twisted, either negatively or positively.

It's ok to give quotes as long as you give them in their full context. Too often someone will say something and make it sound bad but when you read the whole passage it really isn't.

That's what jews for jesus and missionaries do in Israel to get jews to convert :disgust:

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: RichardE
Islam is not peaceful. Christianity is not peaceful. They are religions.
/thread

edited

haha :thumbsup:

Quote the part of the New Testament where Jesus taught to kill non-believers.

and it says that in what religion to kill non-believers?

Islam says to kill non-believers untill the only ones left are Muslums.

"Spread the world of the prophit by way of the sword"
-Koran

Pwned

Double PWNED

Koran- 4.56
YUSUFALI: Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
PICKTHAL: Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise.
SHAKIR: (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.

4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,?

There are many more "PEACEFULL" koran quotes here:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm

 

[Googer]

Fromhttp://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm
Unbelievers

2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them

2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression

 

[judasmachine]

equivalent: christianity is not a religion of tolerance, it is a philosophy for destroying cultures and assimilating them.

 

[tealk]

Once day very soon. The Lord Jesus Christ will come and we will all be judged. On that day you will know who is the one and only God. But until that day many signs of his return are happening and will continue to happen. When the Rapture happens, and you will be made to take the sign of the beast on your forehead or right forearm if you are left behind. That is the biggest sign of them all. The Christinas will be gone when this happnens, Millions of people simpley vanished from the earth with no trace, and you will know the bible was right, and forcasted the truth, but you did not listen. Everyone will know the truth then, but it will be to late.

 

[MasonLuke]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: RichardE
Islam is not peaceful. Christianity is not peaceful. They are religions.
/thread

edited

haha :thumbsup:

Quote the part of the New Testament where Jesus taught to kill non-believers.

and it says that in what religion to kill non-believers?

how is that relevant to his response?

why not? He was trying to make christianity look "good" while Muslims are "evil" by indirectly suggesting that the Quran says something about killing non-believers.

o rly? It looks to me like he's just trying to make them justify their responses since he's a christian himself. But keep making assumptions.

Do you speak for him? I had no idea you could read minds. Wow. You are gifted.

I think it is clear what he was trying to imply.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
equivalent: christianity is not a religion of tolerance, it is a philosophy for destroying cultures and assimilating them.

Quote New Testament text to support this argument, and I will convert to Atheism or Buddhism.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Dumac
The Qu'ran isn't, by itself, more violent than most Christian bibles. Both have thier share of suicide, murder, incest, beastiality, sadomacochism, sexual activity in a violent context, incest, morbid violence, use or drugs or alcohol, revenge, undermining authority, and human rights atrocities.

Yes, I pulled that list from somewhere else, so don't make me pull out quotes

My main problem with Islam is that it is a religion founded upon violence brought by a conquerer, Mohammed.

The holy books themselves, are no better or worse than most other religious articles. It all depends on how they are twisted, either negatively or positively.

Holy crap...have you ever read the New Testament?!?!?

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Googer

Fromhttp://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm
Unbelievers

2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them

2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression

Completely out of context, and trotted out quite often by the completely ignorant. That's like me quoting the Old Testament:

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

Wow, Christians are violent! They're supposed to kill every male child, and every woman for hath...something! I'd rightfully be labeled ignorant. This is exactly what you are doing with that quote.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Googer

Fromhttp://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm
Unbelievers

2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them

2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression

Completely out of context, and trotted out quite often by the completely ignorant. That's like me quoting the Old Testament:

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

Wow, Christians are violent! They're supposed to kill every male child, and every woman for hath...something! I'd rightfully be labeled ignorant. This is exactly what you are doing with that quote.

I could not find the full quote online. But ask almost any mooselam and he should confirm much of what I have said.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
equivalent: christianity is not a religion of tolerance, it is a philosophy for destroying cultures and assimilating them.

I think you are confusing the global popularity of American Culture with religeon.


Levi's Jeans, Pepsi, American Music/Film, and Mc Donalds were in high demand around the world during the 1980's. Those things have little to do with Chirstianity.


(however, I am not sure what is popular today)

 

[theprodigalrebel]

As a 'mooselam', I will give add a few lines you left out, Googer.

Chapter Two

190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

Here is a full translation of the Quran (this is considered the best English Translation out there). I own the book (Hardcover) and the online version is accurate. Lots of misinformation out there, as we all know. Everyone loves to quote things out of context and claim to be a religious expert.

Some of these 'violent passages' that Islam-bashers throw around happen to be snippets of sermons delivered to the Madina Army, on the eve of battle against the Makkans. They are words a Leader/General said in a morale-boosting speech to his troops. They are to be taken in that context. They are not a moral guideline for muslims living in peace.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Googer

Fromhttp://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm
Unbelievers

2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them

2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression

Completely out of context, and trotted out quite often by the completely ignorant. That's like me quoting the Old Testament:

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

Wow, Christians are violent! They're supposed to kill every male child, and every woman for hath...something! I'd rightfully be labeled ignorant. This is exactly what you are doing with that quote.

Wow thank you. I am a Christian and I hope you guys don't believe these idiots posting in here are truly Christians.
What these people are doing is EXACTLY like you showed, pulling a random verse from a random place and making it seem that the entire book is full of that.

To JS80: The point is this stuff is in the Bible, too. You don't even have to pull it out of context. And do you really have to ask if these people have read the new testament? They haven't "read" any of it, they just spout of whatever someone gives them as "facts."

I refuse to acknowledge that the OP and many other posters in here are in fact, Christian.

I am not saying that the Quran doesn't advocate violence, I haven't read it, I don't know. I am not going to take someone else's biased word that its all about killing people. All I know is, that, now, TODAY, the STRONG majority of Muslims are peace-loving and not intent on killing non-Muslims.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
As a 'mooselam', I will give add a few lines you left out, Googer.

Chapter Two

190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

Here is a full translation of the Quran (this is considered the best English Translation out there). I own the book (Hardcover) and the online version is accurate. Lots of misinformation out there, as we all know. Everyone loves to quote things out of context and claim to be a religious expert.

I am not claiming to be an expert, it's just hard to find good solid information on the internet.