For doing what? Filling a pitcher with beer? Opening the cold case, picking up a glass bottle, and opening it?
wow, that's *so* hard! What a great sacrifice to service the customer! :roll:
For doing what? Filling a pitcher with beer? Opening the cold case, picking up a glass bottle, and opening it?
wow, that's *so* hard! What a great sacrifice to service the customer! :roll:
waggy
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I dont mind tip jars. I go to a little dive of a bar and they have one. nobody gives the bartender a tip they just throw it in the jar.
beer is $1 a draft (10 oz though) and free drinks for sober drivers. Cheesburgers are $2-3 (with fries). If you dont like classic rock or country music this aint the place to go. oh seen 3 fights there in 2 years heh.
I went to one place with 4 people for dinner. They put a 20% tip on the BILL! the service was terrible so there was NO way i was paying 20%. I was going to leave about 10% (there was a tag team on drinks etc. one was good one sucked). I asked for a difrent reciept one without the tip added. The waitress said they couldnt do that. I asked for amanager and explained that sevice sucked and i was not paying 20%. He said that is part of the bill and if i dont pay he will call the cops. I said go ahead and sat down and asked his name for when i call corprate and tell them about htis. he went back and got me a new reciept.
I still called corprate and got a $10 coupon heh.
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: MommysLittleMonster
Originally posted by: Nik
Who makes no money on the paycheck? The employee? You mean the employee doesn't receive a paycheck?
The driving force behind fine dining is *not* tipping. Jesus, even in pizza delivery establishments, management is paying less than $2 to make a pizza that they sell for ten times that amount. Where is all that money going?
Wait, I don't give a fvck where it's going. I'll pay what's on the bill unless I get exceptional service.
The employee's paycheck is almost nothing. It covers all of deductions their employer must make. After deductions, their paycheck is practically nothing. Thus, their primary income is generated through tips.
Oh, right. I totally see why the burden of them accepting a job knowing that it pays nothing is all on me.
:roll:
Cry me a goddamn river, build a bridge, jump off and drown. :|
The jobs don't pay nothing. It pays like a normal job because people voluntarily tip them for their service as opposed to being charged extra by the restaurant. This is the way the food service industry works, and although this system is vulnerable to people like yourself who are too cheap to pay for the service, it has worked pretty well for a long time.
Who makes no money on the paycheck? The employee? You mean the employee doesn't receive a paycheck?
The money doesn't always cover expenses like Health Insurance and taxes. They get RAPED on taxes because they can "lie" about it, so the IRS charges them more than a regular job. I know for a fact my mother makes $0 every paycheck (and often owes some money) because of the health insurance provided. I know other waitresses/waiters also int he same situation.
Rent, cook's wages, manager's wages, marketing/advertising, maintenance, food costs, research, reinnovating restrauant every couple of years, silveware+plates, cleaning items plus other misc. operating costs. Oh yes, and like every other company, a profit. I'm sure there are other things I could list, but thats all I could think of.
It is their job to give exceptional service, I agree, but even if it isn't perfect, they deserved to be compensated for it. It is difficult to offer "to the second" service most people demand when you have to deal with 30 other people in 5 other tables.
waggy
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Uhm no.
Taxes are MANDATORY by the goverment. IF i dont pay them i get to bubba's sex slave.
a TIP is earned for quality of service. it is NOT mandatory. You give me great service i will tip you. You do a crappy job then no tip for you.
just because there is a line for tips does not mean you have to give one.
:thumbsup: ur the man
call the cops. :roll: screw them trying to bully customers into paying service charge they dont deserve.... its good you called corporate. and the good thing is, your trying to pay the bill so they cant spit in your food or anything!
anybody tried writing a negative "extra tip" for those restaurants with mandatory service charge? and then write your tip-subtracted total on the final and signing? i wonder if that would work...
The burden should not be on the customer directly to provide a paycheck. That's just bullsh|t.
1) River.
2) Bridge.
3) Jump.
4) Drown.
They are partially providing part of the paycheck. And whether you think the customer "should," or not, they do. That is the way the system works and you are an abuser of that system. The tip is a privelege for the customer to be able to guage for themselves how good of service was rendered and what it is worth.
Maybe you'd like to go to France. There they have mandatory service charges which seem to fit perfectly with your theory about food service.
You know, it really is sad to see this type of mentality regarding a norm in this country.
Call corporate, take a stand when you're feeling a bit cheap. You are quite the revolutionist. The only thing you are creating is a headache for the waiter/waitress, and a poor display of your character.
Yes, you're right about "not having to give one", but tipping for full service restraunants have been around long before you were born. It is a standardized practice, and you know a tip is going to be requested before you even walk in. You two make it seem like a huge surprise that a tip was requested.
Again, name one major full service establishment that doesn't not expect tips for their waiters. You walk in, knowing a tip is going to be asked, for the service provided. Don't like it, then go eat at a fast food place.
Please see previous statement regarding rivers, bridges, and jumping. I don't give a fvck whether they continue to choose to remain employed with an employer who isn't willing to pay them. Not my problem and it never will be unless I'm the employee. Then it's only my fault if I can't make end's meat.
Every employer has to justify payout versus income. As an employer, it's my job to make sure my employees get paid, not go back to the U.S. Military and go "oh, sorry, I refuse to pay my employees more, so they're going to expect a tip from you and if you don't pay them, I'm going to create this persona of hatred for you since you'd all then be cheap bastards!"
I would get laughed out of the industry.
They *are* compensated for their services. It's called a paycheck. Tell me, if they're not getting paid to provide customer service, what ARE they getting paid to do? Take breaks and a lunch?
waggy
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So i should pay %20 of a bill for crappy service?!
Again a Tip is based on quality of service. IF they do crappy job they get a crappy tip. They do great they get a great tip.
Im not going to pay someone %20 for a crappy job.
if you think that is a poor display of character then that is your problem.
I'm sorry Nik but you only seem to be living in your world. As I explained earlier, here in the real world, the waitresses aren't 'finding another job' because other people understand that the tip is used to pay for the service they recieved. It is open to abuse by people like you unfortunately, but it is still a fairly solid system.
Quality of service will be rewarded by repeat visits to the establishment and further business, not giving in to this gestapo required hand-out bullsh|t.
Can we be a little specific when we are saying "Poor service."
What exactly do we agree upon to be "poor service?"
What exactly do we agree upon to be "poor service?"
no its sad to see restaurants to bully their way on tips and services charge on overpriced meals with subpar service. a service charge or a tip should always *ALWAYS* be up to the customer to decide. it's not part of the bill! don't give me the BS about service or paycheck or whatever, the cost of the meal covered all their payroll and utility and other bills. when i feel like i was treated specially, i go out of my way to tip 20% and even sometimes 25% at highimage restaurants. but when the waiter treats you like crap, no not 15% not 10% not even 5% sorry.
the restaurants and waiters are the revolutionists thinking they can get away with crappy service by charging the mandatory service fee into the bill
As I explained earlier, the USA is one of a FEW countries where tipping is 'expected'. Most of the world does not have this practice. In other countries, a tip is truly a 'tip' (look up the definition if you don't "get it").
In the USA, "tipping" is just another name for "Service charge" anymore. I tip, because I know it's expected if I go into a restaurant with service. However, I have no problem leaving a smaller tip for bad service and a large tip for great service.
Nik and waggy are correct in their stance on tipping... based on the definition of the word. However, it's not "PC" to actually follow the definition.
Bad service means no tip.
If you don't tip no matter how good the service is, then don't make a habbit of going to the same place. Once you are known for being a worthless piece of trash, you will get terrible service. I delivered pizzas while I was in college. Repeat non-tippers were well known and no one wanted to deliver to them. If you did have to deliver one of those, then you took several other orders to deliver first. If no other orders were up, then you would stop to get gas or wash your car with the AC vent blowing ice cold air on the pizza box. On the other hard, good tippers had the deliver people fighting over who was going to take the order, and it was the very first order that was delivered.
If you don't tip no matter how good the service is, then don't make a habbit of going to the same place. Once you are known for being a worthless piece of trash, you will get terrible service. I delivered pizzas while I was in college. Repeat non-tippers were well known and no one wanted to deliver to them. If you did have to deliver one of those, then you took several other orders to deliver first. If no other orders were up, then you would stop to get gas or wash your car with the AC vent blowing ice cold air on the pizza box. On the other hard, good tippers had the deliver people fighting over who was going to take the order, and it was the very first order that was delivered.
Like I said, go to France. There they have mandatory service charges. Here we have voluntary service charges so you can be the judge of the quality of service. It isn't a handout, it is payment for a service rendered. The employer's paycheck doesn't cover that because everyone else but you pays for the service they recieve.
Good job, you're a rebel. You aren't like everyone else.
um when your not treated the way your supposed to?
i dont know where you are from, but here in NYC, there are tons of restaurants where they dont give a crap about you. they go for the people in suits, people who go often and know the manager etc, and big parties.
if you go in for a 3,4 person table, good luck waiting for your food.
waggy
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poor service ot me is if i have to wait more then 15 min for a drink refill. If I have ot wait more then 10 before they come to give me menu's for a order. If they screw up the meal etc.
I understand if they are busy then i give them more time.
I don't expect a cheerfull waitress. but do expect a hello. i understand that they may have rude costomers.
Wrong. Twisted truths fed by outrageous lies.
Falacy #1) Employers can't pay employees so they resort to tips to make up for it.
Truth: Employers in the food industry MAKE BANK. They're greedy. They *love* not having to pay their employees full minimum wage because that means more in their pocketbooks. I'm sure lawmakers get a nice little kickback to keep the food industry's minimum wage so low.
Falacy #2) Employees can't better their lives by going back to school or finding a second/different job
Truth: I've seen people overcome some seriously fvcked up circumstance. Don't bullsh|t me or anyone else (or yourself) by masking "can't" on top of "too lazy to give it more than a half-assed try". If you really wanted to, you'd be able to. Period.
Falacy #3) It's the customer's responsibility to tip.
Truth: Tipping isn't required, but in today's society, you're looked down on if you don't tip, as if it were required in the first place. Fvck that. That just offends me and convinces me that tipping in the first place should not occur next time or at all. It's completely up to the customer to decide whether a tip is warranted or not. If you get one, you should be happy and thankful that you got something you didn't deserve. If you didn't get one, at least you're getting a paycheck.
Falacy #4) Customer service is something you need to pay extra for
Truth: Customer service is just that: servicing the customer. I don't say "hey, cool, you bought something from me. Come do my job and pick it up and do everything to it in order to get it ready for use. That's moronic. It's my job as a vendor to bust my ass and bend over backwards for the customer, whether they give me a kickback or not. That's what turns customers into repeat customers which further drives business allowing me to pay my employees more.
Then stop using their service and stop eating out. Why are you making a huge issue out of it?
Again, if tipping was not the norm, you would be paying for it by paying extra for the food itself AND recieve a decrease in quality of service. Less Income = Less payout = cheaper food. You are paying for it regardless. With the system of tipping, you are paying for the quality of service provided by the waiters. If you want to see what non-tipping food establishment service would be like, just eat at burger king. They don't care if your coke is flat or your fries are cold.
The paycheck does not pay for anything, again...
The money doesn't always cover expenses like Health Insurance and taxes. They get RAPED on taxes because they can "lie" about it, so the IRS charges them more than a regular job. I know for a fact my mother makes $0 every paycheck (and often owes some money) because of the health insurance provided.
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