What are legitimate reasons for citizens owning guns?

[jackstar7]

nope, but you cant cash a check, get a library card, rent a hotel room, get on a plane, get welfare, get food stamps, file for social security, ect without an id

so why not have one to vote? it would help eliminate voter fruad

WHAT VOTER FRAUD?

 

[soundforbjt]

WHAT VOTER FRAUD?

Can’t wait for their links showing it to be a REAL problem and not one they’re imagining

 

[ivwshane]

nope, but you cant cash a check, get a library card, rent a hotel room, get on a plane, get welfare, get food stamps, file for social security, ect without an id

so why not have one to vote? it would help eliminate voter fruad

So everyone cashes checks now? Everyone uses the library? Everyone rents a hotel room when traveling? Everyone travels by plane? Everyone is on welfare and food stamps and files for social security every year?

Well I guess if you can't think of a person that does none of those things then they probably don't exist. Right?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

nope, but you cant cash a check, get a library card, rent a hotel room, get on a plane, get welfare, get food stamps, file for social security, ect without an id

so why not have one to vote? it would help eliminate voter fruad

The problem is that Democrats and other lefties don't want to stop vote fraud, they are the beneficiaries of it and they know it.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Can’t wait for their links showing it to be a REAL problem and not one they’re imagining

They find it every single time they look for it. So you change the parameters of your argument to "REAL problem". Any fraud is too much fraud.

 

[blackangst1]

I guess the thread derailed, but *my* legitimate reasons for owning guns is...self defense, and its fun to go into the desert and shoot stuff.

 

[soundforbjt]

They find it every single time they look for it. So you change the parameters of your argument to "REAL problem". Any fraud is too much fraud.

Link up that rampant voter fraud that requires the Voter ID laws. I’ll wait..

 

[pcgeek11]

Should everyone have a gun in order to vote? You seem to be connecting disparate things, so why not take it further?

Read the thread, I didn't connect anything.

 

[ivwshane]

They find it every single time they look for it. So you change the parameters of your argument to "REAL problem". Any fraud is too much fraud.

Any gun violence is too much violence. Your move.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Link up that rampant voter fraud that requires the Voter ID laws. I’ll wait..

like I said "rampant", but always happy to provide an example.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article148434369.html

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Any gun violence is too much violence. Your move.

No, some gun violence is justifiable, such as self defense or defense of property.

 

[zinfamous]

Where does it say that all drugs and abortions for any reason are rights. Be specific.

Are you a member of a militia?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Are you a member of a militia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_(United_States)

"Today, as defined by the Militia Act of 1903, the term "militia" is primarily used to describe two groups within the United States:

• Organized militia – consisting of State militia forces; notably, the National Guard and Naval Militia.[9](Note: the National Guard is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States.)
• Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[10]

 

[zinfamous]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_(United_States)

"Today, as defined by the Militia Act of 1903, the term "militia" is primarily used to describe two groups within the United States:

• Organized militia – consisting of State militia forces; notably, the National Guard and Naval Militia.[9](Note: the National Guard is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States.)
• Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[10]

are you pcgeek? none of that answered my question, anyway. what does 1903 have to do with the absolute words written down and ratified in 1791? that is exactly what pcgeek claims as the ultimate truth, hence the question.

Are you interested in engaging in honest discourse, or just being an ignorant sockpuppet? I think my reasoning here is too difficult for you. The best part, though, is that you probably have no clue where I stand on this, as it has nothing to do with the logic posited here.

go suck a cigarette, you Russian skidmark.

 

[ivwshane]

No, some gun violence is justifiable, such as self defense or defense of property.

You got me, I should have qualified it with any illegal gun violence is unacceptable.

 

[Paladin3]

You got me, I should have qualified it with any illegal gun violence is unacceptable.

Agreed. We just differ on the best way to reduce illegal violence. I'm sure you aren't implying we don't care about gun violence, or criminal violence in general.

We could put a 40 mph governor on every car, spend more for safer roads and mandate retesting of all driver every 2 years to save way more lives than a complete gun ban ever would. But we have to be realistic and draw the line somewhere, even when we talk about saving lives.

There is a 1-in-1000 chance of dying each time a skydiver jumps out of a plane, according to a National Geographic program I saw the other day. How much are we willing to give up for a bit more perceived safety?

 

[pcgeek11]

Are you a member of a militia?

Maybe...

But seriously No I do not belong to an organized militia. I stated my before about guns and the regulation of them. I am not a " Gun Nutter " by any stretch of the imagination.

That being said I do not believe in unregulated 2A Gun rights. I have no problems with limiting guns types and ammunition stocks. I think you should be required to pass a background check to own or purchase a fire arm. There is no need to have automatic weapons or devices that simulate automatic weapons firing rate ( bump stocks ) or huge magazines. etc...

 

[pcgeek11]

are you pcgeek? none of that answered my question, anyway. what does 1903 have to do with the absolute words written down and ratified in 1791? that is exactly what pcgeek claims as the ultimate truth, hence the question.

Are you interested in engaging in honest discourse, or just being an ignorant sockpuppet? I think my reasoning here is too difficult for you. The best part, though, is that you probably have no clue where I stand on this, as it has nothing to do with the logic posited here.

go suck a cigarette, you Russian skidmark.

Please show me where I said that.

 

[soundforbjt]

like I said "rampant", but always happy to provide an example.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article148434369.html

Nine....now that’s what I call rampant, better recount the last election.

 

[Thebobo]

nope, but you cant cash a check, get a library card, rent a hotel room, get on a plane, get welfare, get food stamps, file for social security, ect without an id

so why not have one to vote? it would help eliminate voter fruad

There is virtually no voter fraud, if there how about some proof. Or you just taking trumps word for it?

 

[Thebobo]

like I said "rampant", but always happy to provide an example.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article148434369.html

9? That's all? Seriously did you read the article you linked

Rep. John Carmichael, a Democrat from Wichita, questioned whether it was a worthwhile use of taxpayers money to “have a full legal staff over there and only find 8 or 9 violations to prosecute.”

“Either, it’s not happening to the degree that the secretary of state imagines, or he and his staff are wasting the taxpayers’ money,” Carmichael said.

There were about 1.8 million people registered to vote in Kansas as of March.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

are you pcgeek? none of that answered my question, anyway. what does 1903 have to do with the absolute words written down and ratified in 1791? that is exactly what pcgeek claims as the ultimate truth, hence the question.

Are you interested in engaging in honest discourse, or just being an ignorant sockpuppet? I think my reasoning here is too difficult for you. The best part, though, is that you probably have no clue where I stand on this, as it has nothing to do with the logic posited here.

go suck a cigarette, you Russian skidmark.

You asked a fucking question and I answered it with what the current law says about it. If you ask a question, i'll answer it if i feel like it. I don't really care where you stand on this particular issue and as you saw i didn't respond with a snarky comment or a nasty put down, i answered with a reasonable link. You fluffer commies in Berkeley sure are getting touchy lately.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Nine....now that’s what I call rampant, better recount the last election.

Even 1 is too many, but it happens every time it's investigated and if it's OK with you can i go back and put Republicans in power where they lost an election by that percentage of votes next time? I'm sure you'll agree because it wasn't really that many.

 

[Thebobo]

You asked a fucking question and I answered it with what the current law says about it. If you ask a question, i'll answer it if i feel like it. I don't really care where you stand on this particular issue and as you saw i didn't respond with a snarky comment or a nasty put down, i answered with a reasonable link. You fluffer commies in Berkeley sure are getting touchy lately.

Well because my vocabulary of insults is not up to date I had to look up Fluffer Commies and low and behold the first picture that google image search shows is;

But I don't think Puttin is from or has been to Berkeley.

PS I think Fluffer Commies in Berkeley would be a cool band name.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Sorry, it fits Zinfamous, he owns it.

Well because my vocabulary of insults is not up to date I had to look up Fluffer Commies and low and behold the first picture that google image search shows is;

But I don't think Puttin is from or has been to Berkeley.

PS I think Fluffer Commies in Berkeley would be a cool band name.