What do you think of restaurants who demand a tip?

[MommysLittleMonster]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Actaeon

Originally posted by: Nik

:roll:

Boofvckinghoo. Get a different job. Not tipping is extremely selfish?

What a fvcking lazy, ungreatful, stupid, self-destructive ideology.

Yes it is. How do you expect them to support a family with practically no income from the employers? If you don't want to tip, carry the food out.

If you think the employers should pay for it, then your food prices go up. Regardless, people are paying for it.

If you feel you are too good for tips, stop eating at a real restraurant and eat Burger King.

Oh the irony, the person who supports tipping is "ungrateful". :roll:

They're ungrateful because they're not the ones being demanded extra money. If I wanted to pay extra, I would have ordered something else to give the company a bigger profit. That's like going to pay your bill and someone going "Surprise, it's going to be an extra 10% on top of your bill. Yes I know that wasn't the agreed upon price, but we're going to expect you to pay it anyway because we can't be bothered to pay our employees."

It's not my problem that a woman with a family to support decides to take a sh|t job that she knows can't support the family. It's not the employer's fault or responsibility to analize the employee's lifestyle to see whether they will be able to handle such a low income or not.

Jesus christ. :|

Actually, the ones who decide to take this sh!t job are the ones who:
1. Dont have the required education to get a job that will pay more than retail.
2. Students who are smart enough to do this rather than get paid a retail wage.

And waiters/waitresses actually do make plenty. Enough to support a kid or two. Even after dealing with a few cheap customers like you.

 

[chrisms]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms
Nik, go ahead and stiff the drivers all you want. All I know is that where I worked, we would mark down the non-tippers and they would be the last to go. For example, if I was hungry, I'd leave a non-tipper's pizza sitting in the bag until I had eaten. I'm not the kind of guy to spit in someone's food (I think few people are), but to think the manager of the joint is going to give a fsck that your order is late when you have the designation of never giving a tip is funny. I remember when people like you would call up and complain because their food was late, we'd just tell them to wait longer. Cancel the order? Please do, it isn't worth it for me to drive two miles to your house, especially when Mr. $5 tip is waiting right here next to you.

It isn't really something that gets me angry. It would when I was a driver, and I'd drive to the complete opposite side of town and get no tip. As for getting another job, that is a really silly statement. The job's pay is made to assume that people will tip you, and 95% do because they realize this.. just because you want to go against the grain doesn't mean you should stiff service workers. The tip is designed to give you some leeway as to how much you want to give for the quality of service rendered.. stiffing someone means they completely fscked up, and in my line of work $2-$3 was the average tip for normal service.

That's some ridiculously terrible customer service.

No, it isn't. A tip is usually attributed to the quality of service rendered. If you are going to stiff the driver regardless of the quality of service, well guess what? You get what you paid for--terrible service.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: MommysLittleMonster

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Actaeon

Originally posted by: Nik

:roll:

Boofvckinghoo. Get a different job. Not tipping is extremely selfish?

What a fvcking lazy, ungreatful, stupid, self-destructive ideology.

Yes it is. How do you expect them to support a family with practically no income from the employers? If you don't want to tip, carry the food out.

If you think the employers should pay for it, then your food prices go up. Regardless, people are paying for it.

If you feel you are too good for tips, stop eating at a real restraurant and eat Burger King.

Oh the irony, the person who supports tipping is "ungrateful". :roll:

They're ungrateful because they're not the ones being demanded extra money. If I wanted to pay extra, I would have ordered something else to give the company a bigger profit. That's like going to pay your bill and someone going "Surprise, it's going to be an extra 10% on top of your bill. Yes I know that wasn't the agreed upon price, but we're going to expect you to pay it anyway because we can't be bothered to pay our employees."

It's not my problem that a woman with a family to support decides to take a sh|t job that she knows can't support the family. It's not the employer's fault or responsibility to analize the employee's lifestyle to see whether they will be able to handle such a low income or not.

Jesus christ. :|

Actually, the ones who decide to take this sh!t job are the ones who:
1. Dont have the required education to get a job that will pay more than retail.
2. Students who are smart enough to do this rather than get paid a retail wage.

And waiters/waitresses actually do make plenty. Enough to support a kid or two. Even after dealing with a few cheap customers like you.

There's more to life than college, retail, and pizza delivery. Get off your ass and try. Don't expect me to pay you to be lazy.

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms
Nik, go ahead and stiff the drivers all you want. All I know is that where I worked, we would mark down the non-tippers and they would be the last to go. For example, if I was hungry, I'd leave a non-tipper's pizza sitting in the bag until I had eaten. I'm not the kind of guy to spit in someone's food (I think few people are), but to think the manager of the joint is going to give a fsck that your order is late when you have the designation of never giving a tip is funny. I remember when people like you would call up and complain because their food was late, we'd just tell them to wait longer. Cancel the order? Please do, it isn't worth it for me to drive two miles to your house, especially when Mr. $5 tip is waiting right here next to you.

It isn't really something that gets me angry. It would when I was a driver, and I'd drive to the complete opposite side of town and get no tip. As for getting another job, that is a really silly statement. The job's pay is made to assume that people will tip you, and 95% do because they realize this.. just because you want to go against the grain doesn't mean you should stiff service workers. The tip is designed to give you some leeway as to how much you want to give for the quality of service rendered.. stiffing someone means they completely fscked up, and in my line of work $2-$3 was the average tip for normal service.

That's some ridiculously terrible customer service.

No, it isn't. A tip is usually attributed to the quality of service rendered. If you are going to stiff the driver regardless of the quality of service, well guess what? You get what you paid for--terrible service.

I paid for service when I paid the bill. That's what customer service is. That's part of the game, folks. It's your job to service the customer. Guess who your employer is? The company name on the paycheck, not your customer directly. Want more money? Get a raise or get your ass out to look for another job.

 

[MommysLittleMonster]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MommysLittleMonster

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Most of the world finds it odd that tipping is expected in the USA. It should be renamed since it's not really 'tipping' anymore.

No, in America, it's not really a "tip." It's more of a standard, a norm, when compared to other countries. But if you don't like it, either move out of the country or eat at home.

Or continue to eat where you wish and pay only what's required of you and let the greedy, selfish, expectant wankers cry because they can't be bothered to look for a second/different job when they don't make enough money? Yeah, I think I'll go with that one.

Just out of curiousity, where are you from?

 

[Actaeon]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Actaeon

Originally posted by: Nik

:roll:

Boofvckinghoo. Get a different job. Not tipping is extremely selfish?

What a fvcking lazy, ungreatful, stupid, self-destructive ideology.

Yes it is. How do you expect them to support a family with practically no income from the employers? If you don't want to tip, carry the food out.

If you think the employers should pay for it, then your food prices go up. Regardless, people are paying for it.

If you feel you are too good for tips, stop eating at a real restraurant and eat Burger King.

Oh the irony, the person who supports tipping is "ungrateful". :roll:

They're ungrateful because they're not the ones being demanded extra money. If I wanted to pay extra, I would have ordered something else to give the company a bigger profit. That's like going to pay your bill and someone going "Surprise, it's going to be an extra 10% on top of your bill. Yes I know that wasn't the agreed upon price, but we're going to expect you to pay it anyway because we can't be bothered to pay our employees."

It's not my problem that a woman with a family to support decides to take a sh|t job that she knows can't support the family. It's not the employer's fault or responsibility to analize the employee's lifestyle to see whether they will be able to handle such a low income or not.

Jesus christ. :|

Stop trying to twist words to make you feel better about your argument. You're just being cheap.

They're not demanding any "extra money". They are asking for money for the service provided TO YOU. Food doesn't automagically appear from the Kitchen to your table, drinks don't automagically refill themselves, extra condiments don't automagically come to your table. The waiter brings all that to you, makes sure your meal is okay, and that you are a happy customer, with many many other people asking for quality service, it can be a tedious job.

The "tip" has never been an "extra", as its been the standard for dine-in restrauants for YEARS. Name one major full service restrauant that doesn't expect tips. Do you complain about sales tax too? That wasn't apart of the "agreed upon price". Regardless, if the company did pay wages, operating costs increase, and you end up paying more for your food to compensate for it. You are paying for it regardless. On that note, do you think service would be the same as it is now if they got paid an hourly wage regardless of service? If hourly wage was the norm, they probally wouldn't give a damn how well your meal was, because they're getting paid the same wages regardless if you are happy or not. Look at some smuck from BurgerKing and compare it to a full service restrauant, the employees attitude is much much different. One cares that your meal is okay, the other one doesn't. Quality service comes from this standardized form of pay.

Some people can't afford to go to college, so they HAVE to take a "Sh!t job", and many waitresses are students as well, trying to make themselves better. It is alot of work, and they should be compensated for it.

You are just being cheap.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: MommysLittleMonster

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MommysLittleMonster

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Most of the world finds it odd that tipping is expected in the USA. It should be renamed since it's not really 'tipping' anymore.

No, in America, it's not really a "tip." It's more of a standard, a norm, when compared to other countries. But if you don't like it, either move out of the country or eat at home.

Or continue to eat where you wish and pay only what's required of you and let the greedy, selfish, expectant wankers cry because they can't be bothered to look for a second/different job when they don't make enough money? Yeah, I think I'll go with that one.

Just out of curiousity, where are you from?

NW Oregon; why?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Actaeon
Stop trying to twist words to make you feel better about your argument. You're just being cheap.

They're not demanding any "extra money". They are asking for money for the service provided TO YOU. Food doesn't automagically appear from the Kitchen to your table, drinks don't automagically refill themselves, extra condiments don't automagically come to your table. The waiter brings all that to you, makes sure your meal is okay, and that you are a happy customer, with many many other people asking for quality service, it can be a tedious job.

The "tip" has never been an "extra", as its been the standard for dine-in restrauants for YEARS. Name one major full service restrauantthat doesn't expect tips. Do you complain about sales tax too? That wasn't apart of the "agreed upon price". Regardless, if the company did pay wages, operating costs increase, and you end up paying more for your food to compensate for it. You are paying for it regardless. On that note, do you think service would be the same as it is now if they got paid an hourly wage regardless of service? If hourly wage was the norm, they probally wouldn't give a damn how well your meal was. Quality service comes from this standardized form of pay.

Some people can't afford to go to college, so they HAVE to take a "Sh!t job", and many waitresses are students as well, trying to make themselves better. It is alot of work, and they should be compensated for it.

You are just being cheap.

The service provided TO ME that I PAID FOR was being PAID FOR when I paid the cost of what's ON THE DAMN BILL.

Period.

Sales tax is part of the agreed upon price. :laugh:

Those people *are* being compensated for their work. It's called a goddamn PAYCHECK. Don't like it? Get a different PAYCHECK.

 

[chrisms]

Originally posted by: Nik

I paid for service when I paid the bill. That's what customer service is. That's part of the game, folks. It's your job to service the customer. Guess who your employer is? The company name on the paycheck, not your customer directly. Want more money? Get a raise or get your ass out to look for another job.

Yes you did pay for the service when you paid the bill. You paid $1 to a man to burn his gasoline, and put maintenence on his vehicle and bring a pizza to your house. Don't be surprised if the man isn't in too much of a hurry when other people are willing to pay him $3-4 for the same service.

Get another job? You're lucky everyone else is still tipping because without tips, there is not pizza delivery service. At least not at the price it is now. You're only getting away with it because everyone else tips.

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: Nik
I paid for service when I paid the bill. That's what customer service is. That's part of the game, folks. It's your job to service the customer. Guess who your employer is? The company name on the paycheck, not your customer directly. Want more money? Get a raise or get your ass out to look for another job.

I think what everyone is telling you here is that you DON'T pay for customer service as part of the bill for pizza delivery or at a restaurant. The tip is what you pay for that service, and its at your discretion for that reason... so you can tip well for good service, and nothing for bad service. If you don't pay a tip, you paid precisely $0 for the service you recieved in getting your food handed to you. And you can expect to get service of that value the next time you're there.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Nik

I paid for service when I paid the bill. That's what customer service is. That's part of the game, folks. It's your job to service the customer. Guess who your employer is? The company name on the paycheck, not your customer directly. Want more money? Get a raise or get your ass out to look for another job.

Yes you did pay for the service when you paid the bill. You paid $1 to a man to burn his gasoline, and put maintenence on his vehicle and bring a pizza to your house. Don't be surprised if the man isn't in too much of a hurry when other people are willing to pay him $3-4 for the same service.

Get another job? You're lucky everyone else is still tipping because without tips, there is not pizza delivery service. At least not at the price it is now. You're only getting away with it because everyone else tips.

booooohooooo!!! Somebody call the WAAAAAAmbulance! :roll: Like I give a fvck. The service delivery charge for pizza delivery is a couple bucks that's added into the bill. Want more? Charge more. Don't expect it in a tip.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nik
I paid for service when I paid the bill. That's what customer service is. That's part of the game, folks. It's your job to service the customer. Guess who your employer is? The company name on the paycheck, not your customer directly. Want more money? Get a raise or get your ass out to look for another job.

I think what everyone is telling you here is that you DON'T pay for customer service as part of the bill for pizza delivery or at a restaurant. The tip is what you pay for that service, and its at your discretion for that reason... so you can tip well for good service, and nothing for bad service. If you don't pay a tip, you paid precisely $0 for the service you recieved in getting your food handed to you. And you can expect to get service of that value the next time you're there.

If I didn't want customer service, I'd go to the grociery store and buy all the stuff to make the food at home.

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nik
I paid for service when I paid the bill. That's what customer service is. That's part of the game, folks. It's your job to service the customer. Guess who your employer is? The company name on the paycheck, not your customer directly. Want more money? Get a raise or get your ass out to look for another job.

I think what everyone is telling you here is that you DON'T pay for customer service as part of the bill for pizza delivery or at a restaurant. The tip is what you pay for that service, and its at your discretion for that reason... so you can tip well for good service, and nothing for bad service. If you don't pay a tip, you paid precisely $0 for the service you recieved in getting your food handed to you. And you can expect to get service of that value the next time you're there.

If I didn't want customer service, I'd go to the grociery store and buy all the stuff to make the food at home.

And that's why no one asks for a tip at the grocery store.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nik
I paid for service when I paid the bill. That's what customer service is. That's part of the game, folks. It's your job to service the customer. Guess who your employer is? The company name on the paycheck, not your customer directly. Want more money? Get a raise or get your ass out to look for another job.

I think what everyone is telling you here is that you DON'T pay for customer service as part of the bill for pizza delivery or at a restaurant. The tip is what you pay for that service, and its at your discretion for that reason... so you can tip well for good service, and nothing for bad service. If you don't pay a tip, you paid precisely $0 for the service you recieved in getting your food handed to you. And you can expect to get service of that value the next time you're there.

If I didn't want customer service, I'd go to the grociery store and buy all the stuff to make the food at home.

And that's why no one asks for a tip at the grocery store.

Customer service is like chivalry. Good people give it and expect nothing in return because they know it's the right thing to do (like I do with all of my clients). It's not some additional service that you pay extra for. It's just what you do.

 

[Actaeon]

Originally posted by: Nik

The service provided TO ME that I PAID FOR was being PAID FOR when I paid the cost of what's ON THE DAMN BILL.

Period.

Sales tax is part of the agreed upon price. :laugh:

Those people *are* being compensated for their work. It's called a goddamn PAYCHECK. Don't like it? Get a different PAYCHECK.

Nope, that is just the cost of food. Period.

No, sales tax is not apart of the agreed upon price. 99% of all establishments do not include sales tax in their MSRP. When I see a 49.99 label on something, that will not be the total when I walk out, I must pay sales tax.

They make no money from the paycheck, because it pays for health insurance provided by the employer.

Do yourself and the world a favor, stop eating at dine-in restrauants if you refuse to tip. Tipping is what makes you able to walk into a restrauant and get quality service. If tipping didn't exist, all we would have is fast food places and crappy service.

Why did you ignore the rest of the points I had made?

 

[waggy]

heh nik you will never convence them.

I tip. UNLESS the service sucks. IF they put the tip on the bill and i do not have a group i strick it out and do not pay it.

I pay 10% for good service. Great service gets up to 15% and bad service gets less. if they really suck i give a penny.


a tip is for GOOD service. if you suck no tip for you.

Its not my problem you got a job that pays $2.50 an hour. want more money? get a 2nd job or get an education and get a better job. Don't want to do that? fine get what i give you.

 

[MommysLittleMonster]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nik
I paid for service when I paid the bill. That's what customer service is. That's part of the game, folks. It's your job to service the customer. Guess who your employer is? The company name on the paycheck, not your customer directly. Want more money? Get a raise or get your ass out to look for another job.

I think what everyone is telling you here is that you DON'T pay for customer service as part of the bill for pizza delivery or at a restaurant. The tip is what you pay for that service, and its at your discretion for that reason... so you can tip well for good service, and nothing for bad service. If you don't pay a tip, you paid precisely $0 for the service you recieved in getting your food handed to you. And you can expect to get service of that value the next time you're there.

:thumbsup: Agreed. Service is an essential part of the dining experience, and without it, you are basically eating at a fast food restuarunt. Refilling your drinks, making sure everything is ok, taking care of your every wish...these are the things you are paying for with the tip. To receive a $0 tip, I would have to imagine the absolute worst when it comes to dining out. But, it everything is satisfactional, at least tip the waiter/waitress 15%, which is cheap IMO. Without the service of a waiter/waitress, I couldnt imagine anything more than eating at a Fuddruckers.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Actaeon

Originally posted by: Nik

The service provided TO ME that I PAID FOR was being PAID FOR when I paid the cost of what's ON THE DAMN BILL.

Period.

Sales tax is part of the agreed upon price. :laugh:

Those people *are* being compensated for their work. It's called a goddamn PAYCHECK. Don't like it? Get a different PAYCHECK.

Nope, that is just the cost of food. Period.

No, sales tax is not apart of the agreed upon price. 99% of all establishments do not include sales tax in their MSRP. When I see a 49.99 label on something, that will not be the total when I walk out, I must pay sales tax.

They make no money from the paycheck, because it pays for health insurance provided by the employer.

Do yourself and the world a favor, stop eating at dine-in restrauants if you refuse to tip. Tipping is what makes you able to walk into a restrauant and get quality service. If tipping didn't exist, all we would have is fast food places and crappy service.

Why did you ignore the rest of the points I had made?

why is he ignoring your pionts? becasue they are stupid.

you can not compare a tax (wich is on EVERYTHING) to tipping. just does not work.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Actaeon
Nope, that is just the cost of food. Period.

No, sales tax is not apart of the agreed upon price. 99% of all establishments do not include sales tax in their MSRP. When I see a 49.99 label on something, that will not be the total when I walk out, I must pay sales tax.

They make no money from the paycheck, because it pays for health insurance provided by the employer.

Do yourself and the world a favor, stop eating at dine-in restrauants if you refuse to tip. Tipping is what makes you able to walk into a restrauant and get quality service. If tipping didn't exist, all we would have is fast food places and crappy service.

Why did you ignore the rest of the points I had made?

Who makes no money on the paycheck? The employee? You mean the employee doesn't receive a paycheck?

The driving force behind fine dining is *not* tipping. Jesus, even in pizza delivery establishments, management is paying less than $2 to make a pizza that they sell for ten times that amount. Where is all that money going?

Wait, I don't give a fvck where it's going. I'll pay what's on the bill unless I get exceptional service.

 

[diablofreak]

i hate tip jars. wtf is tha a begging tool?

also i hate the mandatory 18% for party of 6 or more. now here in nyc some restaurants have the gall to put in service charge/tips for a small party of 2 and put in 18%.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: waggy
Its not my problem you got a job that pays $2.50 an hour. want more money? get a 2nd job or get an education and get a better job. Don't want to do that? fine get what i give you.

I'll buy you a beer if you're ever in Oregon. :thumbsup:

 

[Actaeon]

Originally posted by: waggy


why is he ignoring your pionts? becasue they are stupid.

you can not compare a tax (wich is on EVERYTHING) to tipping. just does not work.

Yes you can.

The "tip" has never been an "extra", as its been the standard for dine-in restrauants for YEARS. Name one major full service restrauant that doesn't have a line for tips.

 

[MommysLittleMonster]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Actaeon
Nope, that is just the cost of food. Period.

No, sales tax is not apart of the agreed upon price. 99% of all establishments do not include sales tax in their MSRP. When I see a 49.99 label on something, that will not be the total when I walk out, I must pay sales tax.

They make no money from the paycheck, because it pays for health insurance provided by the employer.

Do yourself and the world a favor, stop eating at dine-in restrauants if you refuse to tip. Tipping is what makes you able to walk into a restrauant and get quality service. If tipping didn't exist, all we would have is fast food places and crappy service.

Why did you ignore the rest of the points I had made?

Who makes no money on the paycheck? The employee? You mean the employee doesn't receive a paycheck?

The driving force behind fine dining is *not* tipping. Jesus, even in pizza delivery establishments, management is paying less than $2 to make a pizza that they sell for ten times that amount. Where is all that money going?

Wait, I don't give a fvck where it's going. I'll pay what's on the bill unless I get exceptional service.

The employee's paycheck is almost nothing. It covers all of deductions their employer must make. After deductions, their paycheck is practically nothing. Thus, their primary income is generated through tips.

 

[MommysLittleMonster]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: waggy
Its not my problem you got a job that pays $2.50 an hour. want more money? get a 2nd job or get an education and get a better job. Don't want to do that? fine get what i give you.

I'll buy you a beer if you're ever in Oregon. :thumbsup:

Would you at least give the bartender a decent tip?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Actaeon

Originally posted by: waggy


why is he ignoring your pionts? becasue they are stupid.

you can not compare a tax (wich is on EVERYTHING) to tipping. just does not work.

Yes you can.

The "tip" has never been an "extra", as its been the standard for dine-in restrauants for YEARS. Name one major full service restrauant that doesn't have a line for tips.

Years. Right. And fine-dining has only been in existence for years? Heh... try centuries. It started back when folks were good folks -with folks who knew what customer service really is, who understood that it's just something you do whether you get paid extra for it or not -not the other way around.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: MommysLittleMonster

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Actaeon
Nope, that is just the cost of food. Period.

No, sales tax is not apart of the agreed upon price. 99% of all establishments do not include sales tax in their MSRP. When I see a 49.99 label on something, that will not be the total when I walk out, I must pay sales tax.

They make no money from the paycheck, because it pays for health insurance provided by the employer.

Do yourself and the world a favor, stop eating at dine-in restrauants if you refuse to tip. Tipping is what makes you able to walk into a restrauant and get quality service. If tipping didn't exist, all we would have is fast food places and crappy service.

Why did you ignore the rest of the points I had made?

Who makes no money on the paycheck? The employee? You mean the employee doesn't receive a paycheck?

The driving force behind fine dining is *not* tipping. Jesus, even in pizza delivery establishments, management is paying less than $2 to make a pizza that they sell for ten times that amount. Where is all that money going?

Wait, I don't give a fvck where it's going. I'll pay what's on the bill unless I get exceptional service.

The employee's paycheck is almost nothing. It covers all of deductions their employer must make. After deductions, their paycheck is practically nothing. Thus, their primary income is generated through tips.

Oh, right. I totally see why the burden of them accepting a job knowing that it pays nothing is all on me.

:roll:

Cry me a goddamn river, build a bridge, jump off and drown. :|