What the West Needs to Know About Islam.

[Molondo]

wtf are u quoting? random BS again?

I quoted directly from a reliable source that has interviewed Jews living inside Iran.

I dont give a damn what your random websites pulled out of google.com search have to say.

You are not posting a damn thing that is going against my source.

state.gov? U.S has no connections with Iran. There are no U.S personnel inside Iran. The U.S has no contact with Jews living inside Iran. You call that a reliable site? I laugh.
Go believe that Iraq had WMD. Our intelligence of the M.E is so accurate.

Iranian.com? Lol. A site run by a bunch of people who haven't been to Iran in 25+ years.
Brilliant!

My source: Quotes from Jews living inside Iran who travel outside Iran to Israel
Your sources: "Hi I have never been to Iran but I am going to write about how life is for a minority class inside Iran. My information is based off of documents. I didnt talk to any Jews inside Iran. I just read a piece of paper and I got my information from that"

So... let's see.. I wonder whose source is more reliable.

Lot of people don't know anything here but what the media tells them. Its too bad.

 

[drinkmorejava]

Originally posted by: Aimster


Yeah....

http://conflictiran.blogspot.com/2006/04/christmas-in-iran.html
http://conflictiran.blogspot.com/2006/04/easter-in-tehran.html

Jews are also protect by LAW inside Iran, which is an Islamic country.

I guess that country ignored their own religion when establishing their religious state.

lol, they're the same church. Yah for a sample size of ONE.

 

[rijet0711]

Originally posted by: Netopia
Although I have a couple of friends who are American'ized Muslims, I don't know that I think all Muslims are as loving as people think.

A friend of mine was an Engineer for a petroleum company over in Indonesia for most of the 1990's and the first part of this decade. He said that there were a LOT of orphans who were homeless and destitute. They asked some of their neighbors about the orphans and why they didn't help them or why the society didn't help them and they were told that the kids were orphans because it was the "Will of Allah" and so they probably deserved it.

He and his wife began to feed them, and as Christians also taught them about Jesus and Christianity. The local authorities (the Police) told them they had to stop teaching about Christianity and were not allowed to have the children on their property any longer or they would be arrested. So, my they started taking baskets of food down onto the beach and fed the children and didn't preach or teach them anything. The police came back and told them if they didn't stop feeding the orphans, that they would be arrested. They told the police that they weren't teaching them about Jesus any more, but the police told them that they didn't care... the orphans new that they were Christians and that Christians were feeding them and Muslims weren't and would believe that Christianity was better than Islam.

These weren't Arabs, this was Indonesia. My friend and his wife were heartbroken because here were these destitute orphans and all they wanted to do was feed them but couldn't because it was too much of a threat to Islam for the local people to tolerate.

As for the actual teachings of Islam and Christianity...

One thing I see all the time on these forums is people who don't know what Christianity is about and quote all sorts of Old Testament passages, which only shows their own ignorance. I hope that we won't be seeing any of that.

That said, the teaching of Christianity is to love those who hate you, pray for those who are your enemies and allow God to execute punishment on those who have done wrong, in His time and as He sees fit. It teaches that the real enemies of Christians are not even physical beings, but the powers of the demonic realm and we should not go do battle in the name of Christianity.

People can point at things like the Crusades and such as shows of Christian brutality, but I think they should first show how the people doing these actions and even the actions themselves are in any way "Christian", other than name only. I can call myself a gargoyle, but does calling myself one make me one? The Crusades weren't a Christian endeavour... they cannot be shown to be in accordance with any teaching of Christ or any of His apostles. They were, at best, Christian in name only and nothing else.

I don't think you can say that about Islamic atrocities. To this day, people quote the Koran to incite violence, to tell people to do their job and be martyrs while killing others. How can anyone say that this religion, as described in its own sacred writings, isn't at least potentially very violent? It doesn't HAVE to be practiced this way, but to do so doesn't conflict with its scripture.

Joe

That is pretty ironic, but Indonesia is probably the same as Saudi Arabia in regards to stupidity. In Islam, you dont become an orphan "because of the will of Allah". If you see any orphans or anyone who is in poverty/hungry, it is almost mandatory that you help them and feed them.
Also, all those quotes from the Quran that are talking about violence against others are false and I recomend ppl here to get an english translation of the Quran and look up those specific sentences/chapters.
Furthermore, I want to clarify that the rule in Saudi Arabia is SUPPOSEDLY based on Islam values, but rather it is just a creation of the monarchs trying to suppress everyone and create hate against the West.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Aimster
You lack reading comprehension skills or your brain doesn't comprehend things because it refuses to believe the truth because there is no way a Muslim country protects Jews. You are the Jewish defender from the evil Muslims. In this case those evil Muslims have protected the Jews and given them rights. Must suck for you. You will some day be out of a job if this continues!

"But today many Iranian Jews travel to and from Iran's enemy Israel. "

"Whatever they say abroad is lies - we are comfortable in Iran - if you're not political and don't bother them then they won't bother you," he explains. "

"His customer, middle-aged housewife Giti agrees, saying she can easily talk to her two sons in Tel Aviv on the telephone and visit them. "
Her children must have teleported to Tel Aviv

Gone are the early days of the Iranian revolution when Jews - and many Muslims - found it hard to get passports to travel abroad. - It was not Jews who found it hard to get passports abroad in those days

"In the last five years the government has allowed Iranian Jews to go to Israel freely, meet their families and when they come back they face no problems," says Mr Mohtamed.

"Those Jews who remain in Iran seem to have made a conscious decision to stay put. "

"We are Iranian and we have been living in Iran for more than 3,000 years," says the Jewish hospital director Ciamak Morsathegh.

"I am not going to leave - I will stay in Iran under any conditions," he declares.

i'm sorry thats pretty damn weak if thats all you can pull out of your ass to defend yourself. i'm sure that family has more than just the kids mentioned. anyone left behind can be made to pay for the others running. bending over backwards to stretch vague quotes to fit your agenda. or are you that niave i guess thats just how apologists are.

once again here u are

"Jewish citizens are permitted to obtain passports and to travel outside the country, but they often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jewish persons to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Government appears concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time. "http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35497.htm

specific evidence, not vague quotes from collaborator stooges.

and as said before, there were jews in germany that stayed long after it was clear the country was going rotten out of loyalty to their country. that doesn't absolve that country of its crimes in the slightest.

relying on quotes from an iranian government stooge for a source isnt the best thing either a supposed jew that supports a nuclear iran and donates money to the palestinian cause

a little explaination here

The silence, therefore, of the Iranian Jewish community inside Iran concerning discrimination and persecution is in itself evidence of the dangerous and precarious situation the community finds itself in and which it is unable to denounce without breaking its contractual agreement as a religious minority living in a Muslim land.

This contractual agreement under Sharia Islamic Law presupposes complete loyalty to the Islamic Regime, in exchange for which the minority community receives second-class limited privileges in practicing its religion. If the terms of this contract are breached, supposedly even by individual members of the community, the limited privileges of the entire community can be suspended or revoked or the minority community (in this instance the Jewish community) can even face deportation from the country.

Under these circumstances the Iranian Jewish Community must avoid any statements that could be interpreted as critical of the regime and forces the government-imposed or government-tolerated leaders of the Iranian Jewish Community to turn in or turn against those individual members of the community who are brave enough to dare to speak out about the true condition of Jews in Iran. http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2003/March/Jews/

wtf are u quoting? random BS again?

I quoted directly from a reliable source that has interviewed Jews living inside Iran.

I dont give a damn what your random websites pulled out of google.com search have to say.

You are not posting a damn thing that is going against my source.

state.gov? U.S has no connections with Iran. There are no U.S personnel inside Iran. The U.S has no contact with Jews living inside Iran. You call that a reliable site? I laugh.
Go believe that Iraq had WMD. Our intelligence of the M.E is so accurate.

Iranian.com? Lol. A site run by a bunch of people who haven't been to Iran in 25+ years.
Brilliant!

My source: Quotes from Jews living inside Iran who travel outside Iran to Israel
Your sources: "Hi I have never been to Iran but I am going to write about how life is for a minority class inside Iran. My information is based off of documents. I didnt talk to any Jews inside Iran. I just read a piece of paper and I got my information from that"

So... let's see.. I wonder whose source is more reliable.

Its bad practice to site only one source and base your entire argument on it. Not to mention the recent rash of erroneous reporting we've seen by 'credible' news agencies. Also, the interviews only mentioned a few Jewish interviews. If we are to take ~50,000 Jews in Iran as an accurate population base then the interviews of 2-3 Jewish people does not make the claim a fact.

I am not picking a side in this case as I do not know enough and have not read enough sources to make a decision on the matter - merely pointing out that arguments need to be supported waaaaaay better.

bingo he's taking the word of an iranian collaborator stooge. and he's trying to base more claims on the quotes then they can handle. the fact is the us site is from the
International Religious Freedom Report 2004
Released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor, they aren't just concentrating on the iranians even. and their claims are specific. not vague. aimster is either niave or stupidly blind. he must take the words of politicians without question or something because he can't seem to read between the lines lying through omission must be an alien concept to him.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: drinkmorejava

Originally posted by: Aimster


Yeah....

http://conflictiran.blogspot.com/2006/04/christmas-in-iran.html
http://conflictiran.blogspot.com/2006/04/easter-in-tehran.html

Jews are also protect by LAW inside Iran, which is an Islamic country.

I guess that country ignored their own religion when establishing their religious state.

lol, they're the same church. Yah for a sample size of ONE.

Apparently you failed to click on the first link. It is not about the Church at all.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Aimster
You lack reading comprehension skills or your brain doesn't comprehend things because it refuses to believe the truth because there is no way a Muslim country protects Jews. You are the Jewish defender from the evil Muslims. In this case those evil Muslims have protected the Jews and given them rights. Must suck for you. You will some day be out of a job if this continues!

"But today many Iranian Jews travel to and from Iran's enemy Israel. "

"Whatever they say abroad is lies - we are comfortable in Iran - if you're not political and don't bother them then they won't bother you," he explains. "

"His customer, middle-aged housewife Giti agrees, saying she can easily talk to her two sons in Tel Aviv on the telephone and visit them. "
Her children must have teleported to Tel Aviv

Gone are the early days of the Iranian revolution when Jews - and many Muslims - found it hard to get passports to travel abroad. - It was not Jews who found it hard to get passports abroad in those days

"In the last five years the government has allowed Iranian Jews to go to Israel freely, meet their families and when they come back they face no problems," says Mr Mohtamed.

"Those Jews who remain in Iran seem to have made a conscious decision to stay put. "

"We are Iranian and we have been living in Iran for more than 3,000 years," says the Jewish hospital director Ciamak Morsathegh.

"I am not going to leave - I will stay in Iran under any conditions," he declares.

i'm sorry thats pretty damn weak if thats all you can pull out of your ass to defend yourself. i'm sure that family has more than just the kids mentioned. anyone left behind can be made to pay for the others running. bending over backwards to stretch vague quotes to fit your agenda. or are you that niave i guess thats just how apologists are.

once again here u are

"Jewish citizens are permitted to obtain passports and to travel outside the country, but they often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jewish persons to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Government appears concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time. "http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35497.htm

specific evidence, not vague quotes from collaborator stooges.

and as said before, there were jews in germany that stayed long after it was clear the country was going rotten out of loyalty to their country. that doesn't absolve that country of its crimes in the slightest.

relying on quotes from an iranian government stooge for a source isnt the best thing either a supposed jew that supports a nuclear iran and donates money to the palestinian cause

a little explaination here

The silence, therefore, of the Iranian Jewish community inside Iran concerning discrimination and persecution is in itself evidence of the dangerous and precarious situation the community finds itself in and which it is unable to denounce without breaking its contractual agreement as a religious minority living in a Muslim land.

This contractual agreement under Sharia Islamic Law presupposes complete loyalty to the Islamic Regime, in exchange for which the minority community receives second-class limited privileges in practicing its religion. If the terms of this contract are breached, supposedly even by individual members of the community, the limited privileges of the entire community can be suspended or revoked or the minority community (in this instance the Jewish community) can even face deportation from the country.

Under these circumstances the Iranian Jewish Community must avoid any statements that could be interpreted as critical of the regime and forces the government-imposed or government-tolerated leaders of the Iranian Jewish Community to turn in or turn against those individual members of the community who are brave enough to dare to speak out about the true condition of Jews in Iran. http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2003/March/Jews/

wtf are u quoting? random BS again?

I quoted directly from a reliable source that has interviewed Jews living inside Iran.

I dont give a damn what your random websites pulled out of google.com search have to say.

You are not posting a damn thing that is going against my source.

state.gov? U.S has no connections with Iran. There are no U.S personnel inside Iran. The U.S has no contact with Jews living inside Iran. You call that a reliable site? I laugh.
Go believe that Iraq had WMD. Our intelligence of the M.E is so accurate.

Iranian.com? Lol. A site run by a bunch of people who haven't been to Iran in 25+ years.
Brilliant!

My source: Quotes from Jews living inside Iran who travel outside Iran to Israel
Your sources: "Hi I have never been to Iran but I am going to write about how life is for a minority class inside Iran. My information is based off of documents. I didnt talk to any Jews inside Iran. I just read a piece of paper and I got my information from that"

So... let's see.. I wonder whose source is more reliable.

Its bad practice to site only one source and base your entire argument on it. Not to mention the recent rash of erroneous reporting we've seen by 'credible' news agencies. Also, the interviews only mentioned a few Jewish interviews. If we are to take ~50,000 Jews in Iran as an accurate population base then the interviews of 2-3 Jewish people does not make the claim a fact.

I am not picking a side in this case as I do not know enough and have not read enough sources to make a decision on the matter - merely pointing out that arguments need to be supported waaaaaay better.

bingo he's taking the word of an iranian collaborator stooge. and he's trying to base more claims on the quotes then they can handle. the fact is the us site is from the
International Religious Freedom Report 2004
Released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor, they aren't just concentrating on the iranians even. and their claims are specific. not vague. aimster is either niave or stupidly blind. he must take the words of politicians without question or something because he can't seem to read between the lines lying through omission must be an alien concept to him.

I have family in Iran.

You have family in Iran?

So you can continue to believe your BS propaganda sources and I will believe the word from people actually living in Iran.

Jews inside Iran are free to go whenever the hell they want.
Jewish Iranians still wave Iranian flags in Israel.
They will always love Iran. There is no reason for them to run. If they want to then they can.

You also fail to realize that Jews are protected under Iranian Law inside Iran.
They only have 25,000 Jews in Iran yet the Muslims gave them a perm seat in their Congress.

Of course you fail to see that and only like to believe Muslims are horrible to Jews. Therefore it must suck for them to live in a majority Muslim country.
Not in this case.

 

[edro]

Marked.

 

[0roo0roo]

doesn't matter and is irrelevant to the issue. as said nationalism isnt evidence that the government of the country is descriminatory oppressive and evil. it happened in germany,and its happening in iran.

the simple fact is i have a more solid source than you. and you called me 200% wrong so eat it baby.

go ahead, go home to iran and take a video camera and go interview all the jews. maybe the authorities might lock you away, i don't know. but atleast then you won't be relying on some lousy anecdotal evidence. who cares if you have family in iran, its a huge country under the jackboot of clerical rule, it has no real freedom, only sham freedom. your family only sees whats around it and what the regiem wants the people to see. and making excuses for the oppressions of minorities under sharia by pointing out a few limited freedoms while living free in america? sorry thats pretty sick stuff. the simple fact is they are and always will be second class citizens under that system, their lives arent worth a fraction of a muslims life. its like defending the south under jim crow by saying the blacks were free to make music and work for themselves instead of under slavery. so f%cking what. its a dodge. its like claiming something is good because its a half step short of genocide. its a sh*t arguement.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
doesn't matter and is irrelevant to the issue. as said nationalism isnt evidence that the government of the country is descriminatory oppressive and evil. it happened in germany,and its happening in iran.

the simple fact is i have a more solid source than you. and you called me 200% wrong so eat it baby.

go ahead, go home to iran and take a video camera and go interview all the jews. maybe the authorities might lock you away, i don't know. but atleast then you won't be relying on some lousy anecdotal evidence. and making excuses for the oppressions of minorities under sharia by pointing out a few limited freedoms while living free in america? sorry thats pretty sick stuff. the simple fact is they are and always will be second class citizens under that system, their lives arent worth a fraction of a muslims life. its like defending the south under jim crow by saying the blacks were free to make music and work for themselves instead of under slavery. so f%cking what. its a dodge. its like claiming something is good because its a half step short of genocide. its a sh*t arguement.

Your sources didnt interview a single Jew inside Iran or Israel. - Mine did Both
Your sources didnt go to Iran. - Mine did.

lol.

That's like me writting a report on the life of the Chinese based on a report from an organization who A) has never been to China B) has no contact with China. C) has not interviewed a single Chinese from China.

I'm sure my report will accurately demonstrate the life of the Chinese in China.

 

[madworm]

chill everyone...

you guys are making arguments over what now?

can you cliff it?

we should all sit down, chill on a carne asada taco, have some tequilla...the world would be such a better place. eh?

 

[0roo0roo]

still bending over backwards to defend your claim i'm 200% wrong. sorry, all you have are vague quotes which actually fit what my claims are as well as yours because they lack specifics. and from government collaborator stooges no less simple fact is i have a government report, and the fact of a pattern of discimination and oppression under sharia and this regiem. you have what? vague collaborator stooge quotes from the bbc. simple fact is there is oppression in iran and your defending it like some kind of sick collaborator. simple fact is any law based on sharia results in oppression. simple fact. some jews want to stay? o really? i wonder why all the women aren't fleeing saudi arabia? does that mean they are free? 50% of the population choosing to stay must mean its a wonderful place dont play that game.


and its sick how you pop up in every thread and post about how wonderful it is for jews in iran. pointing out a minor freedom here and there to justify and be apologist for the regiem and its fundamentally disciminatory policies. its simply sick collaborator stuff.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
still bending over backwards to defend your claim i'm 200% wrong. sorry, all you have are vague quotes which actually fit what my claims are as well as yours because they lack specifics. and from government collaborator stooges no less simple fact is i have a government report, and the fact of a pattern of discimination and oppression under sharia and this regiem. you have what? vague collaborator stooge quotes from the bbc. simple fact is there is oppression in iran and your defending it like some kind of sick collaborator. simple fact is any law based on sharia results in oppression. simple fact. some jews want to stay? o really? i wonder why all the women aren't fleeing saudi arabia? does that mean they are free? 50% of the population choosing to stay must mean its a wonderful place dont play that game.

You have a U.S govt report for another country

A) U.S hasn't been to Iran in over 25 years
B) U.S has no contact with anyone inside Iran
C) U.S does not have agents inside Iran to document 25,000 minorities
D) U.S doesn't have a clue about what is going on inside Iran.

Do you even have any evidence to suggest the women in Saudi Arabia hate living there? Their culture is different so you assume they hate it? LOL.

You have no evidence to back up a single thing you said.

Yet you still failed to show me discrimination against Jews inside Iran. What discrimination? There are no discriminations against Jews inside Iran.

So basically bottom line is your evidence that Jews want to leave is pulled from your ass because in none of your BS sources did it even mention Jews wanting to run from Iran. All
it said was "whole families are not granted passports". LOL.

I mean it is not like the U.S to use information that is outdated... never.... we are always up-to-date with our information!!

 

[0roo0roo]

are you saying that report is pulled out of their ass? time for you disprove it. go ahead, try. it must be easy if what you say is true. the simple fact is there is a pattern of institutional discrimination in that regiem and that is undeniable. and no i didn't say the saudi women hate living there, it just proves that oppression alone isn't enough to drive people to run away. even the extremely harsh saudi oppression of women isn't enough, so to claim that the fact that a group is staying put is evidence of lack of oppression...well thats nonsense.

simple fact is you claimed i was 200% wrong and had your ass handed to you, and now you are just grasping at straws to defend your sorry ass. you can play the game over quibbling over the minor freedoms of travel all you want. it doesn't cover over the fact that there is discrimination of minority religions is fundamentally built into the the iranian system and it is brutal oppressive unjust and barbaric. and that people like you defend it while enjoying the freedom you get in america....thats just sick.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
are you saying that report is pulled out of their ass? time for you disprove it. go ahead, try. it must be easy if what you say is true. the simple fact is there is a pattern of institutional discrimination in that regiem and that is undeniable. and no i didn't say the saudi women hate living there, it just proves that oppression alone isn't enough to drive people to run away. even the extremely harsh saudi oppression of women isn't enough, so to claim that the fact that a group is staying put is evidence of lack of oppression...well thats nonsense.

simple fact is you claimed i was 200% wrong and had your ass handed to you, and now you are just grasping at straws to defend your sorry ass.

?? he didn't have his ass handed to him. you're wrong. it's that simple. move on.

 

[jpeyton]

0roo0roo, forgive us if we'd rather take the word of someone who has been to Iran versus someone who has not.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
are you saying that report is pulled out of their ass? time for you disprove it. go ahead, try. it must be easy if what you say is true. the simple fact is there is a pattern of institutional discrimination in that regiem and that is undeniable. and no i didn't say the saudi women hate living there, it just proves that oppression alone isn't enough to drive people to run away. even the extremely harsh saudi oppression of women isn't enough, so to claim that the fact that a group is staying put is evidence of lack of oppression...well thats nonsense.

simple fact is you claimed i was 200% wrong and had your ass handed to you, and now you are just grasping at straws to defend your sorry ass.

?? he didn't have his ass handed to him. you're wrong. it's that simple. move on.

sorry he did. when you step up to claim someone is 200% wrong you better bring it. he had basically nothing. he put himself in that position of having to give some real concrete evidence to backup his big claim so he did have his ass handed to him.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
0roo0roo, forgive us if we'd rather take the word of someone who has been to Iran versus someone who has not.

i don't care if he's been there. its like someone visiting california and claiming they know all about the amish first hand doesnt matter what travel freedoms they have anyways. he's defending token freedoms to distract from the reality of religious discrimination in that country and theres something really sick about that.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: jpeyton
0roo0roo, forgive us if we'd rather take the word of someone who has been to Iran versus someone who has not.

i don't care if he's been there. its like someone visiting california and claiming they know all about the amish first hand

?? actually, it's nothing like that.

it's more like some dude trying to tell someone whose entire family was born and raised in iran what iran is like (and said dude doesn't really know anything about iran, except for what slimy scraps the media gives him)... pinnacle of ignorance. what's worse is you continue to argue a losing battle.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
are you saying that report is pulled out of their ass? time for you disprove it. go ahead, try. it must be easy if what you say is true. the simple fact is there is a pattern of institutional discrimination in that regiem and that is undeniable. and no i didn't say the saudi women hate living there, it just proves that oppression alone isn't enough to drive people to run away. even the extremely harsh saudi oppression of women isn't enough, so to claim that the fact that a group is staying put is evidence of lack of oppression...well thats nonsense.

simple fact is you claimed i was 200% wrong and had your ass handed to you, and now you are just grasping at straws to defend your sorry ass. you can play the game over quibbling over the minor freedoms of travel all you want. it doesn't cover over the fact that there is discrimination of minority religions is fundamentally built into the the iranian system and it is brutal oppressive unjust and barbaric. and that people like you defend it while enjoying the freedom you get in america....thats just sick.

The Iranian system does not just target Jews. It targets the entire population.

You are making it sound as if Jews are being picked off from the streets and beaten to death. You are making it sound as if Jews are not allowed to practice their faith inside Iran.

Wrong.

People are picked off from the streets all the time - both Jews/Muslims/Christians.

So just because the Jews get the same BS treatment as Muslims you make it sound as if Muslims are anti-Jew inside Iran.

For every case of Jewish brutality inside Iran, there are 1,000x more cases of Muslim brutality inside Iran.

Regardless of the brutal regime, Jews are free to practice their religion and are free to do whatever it is their religion tells them to do.

You make it sound as if Jews cannot leave Iran.
Do you know the requirements for one to leave Iran?
A) you have to either pay a large sum or B) serve in the military for 2-years
THIS APPLIES TO EVERYONE

There are exceptions to A&B such as educational travels etc, but almost everyone inside Iran is held back.

So stop your yapping trying to make Muslims inside Iran sound like they are living a glamour life while the Jews are sitting there watching the Muslims have all the fun.

The same travel restrictions that are applied to the Muslims are applied to the Jews. Inside Iran an Iranian is an Iranian. Religion does not identity one in Iran.

 

[0roo0roo]

You are making it sound as if Jews are being picked off from the streets and beaten to death. You are making it sound as if Jews are not allowed to practice their faith inside Iran.

no sorry, i'm just saying what has been reported. its descriminatory and oppressive. yet you spend your time in threads defending the regiem and being an apologist. you basically spend your time telling us how wonderful it is for the jews there because its a half step from genocide..wonderful and it doesn't matter if the rest of the people are under oppression too.. well that just makes my case further. how the %#@ does your family know whats going on if its so oppressive. thats the point.

So stop your yapping trying to make Muslims inside Iran sound like they are living a glamour life while the Jews are sitting there watching the Muslims have all the fun.

i never said that or even implied it. so don't talk out of your ass. you simply make it sound like the jews are a cherished minority when actually they are severely oppressed even by iranian standards. and frankly the fact that the jackboot hasn't fallen harder on the jews is simply from the fact that they are small to the point of being insignificant, they are clearly not a big threat in a country as large as iran. 25k out of 68 million. lets see, how far below 1% of the population is that? .0036%

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: jpeyton
0roo0roo, forgive us if we'd rather take the word of someone who has been to Iran versus someone who has not.

i don't care if he's been there. its like someone visiting california and claiming they know all about the amish first hand

?? actually, it's nothing like that.

it's more like some dude trying to tell someone whose entire family was born and raised in iran what iran is like (and said dude doesn't really know anything about iran, except for what slimy scraps the media gives him)... pinnacle of ignorance. what's worse is you continue to argue a losing battle.

right..scraps of media. government reports on religious discrimination and human rights watch? sorry, there are reports leaking out even if the regiem restricts journalists traveling to the areas in question. religious persecution and descrimination are simply the norm in that country. and of course theres the fact that they have something to hide, why would they do that if nothing was wrong. aimster likes to portray it like its some wonderland when actually its closer to a police state. he takes quotes from a few collaborator jews when minorities live in fear of reprisals from government agents. its sad stuff.

yet aimster likes to pop into every islamic etc thread and chime in about how wonderful the jews have it in iran. i'm sorry, stop defending a government based on persecution and bigotry. if you love it that much, well go back. im sure they would welcome another apologist collaborator.

and well how many are the jews in iran. 11-40k? 25k is another estimate. lets go with 25k since thats most commonly cited. thats .0036% of the population of iran. you can be damn sure most iranians have never met one. and its easy to see why they haven't been oppressed even more, they are just insignificant to the point of being laughable. there are more persian jews in the us.

 

[adlep]

This is an interesting question -
Why does the western civilizations have contributed so greatly to the advancments of the mankind durring the last 500 years or so?
For some strange reason, almost all of these technical and social advancments were done by the western societies.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

You are making it sound as if Jews are being picked off from the streets and beaten to death. You are making it sound as if Jews are not allowed to practice their faith inside Iran.

no sorry, i'm just saying what has been reported. its descriminatory and oppressive. yet you spend your time in threads defending the regiem and being an apologist. you basically spend your time telling us how wonderful it is for the jews there because its a half step from genocide..wonderful and it doesn't matter if the rest of the people are under oppression too.. well that just makes my case further. how the %#@ does your family know whats going on if its so oppressive. thats the point.

So stop your yapping trying to make Muslims inside Iran sound like they are living a glamour life while the Jews are sitting there watching the Muslims have all the fun.

i never said that or even implied it. so don't talk out of your ass. you simply make it sound like the jews are a cherished minority when actually they are severely oppressed even by iranian standards. and frankly the fact that the jackboot hasn't fallen harder on the jews is simply from the fact that they are small to the point of being insignificant, they are clearly not a big threat in a country as large as iran. 25k out of 68 million. lets see, how far below 1% of the population is that? .0036%

Im sorry I am defending a regime by pointing out facts? HAHHA

You have yet to bring up one disadvantage the Jews have in Iran that the Muslims do not.

So please tell me oh smart one what is the disadvantage that the Jews face inside Iran?

I would like to know why it is so bad being Jewish in Iran.

Go on I am waiting.

 

[0roo0roo]

go back to the second link in my post and see the descrimination faced by jews in iran.

Like other religious minorities in Iran, Jews suffer from officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and housing. They may not occupy senior positions in the government or the military and are prevented from serving in the judiciary and security services and from becoming public school heads.

With some exceptions, there is little restriction of or interference with the Jewish religious practice; however, education of Jewish children has become more difficult in recent years. The Iranian government reportedly allows Hebrew instruction, recognizing that it is necessary for Jewish religious practice. However, it strongly discourages the distribution of Hebrew texts, in practice making it difficult to teach the language. Moreover, the Iranian government has required that several Jewish schools remain open on Saturdays, the Jewish Sabbath, in conformity with the schedule of other schools in the school system. Since working or attending school on the Sabbath violates Jewish law, this requirement has made it impossible for observant Jews both to attend school and adhere to a fundamental tenet of their religion

You have yet to bring up one disadvantage the Jews have in Iran that the Muslims do not.

just one?
i mean seriously, do you have no shame?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: adlep
This is an interesting question -
Why does the western civilizations have contributed so greatly to the advancments of the mankind durring the last 500 years or so?
For some strange reason, almost all of these technical and social advancments were done by the western societies.

eh? you mean the chinese, right?