War on Christianity

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I have a great sense of humor. I laugh at things that are actually funny..unlike your post.

As whacked out as most of your posts are it's hard to tell whether you are being serious or facetious even with the emoticons.


Edit: Forgive me, I was confusing you with Lord MagnusKain.

Just for future reference, is not really a serious face. It's usually indicative of a joke.

Well I never let an emoticon get in the way of being indignant, why should I start now?

 

[TheMagnificentCheese]

It's just like the Allegory of the Cave in Plato's Republic.

If you present the truth to a group of people who believe something completely different, you are to expect an angry and sometimes violent reaction.

In the same way, the practicioners of peace and tolerance on the left continue to wage a war against the religous valus upon which this nation was founded upon. It is an idea which threatens their sovereignity over their own lives and their own destinies and this causes them to be fearful and react with anti-Christian propaganda.

Now I am not without a sense of humor. My favorite television show of all time is South Park on Comedy Central, and they unload on Christianity quite a bit and I laugh my head off. I don't mind humor about Christianity when it points out the seeming inconsistencies and strange traditional practices, but when there is a government organization called the ACLU who wants nothing more than to stomp out Christianity, the religion that holds the values that our nation was built upon, well that is cause for alarm. We are a predominantly Christian country and we have flourished.

If it isn't broken, why fix it?

 

[plastick]

Originally posted by: TheMagnificentCheese
Now I am not without a sense of humor. My favorite television show of all time is South Park on Comedy Central, and they unload on Christianity quite a bit and I laugh my head off. I don't mind humor about Christianity when it points out the seeming inconsistencies and strange traditional practices, but when there is a government organization called the ACLU who wants nothing more than to stomp out Christianity, the religion that holds the values that our nation was built upon, well that is cause for alarm. We are a predominantly Christian country and we have flourished.

What kind of stinks is that a lot of people misunderstand a lot of things, for instance, some of us Christians about our own beliefs.. And a lot of us do do a lot of things that seem weird; the "seeming inconsistencies and strange traditional practices".. and in many cases this is true especially if a Christians heart isnt in the equal with what they are "all about". Then you get people making fun of those misunderstandings and it becomes a big 'ol misunderstanding mess.. While the rest of us who actually do understand and can see whats right have to sit there and watch the madness happen. *shrugs* No big deal though... we are human.. Its up to those who do understand and can help to LOVINGLY help and encourage the less of us who cant quite get it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: plastick
Its up to those who do understand and can help to LOVINGLY help and encourage the less of us who cant quite get it.

Why are you so adamant about bringing us down to your level?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: TheMagnificentCheese
It's just like the Allegory of the Cave in Plato's Republic.

If you present the truth to a group of people who believe something completely different, you are to expect an angry and sometimes violent reaction.

In the same way, the practicioners of peace and tolerance on the left continue to wage a war against the religous valus upon which this nation was founded upon. It is an idea which threatens their sovereignity over their own lives and their own destinies and this causes them to be fearful and react with anti-Christian propaganda.

Now I am not without a sense of humor. My favorite television show of all time is South Park on Comedy Central, and they unload on Christianity quite a bit and I laugh my head off. I don't mind humor about Christianity when it points out the seeming inconsistencies and strange traditional practices, but when there is a government organization called the ACLU who wants nothing more than to stomp out Christianity, the religion that holds the values that our nation was built upon, well that is cause for alarm. We are a predominantly Christian country and we have flourished.

If it isn't broken, why fix it?

Ahem. "Seeming inconstincies"?

This country hasn't flourished because it's predominately Christian. It flourished because of enlightenment values.

"If you present the truth"
What truth is that? :roll:

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

All I was saying is that the Declaration clearly states that the rights we have are given by the 'Creator,' not man. What exactly would Platonists think this meant? I'm not sure I follow.

As someone said above, if anything was to be taken from the statement of natural rights, it's "that the government cannot give rights that would supercede the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, nor can it abridge these rights." The term that these rights are given by a Creator is not an endorsement of Christianity. It's a generalization that we are BORN with these natural rights. Even if we prove that there is no God, those rights will not be taken away from us.

"Man [is] a rational animal, endowed by nature with rights." --Thomas Jefferson to W. Johnson, 1823.
"Under the law of nature, all men are born free." --Thomas Jefferson: Legal Argument, 1770.

 

[TheMagnificentCheese]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
"If you present the truth"
What truth is that? :roll:

Pardon me, I didn't mean to suggest that there is any universal truth. I know that that is threatening to the ever changing and downward spiraling values and principles of secularists.

"Seeming inconsistencies" might have been the wrong way to put it. How about "Frequent inconsistencies?"

 

[plastick]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: plastick
Its up to those who do understand and can help to LOVINGLY help and encourage the less of us who cant quite get it.

Why are you so adamant about bringing us down to your level?

Thats not what I meant.. I meant anyone who does know what is wrong or right, christian or not, in even the littlest of things, should do what they can to fix the wrongs, at their roots, created by those who dont know anybetter... to put it more simple, the mature should maturely help the immature so we can have more mature people...which would be better for the world.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: plastick

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: plastick
Its up to those who do understand and can help to LOVINGLY help and encourage the less of us who cant quite get it.

Why are you so adamant about bringing us down to your level?

Thats not what I meant.. I meant anyone who does know what is wrong or right, christian or not, in even the littlest of things, should do what they can to fix the wrongs, at their roots, created by those who dont know anybetter... to put it more simple, the mature should maturely help the immature so we can have more mature people...which would be better for the world.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: cquark
How can you say printing billions of religious slogans on items that everyone has to use in their daily lives isn't promoting religion?

Taking God off the money isn't asking that people drop all mention of God; it's asking that the government stop promoting the Abrahamic religions that use that term.

It's not promoting a religion. It could be construed as promoting religion in general, which is not spoken against in the constitution or elsewhere.

While "In God we trust" may be promoting more that one religion, it's not promoting religion in general. There are religions which aren't focused on worshipping a deity (Buddhism) and religions which are focused on worshipping multiple deities, and many that simply don't fit well into the monotheistic category. You'd need slogans like "In Zeus, Hera, Apollo, .. we Trust" or "In Buddha we Trust" to deal with some of these religions and many don't fit simple slogans well at all.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: jaydee

Seriously dude, back off. Isla is one of the most respected people here, so you're only shooting yourself in the foot.

The "apparent anti christian/catholic senitment either in the media or society" != persecution and that's what was trying to be said here. Is there a bent against Christians in America today? Ya, I feel that way sometimes. Do I feel persecuted? Not even remotely. If you let every single thing said against every institution you happen to be a part of in a country blessed with the freedom of speech, you're going to be in for some tough living.

Respected by whom? most certainly not myself...although I commend you for attempting to get me to "back off" I will ignore the request as in no way was I making a personal attack however I am open to say I am not overly fond of the poster in question. With that said....

I don't feel persecuted either when talking about an individual basis but I could fathom how those who are deeply religious would and it is more than apparant to me that there is currently a good degree of anti christian sentiment in both media and elsewhere, something which is not seen with other religions, to deny this "FACT" is either being stubborn, blind or just plain ignorant.

EDIT: now I see what you were referring to re. the poster in question, my mention of the not so elite status...again my own personal opinion, if you have a problem with it then too bad.

 

[alchemize]

I think I said this another time in a similar thread.


Neither the most devout and pious religious man, nor the most intellectual aethist, will know who was right until the day of their passing.

I'll also add - it will really suck for either one of them to be wrong

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Neither the most devout and pious religious man, nor the most intellectual atheist, will know who was right until the day of their passing.

I'll also add - it will really suck for either one of them to be wrong

being pious and loving the lord isn't a bad life at all, no matter how things end.

 

[GMElias]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Being a Christian myself, I'm totally disgusted at how people view our religion. Sure, there are extreme fundamentalists but I assure you that not every Christian like that. I find it very offensive that members on this board kept dissing Christianity when they don't even know what it's all about.

Maybe you and those like you should speak out against the Fund A Mental Cases who are giving your religion a bad rep.

[B}BTW, I don't have a problem with Christians/Jews/Muslims etc who are not trying to force ther views on me and the Government.[/b]

I agree....I am Jewish, and I take pride, but I never PUSH my religion on anyone else. I also see other ideas as valid. Unfortunately, most, and I mean most, of the christians that I know that are practicing, don't really do what is commanded...AND they always try to say why they are right without giving you the opportunity to have your own opinion. I HATE those who evangelize (ie Jehovah's witnesses)...Christ was humble, so if you would like to follow in his footsteps, try to be considerate of others and be humble yourself. yes, we are supposed to "spread the word of G-d" but we shouldn't "force" it (ie Crusades,etc.)!

-Elias