What are your plans now that we all know America is on a steep and inevitable decline?

[HomerJS]

The system is fine. The people who’ve been conditioned to a preference for one party rule are the problem.

How could the system be fine when Trump has proven a President is above the law?

 

[Ken g6]

Go visit some popular destination countries like Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines, Brazil, Moscow, etc then see if you feel the same way. Im betting you wont.

🎶One of these things is not like the others🎶

In any case, none of those places are on any list of good retirement destinations I've seen. Such as:

The Top 10 Places to Retire Abroad Right Now

One new list says look south; another picks a region in Europe

www.nextavenue.org

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-countries-where-retire-just-174300194.html

 

[blackangst1]

🎶One of these things is not like the others🎶

In any case, none of those places are on any list of good retirement destinations I've seen. Such as:

The Top 10 Places to Retire Abroad Right Now

One new list says look south; another picks a region in Europe

www.nextavenue.org

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-countries-where-retire-just-174300194.html

I dont think he said anything about retirement...

 

[MrSquished]

I wasn't talking about leaving the country per se, but about what you are going to do in general in regards to life, politics, etc...and if that involves moving whether to another city or state, so be it. Are you going to continue to follow politics as intently as you do now? Or is it just too depressing? Or will you get even more engaged, perhaps trying to join a future campaign?

I will continue to vote in all elections, and when the weather is warm do lots of biking, hiking and get back into backpacking, and try to avoid politics a bit. It's just very hard now that it's getting cool out and the pandemic way of life is a bit solitary and indoors. This involves lots of time streaming, playing some video games, walking the dog and of course lots of reading the news.

I love living right near NYC, so I have no urge to leave my lovely little 2br condo and move to another part of the US. It's a lovely progressive city with so much to discover and be awed by. Minus Staten Island.

I have always wanted to live in Europe for like 4-5 years, before Trump ever came into the picture, and have EU citizenship, and while I have looked at jobs there, especially recently, it's very hard to do without speaking their language. I was looking in Germany, Spain and the Netherlands. I don't work in corporate so I don't really have a chance to just get transferred over there either. But I will continue to check.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

This is not the system we have always had. We used to have a much more progressive tax system, with stronger labor protections, stronger unions, and affordable higher education.

LOL no. No we didn't sweet cheeks.

Do you actually research this stuff, or just believe and obey what morons want you to believe?

Just because someone CREATES a 90% tax bracket - doesn't mean anyone actually paid such a tax.

 

[Aikouka]

I'm interested to see what a post-Trump Republican party does. Do they continue along this path once Trump is no longer their de-facto leader, or do they adapt to whoever is considered their party's figurehead? ...or will Trump try to keep his relevance alive within the party?

In a sense, I think how the political party's interact after Trump will shine a better light on the question at hand. While the Republicans being more of "The Party of Opposition" didn't start with Trump (arguably, it got really bad under Obama), it really needs to end with him.

 

[Starbuck1975]

How could the system be fine when Trump has proven a President is above the law?

He’s not above the law. The judiciary has and continues to box him in, the House impeached him and there is a line of AGs waiting to prosecute him the moment he steps foot outside the White House.

 

[mect]

LOL no. No we didn't sweet cheeks.

Do you actually research this stuff, or just believe and obey what morons want you to believe?

Just because someone CREATES a 90% tax bracket - doesn't mean anyone actually paid such a tax.

Just because no one paid the top 90% tax bracket doesn't mean the wealthy didn't pay more than they do now. I mean, this is pretty common knowledge. The slightest bit of research would confirm what I posted. It isn't that hard with a tiny bit of effort and a desire to know the actual facts. Here, I'll even help you get started.

For The First Time In History, U.S. Billionaires Paid A Lower Tax Rate Than The Working Class: What Should We Do About It?

U.S. billionaires paid a lower tax rate than the working class in 2018.

www.forbes.com

 

[mect]

LOL no. No we didn't sweet cheeks.

Do you actually research this stuff, or just believe and obey what morons want you to believe?

Just because someone CREATES a 90% tax bracket - doesn't mean anyone actually paid such a tax.

Also, just to be thorough, are you contending that our labor protections and unions are stronger now than they were 50 years ago? I mean, really? Are you arguing that paying for college today is the same as paying for college 50 years ago?

 

[IronWing]

Wealth gap was just as big and bad in the early 1900 as it is now. If you look at a 100 year chart, it's a massive U shape curve. We're now in the 2nd upper half of the U curve.

Wealth gap is accelerating in modern times because the top 1 to 10% owns majority of the stocks and equities. Stock market had tremendous run. So it's only natural the rich benefited disproportionately. And wages have been stagnant and people are getting into bigger debts with credit cards and student loans. Investing is all about time and compounding. It takes money to make money and the rich already have plenty. So it's super easy to grow that money into more money at rapid rate. That's how wealth is built and maintained. Meanwhile, the rest of the working population is starting with gigantic handicap because of things like giant student loan and credit card debts. Majority will never come close to being rich. It's unfair system but that's what we have and always had.

No, we did not always have the current system. Tax law, by design, currently benefits the wealthy at the expense of everyone else. Taxing unearned income at a rate far lower than earned income drives inequality.

 

[MtnMan]

Before you write off America, you might want to pay attention to what happens the next few years. I don't think the writing is on the wall yet. What Republicans think and feel now can change dramatically the next 2 years. Trump out of power is a huge change, wait and see. The Republican's faithlessness concerning the fairness of elections is unfounded. Unfounded notions have a way of disappearing like morning mist. Be patient.

However, I admit, I may leave the USA.

Trump will not be president, a step in the right direction. Trump will still have the power to persuade 30 - 40% of the people to not follow common sense guidelines, wear masks, get vaccinated, etc., etc. Hell he may even setup a press room at Mara Largo, and we know Fox, Newsmax and others will parrot his ramblings from his pedestal of ignorance. He cannot stand to not be in the news constantly.

 

[Muse]

I'm always amazed at the all the chicken littles running around screaming doom and gloom for the US. Seriously, step outside and get some fresh air. Travel and see the vast and great land of ours and refocus and get help on your mental state. I question your mental state if you think this country is falling apart and on steep and drop off the cliff decline.

US is fine. Are we going to be the number #1 economic power in the world in the future? No. China will be. But that's ok. Nothing can stop China from becoming #1 economic power in the future. It's just simple math. But is it bad being number #2 economic power? No. US will still be #1 in political power. US is still and will be the land of opportunity and the envy of the world.

For how long. Global warming crisis is festering and if we don't get a handle on how to manage it, we're in for an uncontrollable downfall. Globally. #1 won't mean shit if it all goes to hell.

 

[Muse]

Trump will not be president, a step in the right direction. Trump will still have the power to persuade 30 - 40% of the people to not follow common sense guidelines, wear masks, get vaccinated, etc., etc. Hell he may even setup a press room at Mara Largo, and we know Fox, Newsmax and others will parrot his ramblings from his pedestal of ignorance. He cannot stand to not be in the news constantly.

You're right about that. But it's also true that he doesn't deserve it and when he's escorted out of the White House it's all down hill for him. A whole lot of his "followers" won't be willing to escort him down the hill. They're fundamentally faithless people, how much faith are they going to muster for him?

 

[Mai72]

Hunker down and prepar for the war that will take place between the intellectuals and the undesirables.

 

[IronWing]

Hunker down and prepar for the war that will take place between the intellectuals and the undesirables.

That would be dumb when all we really need to do is tax the holy hell out of the rich.

 

[cytg111]

Well, if you fail it will be CPC all around in a couple of hundred years.
Your future grand children thanks you for throwing in the towel. /s.

 

[mect]

I am curious if anyone is set to take America's place as the world leaders. I know the popular opinion is China, but I just don't see it. They have in inverted, declining population that is going to give them more than they can handle in 20 years. It seems like India is too far behind development wise to take the role. Are we about to have an era without a dominant empire?

 

[sdifox]

I am curious if anyone is set to take America's place as the world leaders. I know the popular opinion is China, but I just don't see it. They have in inverted, declining population that is going to give them more than they can handle in 20 years. It seems like India is too far behind development wise to take the role. Are we about to have an era without a dominant empire?

China is really trying. They are dumping tons of money around the planet on big capital projects.

 

[cytg111]

Alternative is a bunch of small mafia states in semi conflict with each other at the direction of whoever has the best kompromat. Ill take CPC over what the F you wanna call Putins Russia anyday.

 

[mect]

China is really trying. They are dumping tons of money around the planet on big capital projects.

Yeah, they're trying. I just think their inverted population without the ability to bring in an immigrant work force is going to undermine these efforts.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That would be dumb when all we really need to do is tax the holy hell out of the rich.

Doesn’t even have to be holy hell...equitably would work just fine

 

[sdifox]

Yeah, they're trying. I just think their inverted population without the ability to bring in an immigrant work force is going to undermine these efforts.

They are moving away from labour intensive manufacturing as well. They are outsourcing that to Africa and South East Asia.

 

[ponyo]

That would be dumb when all we really need to do is tax the holy hell out of the rich.

Which is lot harder than it sounds since the rich usually writes the tax laws. I will do my part and vote Republican in the GA Senate runoff races to keep the Congress divided so they can't pass higher tax laws.

I am curious if anyone is set to take America's place as the world leaders. I know the popular opinion is China, but I just don't see it. They have in inverted, declining population that is going to give them more than they can handle in 20 years. It seems like India is too far behind development wise to take the role. Are we about to have an era without a dominant empire?

China will easily surpass us in economic power. They have 4 times our population so it will be easy. But politically and socially, I don't see how China can surpass the US. Democracy > Communism. Money can't change that.

 

[Svnla]

I am curious if anyone is set to take America's place as the world leaders. I know the popular opinion is China, but I just don't see it. They have in inverted, declining population that is going to give them more than they can handle in 20 years. It seems like India is too far behind development wise to take the role. Are we about to have an era without a dominant empire?

See my previous statement in this thread about maybe there would be several mini regional powers and not just a single super duper global power.

I don't see commie china either because their wealth/power is based purely on exporting junks to their customers in US, EU, and other developed countries. What would happen if those markets go away and where would they export those goods to? No export = no jobs for ordinary chinese = very bad for the ccp. Don't let me start with their huge bubble in real estate and off the book loans from shadow banks and the millions and millions of old people retiring with not enough young people to support (one child policy legacy).

I am more worry about commie china would behave like Nazi Germany prior to the begin of WWII (complain about years of humiliations from foreign countries to rile up the population, dictator for life (xi), pushing and bullying smaller neighbors, etc.) and things could get ugly in that region.

Latest friction between Australia and commie china, beside the ongoing trade war between those two.

Australia demands apology after Chinese official tweets 'falsified image' of soldier threatening child | CNN

Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison has demanded the Chinese government delete a "repugnant" and "falsified image" on Twitter that appears to show an Australian soldier threatening to slit a child's throat.

www.cnn.com

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[IronWing]

Which is lot harder than it sounds since the rich usually writes the tax laws. I will do my part and vote Republican in the GA Senate runoff races to keep the Congress divided so they can't pass higher tax laws.


China will easily surpass us in economic power. They have 4 times our population so it will be easy. But politically and socially, I don't see how China can surpass the US. Democracy > Communism. Money can't change that.

LOL! Your own FUGM attitude is what will allow China to surpass the US.