What are your plans now that we all know America is on a steep and inevitable decline?

[MrSquished]

Yeah it was prolly that first sentence that threw me for a loop. You know the one were you said "74 million Americans saw trump and not only wanted more, but made the effort to vote for him. He is eroding the very legitimacy of democracy and the vast majority of an entire political party is going along with it."

Maybe it's me but it's kinda easy to see how people who don't frequent P&N could interpret your posts differently than you intended.

Trump is disputing the election with no evidence and calling into question the very machinations of the voting process. The majority of Republican politicians, save a few, thankfully, have been 'humoring' him in these endeavors, and that's a nice way to put it. The majority of the voters believe Trump. Democracy doesn't function when that many people exist that far outside the realm of reality.

 

[amrnuke]

That’s some extremely intellectually lazy thinking right there. For one, the difference in the two parties in terms of being part of the problem or being the solution couldn’t be any larger. I mean one party actually tried to reign in corporations, fraud, and enact protections for consumers while the other party has done the opposite.

Second, lobbying, pork barrel spending, and pet projects have been apart of the political system EXCEPT very recently (2010/2011) and only has recently been reinstated (or the ban lifted). So that little experiment obviously failed as almost nothing got done between those years.

But go ahead, keep voting for a third party and wonder why things keep getting worse.

I didn't say that one party isn't better than the other, though if you looked at my voting record, you'd see that I am a single-party voter because I agree with the platform more for one party than the other.

What I said is that neither are the solution. Because the problem isn't one party or the other, but more the sequential and widespread individual actions which have put cronyism and self-enrichment above the good of the country, and unfortunately because of the massive cost of running a presidential campaign, there are going to be demands made on any presidential candidate with the system we currently have, along with most Congresspeople. That's the problem, and I wouldn't be stupid enough to vote third-party. I'm also not so stupid to think that either Republicans or Democrats are the answer to fixing this.

As for the earmarks you're referring to, Boehner banned earmarks in 2011, but that ban was no longer in effect as of January 2019. Have you considered that nothing happened from 2011-now because from Jan 2011-Jan 2017 we had a House and Senate who refused to do anything because they were enraged that a black man was President? And that they couldn't get anything done from Jan 2017-Jan 2019 because they couldn't get their own heads out of their asses? And that they couldn't get anything done from Jan 2019 til now because the Senate refuses to hear any House legislation?

The problem is that all of this stalemate is hurting Americans, and not affecting (but may be potentially helping), those in positions of political power. Again, it's cronyism and self-interest. If the Senate doesn't vote against Democratic legislation that is widely viewed as positive by even some Republicans, then Democrats can't use those votes in campaigns against the incumbent Republicans!

 

[Indus]

Holy shit you're more gone than I thought.....So 74million Americans exercised there right to vote and you have a very strong opinion against them doing that. To the point were it almost reads like you don't think they should have the right to vote at all......damn bro.

And another douchebag bleach drinker gets on my ignore list..

‘My President Says We Can Kill You Faggots Now’ – WATCH

 

[bbhaag]

And another douchebag bleach drinker gets on my ignore list..

‘My President Says We Can Kill You Faggots Now’ – WATCH

Lets go ahead and resize that 26pt font for a sec so I can quote this awesomeness.
Ok resized it.......Are you for real bro? The video aside because it's on a whole nother level but is that all it takes to get on your "douchebag bleach drinker" ignore list? I feel your distain for me I really do but what you need to do is ask yourself why you feel this way. Look inside yourself man and ask why.

 

[Muse]

No, 4 times our population and faster economic growth rate and higher savings are what's going to allow China to surpass the US economically. There's really nothing we or anyone can do to stop it. Maybe nuclear bomb that wipes out most of China could stop it but that's about it.

And no one likes paying higher taxes. I feel like 37% to the Fed plus another 5.75% to my state is more than fair.

I'm going to vote with my wallet.

That's your mistake right there.

I don't give a crap about Democrats or Republicans. They all suck. Gridlock is best.

It's easy to say you don't care about higher taxes when it doesn't hit your pocketbook. Tax the evil rich you say. But what if you're labeled rich when you're not? What if you're the one who has to pay 7 figures in taxes? I bet you wouldn't be calling for higher taxes.

40% long term capital gains tax would cause massive economic decline. I can almost guarantee short term stock market crash if 40% long term capital gains tax passes.

Gridlock will kill us. We're facing huge challenges. Gridlock means we aren't doing shit and we'll go down the drain. Gridlock sucks.

But what if you're labeled rich when you're not? What if you're the one who has to pay 7 figures in taxes? I bet you wouldn't be calling for higher taxes.

You think that's what the Democrats want and will push through with leverage in the House and Senate and White House? Whatever they will/would do, you think what the Republicans have done is better?

I think voting your pocket book is bad sauce even if you're poor. To do it when you're well off, well, that's what sucks.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Trump is disputing the election with no evidence and calling into question the very machinations of the voting process. The majority of Republican politicians, save a few, thankfully, have been 'humoring' him in these endeavors, and that's a nice way to put it. The majority of the voters believe Trump. Democracy doesn't function when that many people exist that far outside the realm of reality.

Yes, he is calling things into question - AS IS his right to do. It's his right to waste his fucking campaign dollars that morons have been giving him.

And guess what? The system is working as intended. Recounts are being done (again, at the cost of Trump's dollars) and the results are still not what he wants.

His lawyers are getting laughed out of court, and they are being incredibly hesitant with how they present these stupid cases since they don't want to be disbarred. The results are still not what he wants.

This is what the system was made for. It's working as intended. If you have something against disputing things in life then you have a severe mental disorder - and I hope you have a lesson to learn when you get wrongly convicted of something and then say "Oh well, I guess I can't appeal it"




If all of that makes you uneasy - you're simply an idiot. I'm sorry to say that - but you're a complete idiot if you think that what is happening right now with Trump makes you uneasy.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, he is calling things into question - AS IS his right to do. It's his right to waste his fucking campaign dollars that morons have been giving him.

And guess what? The system is working as intended. Recounts are being done (again, at the cost of Trump's dollars) and the results are still not what he wants.

His lawyers are getting laughed out of court, and they are being incredibly hesitant with how they present these stupid cases since they don't want to be disbarred. The results are still not what he wants.

This is what the system was made for. It's working as intended. If you have something against disputing things in life then you have a severe mental disorder - and I hope you have a lesson to learn when you get wrongly convicted of something and then say "Oh well, I guess I can't appeal it"




If all of that makes you uneasy - you're simply an idiot. I'm sorry to say that - but you're a complete idiot if you think that what is happening right now with Trump makes you uneasy.

The president undermining the validity of the election should make anyone with a brain uneasy.

 

[pmv]

Yeah it was prolly that first sentence that threw me for a loop. You know the one were you said "74 million Americans saw trump and not only wanted more, but made the effort to vote for him. He is eroding the very legitimacy of democracy and the vast majority of an entire political party is going along with it."

Maybe it's me but it's kinda easy to see how people who don't frequent P&N could interpret your posts differently than you intended.

No, it's you.

In a democracy one is perfectly entitled to disagree with how one's fellow citizens choose to vote.

1932 German presidential election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If one were to express distaste or horror that 36.8% of the electorate choose to vote for Adolf goddam Hitler, you would interpret that as meaning one was opposed to democracy?

 

[pmv]

Yes, he is calling things into question - AS IS his right to do. It's his right to waste his fucking campaign dollars that morons have been giving him.

And guess what? The system is working as intended. Recounts are being done (again, at the cost of Trump's dollars) and the results are still not what he wants.

His lawyers are getting laughed out of court, and they are being incredibly hesitant with how they present these stupid cases since they don't want to be disbarred. The results are still not what he wants.

This is what the system was made for. It's working as intended. If you have something against disputing things in life then you have a severe mental disorder - and I hope you have a lesson to learn when you get wrongly convicted of something and then say "Oh well, I guess I can't appeal it"




If all of that makes you uneasy - you're simply an idiot. I'm sorry to say that - but you're a complete idiot if you think that what is happening right now with Trump makes you uneasy.

If it doesn't make you uneasy, you are an idiot.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

No, it's you.

In a democracy one is perfectly entitled to disagree with how one's fellow citizens choose to vote.

1932 German presidential election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If one were to express distaste or horror that 36.8% of the electorate choose to vote for Adolf goddam Hitler, you would interpret that as meaning one was opposed to democracy?

Glad you're doing your part of making Godwin's law a fact.

 

[pmv]

Glad you're doing your part of making Godwin's law a fact.

I prefer meta-Godwin. It states, that, as with references to 'common sense', the first person to invoke Godwin's law (a terrible, misguided concept) loses the argument. Even Godwin himself has said he regrets coming up with it - it's only ever employed by people who don't want to, or can't, address the point.

 

[pmv]

Honestly, attempts to invoke that misugded 'law' are invariably a sign that someone is unable to engage in debate so has to run and hide behind a cliche.

 

[pmv]

Do you actually have a rational response or are you just going to hide behind a buzz-word?

Do you think that it should be forbidden to disapprove of how your fellow citizens choose to vote? Yes or no?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Honestly, attempts to invoke that misugded 'law' are invariably a sign that someone is unable to engage in debate so has to run and hide behind a cliche.

No, it just points to irrational fearmongering as your point. It isn't valid or worthy of addressing.

Plus, as far as overall kill-count, Hitler was is in 3rd place. Christ, bring up Stalin or Mao for once.

You're literally calling checks and balances and comparing it to Hitler. You have mental issues. Go take a walk and/or see a psychiatrist.

 

[pmv]

No, it just points to irrational fearmongering as your point. It isn't valid or worthy of addressing.

Plus, as far as overall kill-count, Hitler was is in 3rd place. Christ, bring up Stalin or Mao for once.

You're literally calling checks and balances and comparing it to Hitler. You have mental issues. Go take a walk and/or see a psychiatrist.

OK you have no argument to offer. As is usual for you.

 

[MrSquished]

Yes, he is calling things into question - AS IS his right to do. It's his right to waste his fucking campaign dollars that morons have been giving him.

And guess what? The system is working as intended. Recounts are being done (again, at the cost of Trump's dollars) and the results are still not what he wants.

His lawyers are getting laughed out of court, and they are being incredibly hesitant with how they present these stupid cases since they don't want to be disbarred. The results are still not what he wants.

This is what the system was made for. It's working as intended. If you have something against disputing things in life then you have a severe mental disorder - and I hope you have a lesson to learn when you get wrongly convicted of something and then say "Oh well, I guess I can't appeal it"




If all of that makes you uneasy - you're simply an idiot. I'm sorry to say that - but you're a complete idiot if you think that what is happening right now with Trump makes you uneasy.

I mean how is Trump the wrongfully convicted one here? That makes zero sense. He's just a narcissistic sore loser that doesn't care if he takes significant chunks out of an entire democratic system by running a vanity campaign to erode all confidence in the system among tens and tens of millions of his cult so they always see him as a winner, a fighter.

Anyways, Trump can do what he wants, but it's still causing irreparable damage to our democracy. If you don't see a problem with that, then again, well, that's just you being you, obtuse and dumb at every possible opportunity when it comes to politics.

 

[SMOGZINN]

If all of that makes you uneasy - you're simply an idiot. I'm sorry to say that - but you're a complete idiot if you think that what is happening right now with Trump makes you uneasy.

Oh, it should make you more than uneasy. It should scare the ever living daylights out of you.
Here is the thing you seem to have forgotten: Democracy is not a set of rules, it is a set of beliefs.
Trump, and the Republican party as a whole, has worked diligently to undermine those beliefs. While their work at undermining the machinations of democracy might not have come to fruition yet, it seems that their work at undermining the belief in the values of democracy has. A large chunk of people in this country simply no longer believe in our democratic process. They are convinced that an election was held and that the person that was declared the winner cheated to get it.
The most dangerous part about all this is that no matter which of them had won this would have been true. It is not the candidate we don't trust, it is the process. That process IS democracy. A large number of people, on both sides, no longer really believes in the process. Just half of them are happy that their side won.

 

[mect]

The president undermining the validity of the election should make anyone with a brain uneasy.

Especially considering a huge portion of American's believe what he's saying. I mean, do people not realize that 70% of republicans think the election was not free and fair? Do people not realize the impact that could have on our elections?

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, he is calling things into question - AS IS his right to do. It's his right to waste his fucking campaign dollars that morons have been giving him.

And guess what? The system is working as intended. Recounts are being done (again, at the cost of Trump's dollars) and the results are still not what he wants.

His lawyers are getting laughed out of court, and they are being incredibly hesitant with how they present these stupid cases since they don't want to be disbarred. The results are still not what he wants.

This is what the system was made for. It's working as intended. If you have something against disputing things in life then you have a severe mental disorder - and I hope you have a lesson to learn when you get wrongly convicted of something and then say "Oh well, I guess I can't appeal it"




If all of that makes you uneasy - you're simply an idiot. I'm sorry to say that - but you're a complete idiot if you think that what is happening right now with Trump makes you uneasy.

I doubt that the system was built with this sort of insanity in mind, but you're right in the sense that it's been holding up well. The headsets of my fellow Americans are a whole different thing, unfortunately. When Trump was elected 4 years ago, I figured it was one of those things where people get frothed up & just kinda lose it temporarily, like a lynching or a witch burning. And after 4 years of insanity, I thought we'd all pretty much have come to our senses, realize that it was a huge mistake. And then... and then... Trump got 10M more votes the second time around, despite it all. That is profoundly irrational. A lot of Trump voters are simply incapable of making rational decisions & that's no accident. People aren't capable of dreaming up such crazy shit on their own.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

And no one likes paying higher taxes. I feel like 37% to the Fed plus another 5.75% to my state is more than fair.

It's easy to say you don't care about higher taxes when it doesn't hit your pocketbook. Tax the evil rich you say. But what if you're labeled rich when you're not? What if you're the one who has to pay 7 figures in taxes? I bet you wouldn't be calling for higher taxes.

So you make over $518,000 in AGI (per 2020)? Before all the deductions at that level probably closer to $600,000 (top 1% in every category everywhere). Exactly how are you "labeled rich when you're not"?! Even with the worst possible taxation you probably have at least a quarter of a million dollars to spend/live off per year, of course after maxing out every possible retirement vehicle! Yes I will admit I would in no way notice increased taxes on earnings over $400,000, but I find it hard to symphatize with you getting slightly less of the last 200 grand you make, after you already have 400k to enjoy..

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

So you make over $518,000 in AGI (per 2020)? Before all the deductions at that level probably closer to $600,000 (top 1% in every category everywhere). Exactly how are you "labeled rich when you're not"?! Even with the worst possible taxation you probably have at least a quarter of a million dollars to spend/live off per year, of course after maxing out every possible retirement vehicle! Yes I will admit I would in no way notice increased taxes on earnings over $400,000, but I find it hard to symphatize with you getting slightly less of the last 200 grand you make, after you already have 400k to enjoy..

He has $1,500 Hermes masks to buy for his wife. Times are tough.

Anyhow, I make pretty decent bank, and I pay attention to every bit of accounting that I can for overall best means of lowering my taxable amount.

You're trying to insinuate that the more you make the less you would care about taxes ... Reality will tell you it's the exact opposite.

 

[repoman0]

He has $1,500 Hermes masks to buy for his wife. Times are tough.

Anyhow, I make pretty decent bank, and I pay attention to every bit of accounting that I can for overall best means of lowering my taxable amount.

You're trying to insinuate that the more you make the less you would care about taxes ... Reality will tell you it's the exact opposite.

Meh, I have stopped giving a shit about taxes the more I make. At some point one has a nice upper middle class life with everything one could possibly want within reason, and a little more or less money doesn’t make a bit of difference.

For some people like the poster in this thread, it’s never enough though and FYGM kicks in big time

 

[MrSquished]

You have Republican members of Georgia's election department calling news conferences to say the President's rhetoric is out of hand about the election, that people are going to get killed over this - that is to say it's literally destroying democracy - and we have a guy who wants to vote for the Republican senatorial candidate who has encouraged this behaviour by the president by going along with it and also calling for the SOS of Georgia to resign for NOT overthrowing an election, because they don't want people who make a million+ a year to pay more on LTCG

What a country.

RAW VIDEO: Secretary of State's Office official calls out online threats

www.wsbtv.com

 

[MtnMan]

And another douchebag bleach drinker gets on my ignore list..

‘My President Says We Can Kill You Faggots Now’ – WATCH

#1 keep driving, call 911
#2 never unlock your doors. If your car automatically unlocks doors when you put it in park, have the dealer disable that. That is not a feature it is a security issue.
#3 never leave home without your gun... which I think this guy now understands.

In addition have no political or movement stickers. etc., on your vehicle or in your yard. There are too many fucking nut jobs out there.

 

[Muse]

#1 keep driving, call 911
#2 never unlock your doors. If your car automatically unlocks doors when you put it in park, have the dealer disable that. That is not a feature it is a security issue.
#3 never leave home without your gun... which I think this guy now understands.

In addition have no political or movement stickers. etc., on your vehicle or in your yard. There are too many fucking nut jobs out there.

After watching that video I realize that those #1, #2 etc. admonitions are totally serious and evidently sensible... especially if you live in Sarasota County. What state is that??? GA?... nope, Florida.

I hope Trump gets what's coming to him someday. I know, his fate cannot be as bad as it should be.