War on Christianity

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: eigen

Pretty much. Around 10th grade I started asking questions that I just couldnt get satisfactory answers too.(at least from the christia perspective)

You didn't ask the one about God and the burrito, did you?

No they were mainly the ones about why god allows evil and so forth.

Try this one: "If committing your heart and soul to Christ is the only way to get into heaven, and there was this little boy in a foreign contry who had never been taught about Jesus, but nevertheless, was a very kind and Christ-like individual who eventually dies by sacrificing his life to save a bus load of missionaries on the way to preach the gospel, would that boy be denied from heaven because he didn't get baptised and name Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior?"

And the preacher answers "Yes, the boy will burn for eternity in the fires of hell if he does not know Jesus."

True story. Took me a long while to realize that that guy was not indicative of the ENTIRE religion, fortunately.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Todd33
I know all about it and I still diss it.

thats because you are a far far left liberal.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Being a Christian myself, I'm totally disgusted at how people view our religion. Sure, there are extreme fundamentalists but I assure you that not every Christian like that. I find it very offensive that members on this board kept dissing Christianity when they don't even know what it's all about.

Did you get served?

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
I will cheerfully diss Christianity, and every other religion, and continue to do so ad infinitum.

That is like me saying that you'll go to hell when you die.

People get pretty uptight when evangelical christians preach. How exactly is that "shoving religion down your throat"? They have the right to say what they want and you have the right to ignore them. Who cares? Now, things like "Under God" WOULD be considered shoving christianity down kids' throats, and that I don't agree with. Likewise, abortion would be another "shoving religion down some womens' throats". You tell them abortion is wrong, and they're given a choice. Whether the woman decides to keep the kid or have an abortion would be her choice. Government and religion should never be involved in that. I thought Republicans were for a smaller government? Gay marriage is a non-existent issue, it should never have been brought up. We're wasting way too much resources and time to discuss homosexuality it's sickening. Let them do what they do, but leave marriage alone.

Religion plays too much of a role in this country's politics.

 

[dannybin1742]

In the new testament it says we will know Christians by their love, by the fruit they bear. Because of this, I am skeptical that Bush is really a man of faith at all. I think he has simply found a way to exploit the religiosity of others.

amen, i knew someone would finally touch on this

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: dannybin1742

In the new testament it says we will know Christians by their love, by the fruit they bear. Because of this, I am skeptical that Bush is really a man of faith at all. I think he has simply found a way to exploit the religiosity of others.

amen, i knew someone would finally touch on this

Word.

Another thing I find problematic with Bush and those like him is the love your enemy / turn the other cheek thing. I remember when there was that special on how he responded to 9/11, the first thing he said to Cheney is, "someone's gonna' pay for this" or something to that nature. Not only was that immature, it was unchristian.

I don't understand why more protestants, who are supposed to read the actual bible a lot, don't see this. Also, are there any preachers that actually make this argument? It would be nice to hear a religious voice that wasn't in league with warmongers and their ilk.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: dannybin1742

In the new testament it says we will know Christians by their love, by the fruit they bear. Because of this, I am skeptical that Bush is really a man of faith at all. I think he has simply found a way to exploit the religiosity of others.

amen, i knew someone would finally touch on this

Word.

Another thing I find problematic with Bush and those like him is the love your enemy / turn the other cheek thing. I remember when there was that special on how he responded to 9/11, the first thing he said to Cheney is, "someone's gonna' pay for this" or something to that nature. Not only was that immature, it was unchristian.

I don't understand why more protestants, who are supposed to read the actual bible a lot, don't see this. Also, are there any preachers that actually make this argument? It would be nice to hear a religious voice that wasn't in league with warmongers and their ilk.

:|

Whats going to happen when an atheist gets elected? Will the left wing atheists of the country see that presidents compassion, or anything else typically called Christian behavior as being un-atheist? :roll:

 

[imported_hscorpio]

I have a question for those of you who were raised christian but started asking questions and thinking for yourself too much. Do you think it is better to just leave the religion and say your atheist/agnostic or would it be better to stay in the religion and try to change things.

I mean try to bring a voice of moderation contrary to the fundamentalists and lead by example or would that be wrong? I bring this up because it seems some people just need religion for whatever reason and you can't convince them otherwise. I mean say you wanted to advance the issue of separation of church/state couldn't you do more good by being a christian and telling other christians why seperation is important. If you try to talk as a nonbeliever then christians tend to go into defensive mode and not listen at all, then turn to the fundamentalists for answers. I guess this would be intellectually dishonest but maybe it depends on the individual.

 

[zzzz]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Being a Christian myself, I'm totally disgusted at how people view our religion. Sure, there are extreme fundamentalists but I assure you that not every Christian like that. I find it very offensive that members on this board kept dissing Christianity when they don't even know what it's all about.

Did you get served?

yep, and he served back.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
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Whats going to happen when an atheist gets elected? Will the left wing atheists of the country see that presidents compassion, or anything else typically called Christian behavior as being un-atheist? :roll:

Sorry to burst your bubble but compassion and atheism aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Isla]

Originally posted by: hscorpio
I have a question for those of you who were raised christian but started asking questions and thinking for yourself too much. Do you think it is better to just leave the religion and say your atheist/agnostic or would it be better to stay in the religion and try to change things.

I mean try to bring a voice of moderation contrary to the fundamentalists and lead by example or would that be wrong? I bring this up because it seems some people just need religion for whatever reason and you can't convince them otherwise. I mean say you wanted to advance the issue of separation of church/state couldn't you do more good by being a christian and telling other christians why seperation is important. If you try to talk as a nonbeliever then christians tend to go into defensive mode and not listen at all, then turn to the fundamentalists for answers. I guess this would be intellectually dishonest but maybe it depends on the individual.

 

[Isla]

Originally posted by: hscorpio
I have a question for those of you who were raised christian but started asking questions and thinking for yourself too much. Do you think it is better to just leave the religion and say your atheist/agnostic or would it be better to stay in the religion and try to change things.

I mean try to bring a voice of moderation contrary to the fundamentalists and lead by example or would that be wrong? I bring this up because it seems some people just need religion for whatever reason and you can't convince them otherwise. I mean say you wanted to advance the issue of separation of church/state couldn't you do more good by being a christian and telling other christians why seperation is important. If you try to talk as a nonbeliever then christians tend to go into defensive mode and not listen at all, then turn to the fundamentalists for answers. I guess this would be intellectually dishonest but maybe it depends on the individual.

(what is with these weird dps?)

I think a LOT of people try to do that. The thing that makes it mostly useless is that what the problem is has to do with social behavior... it's a mob thang. People need to feel certain things, like superiority, security, etc. They often find this in groups. That's why you find fundamentalists of all religions to be so obnoxious.

Anyone (or group) who is convinced of their own rightness (and resulting superiority) is basically deluded out of fear and a need to feel safe. It's a lot like an addiction. It takes a lot of courage to get past that.... and you'd have to leave the 'flock' to do so.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Isla??
edit- ok now i see your post, that was strange it was 2 blank dp's.

 

[IndieSnob]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Todd33
I know all about it and I still diss it.

thats because you are a far far left liberal.

I'm really suprised you're not an elite member by now with all of the great things you add to a discussion.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: dannybin1742

In the new testament it says we will know Christians by their love, by the fruit they bear. Because of this, I am skeptical that Bush is really a man of faith at all. I think he has simply found a way to exploit the religiosity of others.

amen, i knew someone would finally touch on this

Word.

Another thing I find problematic with Bush and those like him is the love your enemy / turn the other cheek thing. I remember when there was that special on how he responded to 9/11, the first thing he said to Cheney is, "someone's gonna' pay for this" or something to that nature. Not only was that immature, it was unchristian.

I don't understand why more protestants, who are supposed to read the actual bible a lot, don't see this. Also, are there any preachers that actually make this argument? It would be nice to hear a religious voice that wasn't in league with warmongers and their ilk.

:|

Whats going to happen when an atheist gets elected? Will the left wing atheists of the country see that presidents compassion, or anything else typically called Christian behavior as being un-atheist? :roll:

What ever made you think that atheist were all left wing ? I know some pretty hardcore right wing voting atheist conservatives who hate the fact that the GOP has been hi-jacked by radical born-again Christians so that they can fund their social Christian agenda through government. I also agree with InforHawk on the whole compassion thing not being a Christian monopoly as well.

P.S. Where is the compassion in telling someone that they are going to hell no matter how good they are just because they don't practice the same religion as you ?

 

[ReiAyanami]

Falwell represents mainstream Christianity as much as Osama represents mainstream Islam as much as the Columbine killers represent Atheism

teh humans = evil

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: hscorpio
I have a question for those of you who were raised christian but started asking questions and thinking for yourself too much. Do you think it is better to just leave the religion and say your atheist/agnostic or would it be better to stay in the religion and try to change things.

I mean try to bring a voice of moderation contrary to the fundamentalists and lead by example or would that be wrong? I bring this up because it seems some people just need religion for whatever reason and you can't convince them otherwise. I mean say you wanted to advance the issue of separation of church/state couldn't you do more good by being a christian and telling other christians why seperation is important. If you try to talk as a nonbeliever then christians tend to go into defensive mode and not listen at all, then turn to the fundamentalists for answers. I guess this would be intellectually dishonest but maybe it depends on the individual.

(what is with these weird dps?)

I think a LOT of people try to do that. The thing that makes it mostly useless is that what the problem is has to do with social behavior... it's a mob thang. People need to feel certain things, like superiority, security, etc. They often find this in groups. That's why you find fundamentalists of all religions to be so obnoxious.

Anyone (or group) who is convinced of their own rightness (and resulting superiority) is basically deluded out of fear and a need to feel safe. It's a lot like an addiction. It takes a lot of courage to get past that.... and you'd have to leave the 'flock' to do so.

Right on, that's why I don't go to church anymore.

 

[IndieSnob]

I myself am a beleiver, but am one of those ones that sometimes struggles whether the belief is based in reality or not. That being said I don't see how we as a nation can legislate or rule based upon any form of religion what so ever. I don't mind if the president, congress member, etc. has faith, but don't agree with 'god' telling them how to do their job.

 

[Klixxer]

I hate religion of all kinds, i watched it do things to humans who used to be neighbours in eastern europe.

Religion isn't meant to be what humans use it for. The fundamentalists of all religions take religion and make their own cause out of it.

I hate them all equally.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Another thing I find problematic with Bush and those like him is the love your enemy / turn the other cheek thing. I remember when there was that special on how he responded to 9/11, the first thing he said to Cheney is, "someone's gonna' pay for this" or something to that nature. Not only was that immature, it was unchristian.

I don't understand why more protestants, who are supposed to read the actual bible a lot, don't see this. Also, are there any preachers that actually make this argument? It would be nice to hear a religious voice that wasn't in league with warmongers and their ilk.

What did you say? "Oh, al Qaeda finally pulled off the big one? Good for them!"?

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: IndieSnob
I myself am a beleiver, but am one of those ones that sometimes struggles whether the belief is based in reality or not. That being said I don't see how we as a nation can legislate or rule based upon any form of religion what so ever. I don't mind if the president, congress member, etc. has faith, but don't agree with 'god' telling them how to do their job.

You know whats funny is that the kings and queens of Europe used that old line in the past about God speaking through them and giving them the power to rule over the people. Yet we all know that is not something we want to go back to at all.

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Being a Christian myself, I'm totally disgusted at how people view our religion. Sure, there are extreme fundamentalists but I assure you that not every Christian like that. I find it very offensive that members on this board kept dissing Christianity when they don't even know what it's all about.

I know what it's all about; it's most christians I've encountered who don't.

 

[IndieSnob]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: IndieSnob
I myself am a beleiver, but am one of those ones that sometimes struggles whether the belief is based in reality or not. That being said I don't see how we as a nation can legislate or rule based upon any form of religion what so ever. I don't mind if the president, congress member, etc. has faith, but don't agree with 'god' telling them how to do their job.

You know whats funny is that the Kings and Queens of Europe used that old line in the past about God speaking through them and giving them the power to rule over the people. Yet we all know that is not something we want to go back to at all.

Agreed. Another thing is they beleive atheists/agnostics/etc. would go on a killing and raping spree if we didn't have the 10 commandments. They don't realise that you don't have to have god to have good human morales. Again they fear anyone that isn't brainwashed because it makes them question their own beliefs.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: hscorpio
I have a question for those of you who were raised christian but started asking questions and thinking for yourself too much. Do you think it is better to just leave the religion and say your atheist/agnostic or would it be better to stay in the religion and try to change things.

I mean try to bring a voice of moderation contrary to the fundamentalists and lead by example or would that be wrong? I bring this up because it seems some people just need religion for whatever reason and you can't convince them otherwise. I mean say you wanted to advance the issue of separation of church/state couldn't you do more good by being a christian and telling other christians why seperation is important. If you try to talk as a nonbeliever then christians tend to go into defensive mode and not listen at all, then turn to the fundamentalists for answers. I guess this would be intellectually dishonest but maybe it depends on the individual.

(what is with these weird dps?)

I think a LOT of people try to do that. The thing that makes it mostly useless is that what the problem is has to do with social behavior... it's a mob thang. People need to feel certain things, like superiority, security, etc. They often find this in groups. That's why you find fundamentalists of all religions to be so obnoxious.

Anyone (or group) who is convinced of their own rightness (and resulting superiority) is basically deluded out of fear and a need to feel safe. It's a lot like an addiction. It takes a lot of courage to get past that.... and you'd have to leave the 'flock' to do so.

Right on, that's why I don't go to church anymore.

I just worry that all the people who reject the mob mentality and leave the church are leaving themselves voiceless. I'm sure we have all had debates with very religious people and most of the time it is a waste of breath and time. As soon as they know or suspect you are a nonbeliever its like they block all rational thoughts and just regurgitate whatever they have been told by religion.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
You know whats funny is that the kings and queens of Europe used that old line in the past about God speaking through them and giving them the power to rule over the people. Yet we all know that is not something we want to go back to at all.

I'd rather not take part in slippery slope fallacies like yours, either.