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What are legitimate reasons for owning guns?

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Ranulf

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jackstar7 said:
Have you lived in any of those cities? I've lived and worked in 3.

You citing them in this way makes it sound like you've just swallowed a fat hog of propaganda.
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In them, no thankfully not. Near them? Yes. Lived in the "lower economic bracket" parts of other cities too. I don't need propaganda to tell me what I saw with my own two eyes, ears etc. is wrong. The crime stats speak for themselves.
 
Muse

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None.

The USA has 5x as many guns per capita as the next most armed developed nation. It's unconscionable and unnecessary.

If guns become illegal to own, eventually they won't be in the people's possession. What's the point of harboring a gun if the revelation of that fact will make you a felon?

As I envision it now:

Suppose you are a hunter and want to shoot game. OK, you have to be registered to do that. A gun would not remain in your possession, you'd have to check it out of a facility, have a plan and a similarly vetted buddy to shoot.

If you are a cop or in military, you are vetted and trained. I don't believe in cops walking around with guns strapped to their waists or in their cars. Only special personnel have access and it's tightly controlled.

If you live on a farm and need guns for critter control, you have to demonstrate/document a specific need, and like hunters, check out weapons and return them.
 
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DrunkenSano

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Preparing for the eventual zombie apocalypse when some sort of biochemical leak happens from some country's black labs. You'll regret that your house isn't stocked with guns and ammo. Look at the zombie shows, if you don't have food and guns? You die.
 
imported_tajmahal

imported_tajmahal

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Muse said:
None.

The USA has 5x as many guns per capita as the next most armed developed nation. It's unconscionable and unnecessary.

If guns become illegal to own, eventually they won't be in the people's possession. What's the point of harboring a gun if the revelation of that fact will make you a felon?

As I envision it now:

Suppose you are a hunter and want to shoot game. OK, you have to be registered to do that. A gun would not remain in your possession, you'd have to check it out of a facility, have a plan and a similarly vetted buddy to shoot.

If you are a cop or in military, you are vetted and trained. I don't believe in cops walking around with guns strapped to their waists or in their cars. Only special personnel have access and it's tightly controlled.

If you live on a farm and need guns for critter control, you have to demonstrate/document a specific need, and like hunters, check out weapons and return them.
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Yes! Just think if we make drugs and alcohol illegal to use, then drug addiction and alcohol addiction will be things of the past ! No more drunk driving arrests either, because we'll make drinking and driving illegal and it will all stop! Muse has had an epiphany! He can save the United States with his simplistic, ignorant and fucking stupid idea.
 
soundforbjt

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I always find it odd that conservatives gun owners are against anything that curtails their right, yet have zero problems with others rights being curtailed.
 
J.Wilkins

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Legitimate reasons to own a gun in the US... You want to shoot someone... 19 times out of 20 you will get away with it as a reason in court.
 
glenn1

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soundforbjt said:
I always find it odd that conservatives gun owners are against anything that curtails their right, yet have zero problems with others rights being curtailed.
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That’s why libertarians are the only principled people in most discussions about rights. Otherwise you have nanny state leftists trying to save you from Happy Meals and right to bear arms. Or authoritarian rightists trying to outlaw abortion and the existence of LGTBQ people.
 
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jackstar7

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Ranulf said:
In them, no thankfully not. Near them? Yes. Lived in the "lower economic bracket" parts of other cities too. I don't need propaganda to tell me what I saw with my own two eyes, ears etc. is wrong. The crime stats speak for themselves.
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Ha. Oh how they speak to you.

Rather they sing! SING the song of fear! Sing it quietly, like a whisper, lest the scary people find you and come to take your life with their motiveless violence!
 
imported_tajmahal

imported_tajmahal

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soundforbjt said:
I always find it odd that conservatives gun owners are against anything that curtails their right, yet have zero problems with others rights being curtailed.
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I always find it odd that so many liberal Democrats want to curtail everyone's rights to just about everything, except their own.
 
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SlowSpyder

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Just want to mention I'm in the market for a KelTec PMR30... 31 rounds of .22 mag in my hand. Will be an awesome plinker, might even carry it sometimes.
 
shortylickens

shortylickens

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kage69 said:
Really? Take a breath shorty. That should be beneath you, particularly towards posters like woolf.

We're having a shit time in Afghanistan because of several factors, but the ones that impact your argument the most would be the IEDs, DShKs and RPGs I suppose. Things have been wrapping up out in Iraq/Syria lately, doesn't look like losing on the battlefield over there now.
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They've managed to fight us off successfully for 16 years.

CLEARLY the american military will NOT bulldoze motivated armed civilians, which makes it an excellent friggen argument FOR guns.
GOSH DARN IT!
 
pcgeek11

pcgeek11

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I don't know of anyone trying to remove voting rights. Requiring a free identification card is not taking away the right to vote.

You need to be more specific on Drugs and Abortions. Illegal Drugs / Abortions or what? I have not seen either Drugs or Abortions listed in the bill of rights.

http://www.billofrightsinstitute.org/founding-documents/bill-of-rights/

The Bill of Rights – Full Text

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
 
ivwshane

ivwshane

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pcgeek11 said:
I don't know of anyone trying to remove voting rights. Requiring a free identification card is not taking away the right to vote.

You need to be more specific on Drugs and Abortions. Illegal Drugs / Abortions or what? I have not seen either Drugs or Abortions listed in the bill of rights.

http://www.billofrightsinstitute.org/founding-documents/bill-of-rights/

The Bill of Rights – Full Text

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
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Oh you thought the only rights people have are the ones listed in the constitution. See that's where you went wrong.
 
pcgeek11

pcgeek11

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ivwshane said:
Oh you thought the only rights people have are the ones listed in the constitution. See that's where you went wrong.
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Where does it say that all drugs and abortions for any reason are rights. Be specific.

I know you are going to throw out the Roe Vs Wade aspect, but that stops at viability.

" In the intermediate trimester, the danger to the woman increases and the State may therefore regulate the abortion procedure "to the extent that the regulation reasonably relates to the preservation and protection of maternal health," but the fetus is still not able to survive outside the womb, and consequently the actual decision to have an abortion cannot be otherwise impeded.565 "With respect to the State's important and legitimate interest in potential life, the 'compelling' point is at viability. This is so because the fetus then presumably has the capability of meaningful life outside the mother's womb. State regulation protective of fetal life after viability thus has both logical and biological justifications. If the State is interested in protecting fetal life after viability, it may go so far as to proscribe abortion during that period, except when it is necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother."

Where specifically does drugs become a right.

That being said I do not believe in unregulated 2A Gun rights. I have no problems with limiting guns types and ammunition stocks. I think you should be required to pass a background check to own or purchase a fire arm. There is no need to have automatic weapons or devices that simulate automatic weapons firing rate ( bump stocks ) or huge magazines. etc...
 
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ivwshane

ivwshane

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pcgeek11 said:
Where does it say that all drugs and abortions for any reason are rights. Be specific.

I know you are going to throw out the Roe Vs Wade aspect, but that stops at viability.

" In the intermediate trimester, the danger to the woman increases and the State may therefore regulate the abortion procedure "to the extent that the regulation reasonably relates to the preservation and protection of maternal health," but the fetus is still not able to survive outside the womb, and consequently the actual decision to have an abortion cannot be otherwise impeded.565 "With respect to the State's important and legitimate interest in potential life, the 'compelling' point is at viability. This is so because the fetus then presumably has the capability of meaningful life outside the mother's womb. State regulation protective of fetal life after viability thus has both logical and biological justifications. If the State is interested in protecting fetal life after viability, it may go so far as to proscribe abortion during that period, except when it is necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother."

Where specifically does drugs become a right.

That being said I do not believe in unregulated 2A Gun rights. I have no problems with limiting guns types and ammunition stocks. I think you should be required to pass a background check to own or purchase a fire arm. There is no need to have automatic weapons or devices that simulate automatic weapons firing rate ( bump stocks ) or huge magazines. etc...
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Your second mistake was thinking that because you oppose something, that limits on those rights aren't really limits.

The original claim was that gun nutters have no problem with other rights being curtailed.
 
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