What do you consider a manly suicide ?

[mugs]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

it is selfish because they are not thinking of the people that love them who they've left behind to suffer all the "what ifs", "maybe i could've done something to prevent it", "why didn't i see the signs?"
they've ended their suffering while those around them get to suffer the rest of their lives over it.

oh yeh, it's selfish.

That's a huge exaggeration, and YOU are being selfish. You want someone to live in pain so you don't have to deal with them dying? That's terrible.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: LoKe

Originally posted by: moshquerade
If you've had someone you are close to commit suicide then you can come talk to me.

What if you have no one close to you? What if you have nothing in the world but pain and suffering? No one around to tell you that things will work out? No one to talk to, no one to hang out with, no one to laugh with, cry with?

I've come into contact with a lot of people who were on the edge. I can say with 100% certainty that the justification some people have for their actions are right, or right enough to them, which is what matters.

Who are you to say that someone has to stick around to suffer for the next xx years? Why should they have to live miserably because you don't think they should have a choice in how they live or don't live their life.

weak, mentally ill, whatever. still only thinking of themselves.

You should really read his post. There are a lot of people in this world that have absolutely no one in their lives and the world would not even notice if they were to off themselves. :/ Kind of depressing to think about it.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: konakona
play online games for 3 days straight and pass out

ah, such a way to go

 

[BrownTown]

I agree in large part with what "Flyback" is saying, personally my family has a very strong history of mental illness and saying that someone is ALWAYS selfish and cowardly for killing themselves is not true. For some people with mental illness the pain really can be so bad that death seems like a good option, and if NOBODY loves you then who are you hurting, you would probably make others HAPPY by killing yourself. I know some people here might not want to accept that fact or consider it to horrible to comprehend, but that doesn't chance the truth of the matter.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: mugs
I don't think slitting wrists is feminine... seems like a crappy way to go.

I think Garth wins this one.

If I was going to do it, I think I'd go with jumping out of a plane.

rofl, like in crank with jason stathom

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
I agree in large part with what "Flyback" is saying, personally my family has a very strong history of mental illness and saying that someone is ALWAYS selfish and cowardly for killing themselves is not true. For some people with mental illness the pain really can be so bad that death seems like a good option, and if NOBODY loves you then who are you hurting, you would probably make others HAPPY by killing yourself. I know some people here might not want to accept that fact or consider it to horrible to comprehend, but that doesn't chance the truth of the matter.

Not to mention people who live with chronic, incomprehensible phyiscal pain everyday of their lives.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage

Originally posted by: mugs
I don't think slitting wrists is feminine... seems like a crappy way to go.

I think Garth wins this one.

If I was going to do it, I think I'd go with jumping out of a plane.

rofl, like in crank with jason stathom

Haven't seen that movie, thanks for ruining it!

 

[imported_LoKe]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: BrownTown
I agree in large part with what "Flyback" is saying, personally my family has a very strong history of mental illness and saying that someone is ALWAYS selfish and cowardly for killing themselves is not true. For some people with mental illness the pain really can be so bad that death seems like a good option, and if NOBODY loves you then who are you hurting, you would probably make others HAPPY by killing yourself. I know some people here might not want to accept that fact or consider it to horrible to comprehend, but that doesn't chance the truth of the matter.

Not to mention people who live with chronic, incomprehensible phyiscal pain everyday of their lives.

Like a combination of all of these?

Fibromyalgia
Tinnitus
Insomnia
Depression

Yeah, I hear ya. Welcome to my life.

 

[manowar821]

Beheading yourself. That would be an almost insane amount of manliness.

Seppuku is pretty hardcore, too.

 

[MrDudeMan]

I had a friend in high school who committed suicide, and I can honestly say he did it with no selfish intent. People usually say it is an incredibly selfish act, but from the perspective of the person who is committing suicide, they think they are doing other people a favor. In that frame of mind, they believe they are causing more harm than good and that killing themselves will be an end to that. Often it has nothing to do with "I'm tired of life and want to quit" and everything to do with a mental illness or such severe and deep depression that there is no way to understand it without experiencing it yourself. I refuse to believe that every suicide is selfish because real selfishness expresses itself in many other ways.

 

[Pathogen03]

I read up to page 3, and noone mentioned

Whore-house heart attack?

you all should be ashamed.

 

[Fardringle]

There is no "manly" suicide. If the person in question truly were "manly" in the way I believe you are describing, they wouldn't be cowardly enough to want to kill themselves.

 

[imported_LoKe]

Originally posted by: Fardringle
There is no "manly" suicide. If the person in question truly were "manly" in the way I believe you are describing, they wouldn't be cowardly enough to want to kill themselves.

This has been addressed already.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Flyback

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Flyback

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
there is no manly way to commit a cowardly and selfish act

:roll:

he's right.

Because mental illness doesn't exist, right?

For them it has nothing to do with being selfish or cowardly when they have no quality of life whatsoever.

Sure, it has to do with being selfish. All they are thinking of is themselves.

If you've had someone you are close to commit suicide then you can come talk to me.

Thanks. That's exactly why I wrote what I did.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: moshquerade

it is selfish because they are not thinking of the people that love them who they've left behind to suffer all the "what ifs", "maybe i could've done something to prevent it", "why didn't i see the signs?"
they've ended their suffering while those around them get to suffer the rest of their lives over it.

oh yeh, it's selfish.

That's a huge exaggeration, and YOU are being selfish. You want someone to live in pain so you don't have to deal with them dying? That's terrible.

yeh.... right. i am the selfish one. i'm selfish for wanting my friend who offed himself over a girl to be alive right now.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: LoKe

Originally posted by: moshquerade
If you've had someone you are close to commit suicide then you can come talk to me.

What if you have no one close to you? What if you have nothing in the world but pain and suffering? No one around to tell you that things will work out? No one to talk to, no one to hang out with, no one to laugh with, cry with?

I've come into contact with a lot of people who were on the edge. I can say with 100% certainty that the justification some people have for their actions are right, or right enough to them, which is what matters.

Who are you to say that someone has to stick around to suffer for the next xx years? Why should they have to live miserably because you don't think they should have a choice in how they live or don't live their life.

weak, mentally ill, whatever. still only thinking of themselves.

You should really read his post. There are a lot of people in this world that have absolutely no one in their lives and the world would not even notice if they were to off themselves. :/ Kind of depressing to think about it.

that's sad indeed, but there is help for anyone, for everyone, out there if they would just help themselves.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: LoKe

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: BrownTown
I agree in large part with what "Flyback" is saying, personally my family has a very strong history of mental illness and saying that someone is ALWAYS selfish and cowardly for killing themselves is not true. For some people with mental illness the pain really can be so bad that death seems like a good option, and if NOBODY loves you then who are you hurting, you would probably make others HAPPY by killing yourself. I know some people here might not want to accept that fact or consider it to horrible to comprehend, but that doesn't chance the truth of the matter.

Not to mention people who live with chronic, incomprehensible phyiscal pain everyday of their lives.

Like a combination of all of these?

Fibromyalgia
Tinnitus
Insomnia
Depression

Yeah, I hear ya. Welcome to my life.

YGPM

 

[ch33zw1z]

manly suicide = finishing the job

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: moshquerade

it is selfish because they are not thinking of the people that love them who they've left behind to suffer all the "what ifs", "maybe i could've done something to prevent it", "why didn't i see the signs?"
they've ended their suffering while those around them get to suffer the rest of their lives over it.

oh yeh, it's selfish.

That's a huge exaggeration, and YOU are being selfish. You want someone to live in pain so you don't have to deal with them dying? That's terrible.

yeh.... right. i am the selfish one. i'm selfish for wanting my friend who offed himself over a girl to be alive right now.

Yes, you absolutely are.

I've explained why twice already.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: moshquerade

it is selfish because they are not thinking of the people that love them who they've left behind to suffer all the "what ifs", "maybe i could've done something to prevent it", "why didn't i see the signs?"
they've ended their suffering while those around them get to suffer the rest of their lives over it.

oh yeh, it's selfish.

That's a huge exaggeration, and YOU are being selfish. You want someone to live in pain so you don't have to deal with them dying? That's terrible.

yeh.... right. i am the selfish one. i'm selfish for wanting my friend who offed himself over a girl to be alive right now.

Yes, you absolutely are.

i disagree with you wholeheartedly.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: moshquerade

it is selfish because they are not thinking of the people that love them who they've left behind to suffer all the "what ifs", "maybe i could've done something to prevent it", "why didn't i see the signs?"
they've ended their suffering while those around them get to suffer the rest of their lives over it.

oh yeh, it's selfish.

That's a huge exaggeration, and YOU are being selfish. You want someone to live in pain so you don't have to deal with them dying? That's terrible.

yeh.... right. i am the selfish one. i'm selfish for wanting my friend who offed himself over a girl to be alive right now.

Yes, you absolutely are.

I've explained why twice already.

I agree that there are some people who are suffering from illnesses (both physical and mental) who kill themselves not out of selfishness, but for other motivating factors like the high cost of continued care and other burdens placed on families and friends.

However, there are cases where suicide is a selfish act done to get revenge on someone or with no consideration on how it is going to affect others. I have had two cousins commit suicide over women. Both times the woman dared them to do it by saying I wished you would just die. They both shot themselves (one of them with the bitch present) with no consideration to how it would affect family and friends who treasured them dearly. Both times it was to get revenge on a woman. Not all suicide is a result of mental or physical illnesses. In fact, in most cases with men, it usually involves getting back at a woman.


moshquerade:

Regardless of what you say there are other motivations to suicide than selfishness. Many soldiers have committed suicide after being captured to prevent many deaths of innocents by avoiding being tortured to extract secrets from them. There are honorable reasons to commit suicide and not everything, including suicide fits in some nice, neat little black and white box. Even the Bible gives a nod to committing suicide to avoid capture and torture by the enemy.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: moshquerade

it is selfish because they are not thinking of the people that love them who they've left behind to suffer all the "what ifs", "maybe i could've done something to prevent it", "why didn't i see the signs?"
they've ended their suffering while those around them get to suffer the rest of their lives over it.

oh yeh, it's selfish.

That's a huge exaggeration, and YOU are being selfish. You want someone to live in pain so you don't have to deal with them dying? That's terrible.

yeh.... right. i am the selfish one. i'm selfish for wanting my friend who offed himself over a girl to be alive right now.

Yes, you absolutely are.

i disagree with you wholeheartedly.

Great you know exactly what was best for him. That's why you can't be selfish. It was only for HIS GOOD!

It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that losing friends is a harsh, painful experience that you wish did not occur. It could not possibly have anything to do with the fact that friends provide benefits that you enjoy at all.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: moshquerade

it is selfish because they are not thinking of the people that love them who they've left behind to suffer all the "what ifs", "maybe i could've done something to prevent it", "why didn't i see the signs?"
they've ended their suffering while those around them get to suffer the rest of their lives over it.

oh yeh, it's selfish.

That's a huge exaggeration, and YOU are being selfish. You want someone to live in pain so you don't have to deal with them dying? That's terrible.

yeh.... right. i am the selfish one. i'm selfish for wanting my friend who offed himself over a girl to be alive right now.

Yes, you absolutely are.

i disagree with you wholeheartedly.

Great you know exactly what was best for him. That's why you can't be selfish. It was only for HIS GOOD!

It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that losing friends is a harsh, painful experience that you wish did not occur. It could not possibly have anything to do with the fact that friends provide benefits that you enjoy at all.

Have you experienced this first hand? I know, if given the choice between (1) them living but I never see them again and (2) them being dead, I would choose #1 every time.

 

[Ns1]

seppeku or bust

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: moshquerade

it is selfish because they are not thinking of the people that love them who they've left behind to suffer all the "what ifs", "maybe i could've done something to prevent it", "why didn't i see the signs?"
they've ended their suffering while those around them get to suffer the rest of their lives over it.

oh yeh, it's selfish.

That's a huge exaggeration, and YOU are being selfish. You want someone to live in pain so you don't have to deal with them dying? That's terrible.

yeh.... right. i am the selfish one. i'm selfish for wanting my friend who offed himself over a girl to be alive right now.

Yes, you absolutely are.

I've explained why twice already.

I agree that there are some people who are suffering from illnesses (both physical and mental) who kill themselves not out of selfishness, but for other motivating factors like the high cost of continued care and other burdens placed on families and friends.

However, there are cases where suicide is a selfish act done to get revenge on someone or with no consideration on how it is going to affect others. I have had two cousins commit suicide over women. Both times the woman dared them to do it by saying I wished you would just die. They both shot themselves (one of them with the bitch present) with no consideration to how it would affect family and friends who treasured them dearly. Both times it was to get revenge on a woman. Not all suicide is a result of mental or physical illnesses. In fact, in most cases with men, it usually involves getting back at a woman.


moshquerade:

Regardless of what you say there are other motivations to suicide than selfishness. Many soldiers have committed suicide after being captured to prevent many deaths of innocents by avoiding being tortured to extract secrets from them. There are honorable reasons to commit suicide and not everything, including suicide fits in some nice, neat little black and white box. Even the Bible gives a nod to committing suicide to avoid capture and torture by the enemy.

thank you for your response. i hadn't thought of that scenario you've explained, which seems more like martyrdom to me.

i suppose i shouldn't have made such a generalized response, as someone else has also pointed out to me, but i will say that the majority of suicides fall under my description.