Fire their ass? Let me tell you something.. EVERY ASS WILL DO THE SAME THING. Hire as many people as you want, nobody is going to do anything more than be polite to you while letting you grab your own food from the kitchen.
Fire their ass? Let me tell you something.. EVERY ASS WILL DO THE SAME THING. Hire as many people as you want, nobody is going to do anything more than be polite to you while letting you grab your own food from the kitchen.
She wouldn't be working in a "fancy high paying" job regardless of earlier decisions. She never had the opportunity and she doesn't speak english well enough.
Dont' like it? Don't read it. I am not expecting any compassion of any sort, I am just stating why I leave generous tips for good service.
Overpriced food? Stop eating at full service and restrauants and cook your own food or go eat Wendy's 99 cent menu then.
I don't expect crappy service at all, but when good service is provided, tips should be as well.
BTW, Your bridge jump drown thing isn't cute or funny. Just stop.
That's a lie. I bust my fvcking ass because I know it's expected of me and I agree with my employer. The customer deserves nothing less than my best and I expect nothing more from the client than what's on the invoice. Period.
So what are they getting paid $x.xx per hour for? To stand around? To sip coffee and lean on the bar? Maybe to sweep the floors between shifts or something? What, exactly, are they getting paid to do?
exactly, when you order from an online vendor, do you pay tips for the guy packaged it or the guy who pulled the item down from the shelf in the warehouse?
what about when you go rent a movie, the guy at the cashier is rendering a service to you to take your money and put your dvd into a bag do you tip him?
the subway conductor is also giving you service by driving the train and opening closing doors, tip him too?
the cops who came answering a 911 call, tip him too? try it that's called a bribe
Seriously? You would not tip at all? Maybe I forgot some of your previous replies in this thread, but I assumed you at least tipped something for general quality service. You woud not tip anything in this given scenario?
The waiter didn't go above and beyond per say, but the waiter did provide a service that you would not receive if you ordered carry out from the resturaunt.
Why would you insist on dining in the resturaunt rather than ordering carry out when the same entrees are available on both sides? What would you receive inside the resturaunt rather than inside of your own home? Thats what you are tipping, even when nothing about the service stood out. At your own home, no one is going to bring you your plate while you sit at the table and no one is going to refill your drink, and no one will accomodate your needs except for yourself.
If you want to enjoy the extra services provided for you while dining in at a resturaunt that you would not receive if you ordered out, tip the waiter/waitress. You have the choice. Do not abuse it.
I don't believe that people "never had the chance" in life. I don't believe that lie for one second. They simply refuse to try. Not trying to insult your mother or anything so please don't take it that way. I simply don't believe for one second that there ever has been, is, or ever will be any single human being who "never had a chance" (well, with the exception of aborted babies, but that's a whole nother flamefest).
Why would I stop eating at full service restaurants based on price of the food if I just said that I don't mind paying the bill?
You're thinking backwards. The restaurant sets the price of their food based on a customers "in-house" costs. They make a MUCH higher percent profit on take-out than they do for customers who come in and sit down. They don't have to pay for anything other than the cook's wage, the materials and shipping on them, and overhead. With sit-in customers, they've got to pay the waiter's wage. Part of that bill goes to pay to clean the restaurant and service the things the customer uses like utensils, the table, seating, etc.
Take-out customers aren't an issue here because restaurants are making more with them anyway.
What, exactly, am I abusing by not tipping for standard service? The bill pays for standard service. Service that's above and beyond warrants a tip. Don't like it? Probably because you're a greedy bastard. Why are you so greedy? Probably because you *have* to be because you refuse to get off your ass and get a better job. Plain and simple.
Nah, I enjoy the atmosphere. That's why I pay 10,000% higher price for food when I go out as opposed to making it at home. It pays for the experience, which includes customer service.
You don't know her "story", so of course you wouldn't understand. I'm not going to blabber every detail about it, but I'll make a few points. English is not her native language, it would be very difficult for her to understand upper level corporate jibber-jabber and higher education here in the United States. She could never afford "higher" education for herself while maintaining the income to pay bills and other neccessary expenses. How is she going to get anything other than an entry level job? So what are her options?
Get a 2nd job? Hah! She had 3 at one time, and 2 for many many years. She is getting older now, and "takes it easy" with just 1 job. She just can't handle 2 or 3 anymore.
That is called the carry out menu. The tip is for the service provided by the waitress.
Oh, now I understand why it's my responsibility to make sure your mother can deal with life. Right. :roll: Sorry bud. I didn't live her life so I wouldn't know where to start looking; however, if that was an attempt to prove that people somehow manage to never have a chance at life, you failed miserably.
Good for her. Why'd she go back to only one job and kids who bitch that their mother doesn't make enough money and that it's her customer's responsibility to make sure she's got a quality of life better than some magical standard?
If you mean that tip is for the service above and beyond what her paycheck already pays her to do, then I completely agree.
This is exactly why service people with this kind of mentality need to be taken out back and burned at the stake. :| That's fvcking outrageous.
What's really messed up is that tipping is based on a percentage of the bill, instead of based on amount of work. Is there any work difference in carrying out a plate with a $35 steak on it instead of a plate with a $10 pasta? Nope, but you're expected to pay more tip on that steak even though the waitperson didn't have to work any harder for the steak.
Nik, you dont yet understand what we are saying. A waiter/waitress's paycheck is almost nothing. An average hourly rate of $2.30 is paid to employees. After deductions that an employer must take, that $2.30 is depleted to almost nothing. Taking your order, bring you your food, giving you at least one smile, refilling your drinks, accomodating your needs...that should generate at least 15%.
Again, I didn't go into specific details, but I highly doubt you could come up with a way to "get a better paying job" if you were in her situtation.
I don't even know why I bother with this thread. I never expected or intended to change your mind, but I suppose I wanted to establish reasoning why tipping is neccessary when eating out. Perhaps opening your mind to another person's point of view is too difficult to ask.
Just stick to fast food restrauants and stop eating out. Seriously.
If you feel that a $2.50/hr "paycheck" compensates for the service provided, I hope you get crappy service wherever you go. Like the saying goes, you get what you pay for. With only 2.50 an hour, I think service is already "above and beyond" the minute she takes your order.
I suppose I'm done. Goodnight.
Yes, we all know. A table with two people who order two entrees totaling $50 should give $10 and a table with two people ordering two plates totaling $25 should tip $5. Where is the logic?
There isn't much logic, but it is American culture and it has been working wonderfully.THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM. That's the waiter's problem because he chooses to stay there instead of get a better job. It's that simple.
What's your point? If you have a problem with that, get it changed. Make the government raise the minimum wage for the food industry since they think that the food industry is special enough to have it's own minimum wage.
Yes, I know what you're trying to say (read: lie) here. The amount taken out is a percentage, not a flat rate, so it doesn't matter how little or how much they're getting paid; the employer isn't taking 100% so the employee has to be getting something.
Nope, that's what they're paid to do.
Goddamnit, nobody's answered my question. If they're not paid to take your order, bring you your food, refil your drinks, accommodate your needs, etc., then WHAT ARE THEY BEING PAID TO DO?
That $2.30 might compensate for "sidejobs" that are generally easy and quick. Cleaning silverware, preparing settings, etc.
It's a lie, though, because I know that my resolve for the customer's needs doesn't change based on how much I get. They're the customer and I work my ass off just as much for a $300,000 order as I do a $60 order. It's just how I am and if I can be that way, then so can others. It's not my fault that the employer hires half-wits with no work ethic.
You people are simply not listening.
Originally posted by: MommysLittleMonster
Yes, we all know. A table with two people who order two entrees totaling $50 should give $10 and a table with two people ordering two plates totaling $25 should tip $5. Where is the logic?
Do you even listen to yourself? How can you know that the system is fvcked up but continue to support it?
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