cKGunslinger
Lifer
- Nov 29, 1999
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dainthomas
Lifer
- Dec 7, 2004
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IGBT
Lifer
- Jul 16, 2001
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..it's an outlook and attitude left over from the 1800's era of the "unsettled continent". Many things were put in place to promote population growth i.e. free education, home mortage deduction, dependent deduction unlimited immigration. The US is no longer an "unsettled continent".
Skunkwourk
Diamond Member
- Dec 9, 2004
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- Nov 30, 2005
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When I got married we both had an understanding that we did not want to have kids. There were logistical reasons as well as medical reasons behind that decision and neither of us regrets it one bit, particularly now, considering how things turned out.
For some reason there appears to be an unwritten rule that marriage = kids and many people even go so far as to say you should not even bother getting married if you do not plan on having kids. This is, of course, complete rubbish. I married my wife because I loved her and children had nothing to with that.
If I were to ever want kids I would adopt, as I think that would be helping society (and the kid) much more than having my own ever would.
KT
For some reason there appears to be an unwritten rule that marriage = kids and many people even go so far as to say you should not even bother getting married if you do not plan on having kids. This is, of course, complete rubbish. I married my wife because I loved her and children had nothing to with that.
If I were to ever want kids I would adopt, as I think that would be helping society (and the kid) much more than having my own ever would.
KT
GTaudiophile
Lifer
- Oct 24, 2000
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Wow! What a personal question. I think I would bitch-slapped her.
I personally am a fence rider on the whole children thing. So is my GF of 3 years.
Sometimes I think that raising a kid would be the most fun thing in the world. And my genes would continue; I would live after death as it were.
But then I ask myself, would bringing kids into the world be the responsible thing to do considering the greater shit hole it is becoming? Could I honestly afford a child or children and give them the life I think it (they) would deserve. Can I maintain my standard of living with children? Would life be more fun without out them? Would not having children be my biggest regret on my deathbed?
These are all questions I ask. But they are personal questions. Between me, my GF, my God, and yes, sometimes my parents too.
Otherwise it is no one's business!
I personally am a fence rider on the whole children thing. So is my GF of 3 years.
Sometimes I think that raising a kid would be the most fun thing in the world. And my genes would continue; I would live after death as it were.
But then I ask myself, would bringing kids into the world be the responsible thing to do considering the greater shit hole it is becoming? Could I honestly afford a child or children and give them the life I think it (they) would deserve. Can I maintain my standard of living with children? Would life be more fun without out them? Would not having children be my biggest regret on my deathbed?
These are all questions I ask. But they are personal questions. Between me, my GF, my God, and yes, sometimes my parents too.
Otherwise it is no one's business!
theeedude
Lifer
- Feb 5, 2006
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If you don't want to have children, I don't see why it's a problem. While some people think it's the purpose of life to have children, I don't buy it. Children are simply an outcome of people doing fulfilling their urge for procreation or companionship of children. But if you don't need to fulfill that urge to be happy, more power to you. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. How much of the future gene pool contains your genes has absolutely no meaning to your own life, unless you choose to give it meaning. The second I die, everything after that does not matter to me, aside from caring for various people close to me, but that is a feeling I have now, but after I am dead it won't matter either. Whether future people have genes that are similar to mine does not concern me in the slightest. If I do have kids it would be because I want their company and/or the experience of raising them.
Wow I seriously hope somebody like you comes up to me on the street one day and tells me I am "murdering everyone that has ever come before me" because I choose to not reproduce.
I will add you to the category of "bible thumper who tells me I am going to hell because I don't believe what they do"...
BoomerD
No Lifer
- Feb 26, 2006
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It sounds like you're referring to ancestors...Fuck em...they're already dead...how can you murder a dead person?
Besides, what right do the dead have to impact our decisions today?
What right do the dead have to live on through us?
They're D-E-A-D!
MikeyLSU
Platinum Member
- Dec 21, 2005
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because it is engrained in our blood to reproduce, just like any other living creature. So by choosing to not pass on your genes, it is considered odd. Nothing more nothing less.
Basically, if everyone thought like you, humanity would end in the next 100 years. So it is considered odd behavior...you will just have to get used to it.
Basically, if everyone thought like you, humanity would end in the next 100 years. So it is considered odd behavior...you will just have to get used to it.
I don't care if people don't want to have kids, but if you're going to have kids and remain in a relationship with the other parent, I don't get this not getting married stuff. It's a huge pet-peeve of mine. To me, it's just rebelling for the sake of rebelling, which is childish. Getting married gives you legal rights and benefits which you do not have when you are not married. For example, I work for a gov't agency which awards $$ in certain situations to widows. I frequently see pleas from long-time live-in girlfriends who want a piece of Joe Blow's pension now that he's dead and she's got no meal ticket. She'll frequent whine "We were together for 10 years! I'm just like his wife!" No, honey, his wife would've gotten his money. You just get our standard denial form letter. Or "Marriage is just a piece of paper!" Yes, it is - a piece of paper that would've been good for a ~$1000/month for life. Instead, you get our lovely parting gift - another piece of paper saying you're screwed.
Moral of this story is, if you're going to be with someone long-term, and ESPECIALLY if you're going to have kids, get married! It's only looking out for yourself.
I'll gladly have 20 kids, as long as you promise to raise them and pay all of their expenses, including college. Only the best for ma boys.
JulesMaximus
No Lifer
- Jul 3, 2003
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God, I am so glad I don't live in Michigan...bunch of damned busy bodies. My Mom is from Grand Rapids so I've spent a fair amount of time in this shit hole of a state.
Tell these people to fuck off, it's none of their damned business.
rh71
No Lifer
- Aug 28, 2001
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so many people have problems trying to get pregnant... my preggo wife tells me stories of her coworkers and just today, her hygenist, blabbing to her that they are unable to have kids after trying for a year. I guess it's just a huge deal to hear of someone not trying given that they can I suppose.
fixed
(sterility rate is 3% in the US, if you round up)
http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/...lity/stats-country.htm
sandorski
No Lifer
- Oct 10, 1999
- 70,803
- 6,360
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Just tell them that on Friday night when you get home from work your wife meets you at the door. You rip each others clothes off and proceed to spend the weekend having sex everywhere in the house. The two off you feel that's not the environment to raise children in. You could also touch their arm while telling them, as if you're about to invite them to come over for the weekend.
I want stupid people to have less children and smart people to have more children. Too bad the reverse tends to occur.
waffleironhead
Diamond Member
- Aug 10, 2005
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My wife and I do not plan on having kids and I get the same questions from people. I got tired of answering the question seriously so now I just say" It was court ordered." Then they look uncomfortable and then I laugh and walk away.
rh71
No Lifer
- Aug 28, 2001
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EDIT> Last night at dinner we were talking about twins (cause we're having twins). Our friend there had twins (naturally also) and she mentioned she had 2 coworkers had twins... but both by in-vitro. Sonogram technician also mentioned a lot more twins these days, because of in-vitro. Why spend money to increase chances of births unless you have problems? And we keep hearing about this stuff.
If it's really 3% then it's either a really old figure or 3% is still too large.
MmmSkyscraper
Diamond Member
- Jul 6, 2004
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