Walmart to stop selling Confederate flag merchandise

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A campaign of hatred against the South.

As Retailers Move to Halt Confederate Sales, Some Buyers Stock Up...

NEXT: Will military bases named for confederate generals be renamed?

McConnell: Take down statue of Jefferson Davis...

Hope we don't start renaming things. Bases, cities, streets, parks, etc. At least the poll right now shows 80% say no. I don't know anything about the stripes website, so I assume it is honest.

 

[HomerJS]

OR, a nation finally opening their collective eyes and realizing they need to stop idolizing traitorous, treasonous 'heroes'. Suck it up buttercup, it's the future.

+5

 

[Londo_Jowo]

How many things do we name after Benedict Arnold?

None, he defected to the enemy during a war. These generals served the US during wars prior to the Civil War.

 

[Jaskalas]

Military bases should never have been named for confederate generals in the first place. It is grossly disrespectful to our nation. We might as well name police stations after famous mobsters.

Those generals were Americans. The South is part of America. You're just too busy hating your fellow Americans to see the point, that reconstruction and reconciliation was made. You want to turn back the clock?

Today this hatred wishes to rip apart the very Union Lincoln killed all those Americans to preserve. Maybe Rush Limbaugh is correct:

I just said it's not gonna stop with the Confederate flag because it's not about the Confederate flag. It is about destroying the South as a political force. It's about isolating, targeting, and identifying the South as Dylann Roof. Not Charleston, South Carolina, the South. That's what the leftists' effort on the Confederate flag are. Do not doubt me, folks.

And I'll make another prediction to you. The next flag that will come under assault, and it will not be long, is the American flag. Do not look at me that way. It makes perfect sense. If you take a look at the timeline of progressive events, their speed and rapidity with which the left is conducting this assault on all of these American traditions and institutions, if you don't think the American flag's in their crosshairs down the road, you had better stop and reconsider.

The American flag is what? It's the symbol of America. The left what? Doesn't like this country very much and never has and it's getting angrier and angrier about it seemingly every day. The American flag stands for the United States of America and, as such, everything that's wrong with it. And you wait. It isn't gonna be long before the American flag is gonna cause chills, fear, scary thoughts, it's gonna make me nervous, the American flag, when I see the American flag, it's a symbol of hate.

 

[fskimospy]

Those generals were Americans. The South is part of America. You're just too busy hating your fellow Americans to see the point, that reconstruction and reconciliation was made. You want to turn back the clock?

Today this hatred wishes to rip apart the very Union Lincoln killed all those Americans to preserve. Maybe Rush Limbaugh is correct:

When you find yourself in a position so extreme that you think Rush Limbaugh may be right shouldn't that be a cause to reconsider your own opinion?

Look how seamlessly he transitions from the left hating racism to the left hating the south to the left hating America. It's even more ironic that you've been duped by him so badly that you're taking his hateful and divisive rhetoric in a stand AGAINST division.

He's playing you like a fiddle and you're too caught up in a persecution complex to notice.

 

[SlickSnake]

Bogus number of 100 million is meaningless and can't be verified, ever. My guess based on early military and settlers accounts around the mid A.D. 1500s, is in current USA territories there were probably no more than 30 million Native Americans here to start with, if that. Now, if you want to add in all the native Canadians, Mexicans, and South Americans who were killed or died from diseases brought from Europe, you might be close to reaching 50 million, but even then, I think that's a stretch.

Historian David Henige has argued that many population figures are the result of arbitrary formulas selectively applied to numbers from unreliable historical sources. He believes this is a weakness unrecognized by several contributors to the field, and insists there is not sufficient evidence to produce population numbers that have any real meaning. He characterizes the modern trend of high estimates as "pseudo-scientific number-crunching." Henige does not advocate a low population estimate, but argues that the scanty and unreliable nature of the evidence renders broad estimates inevitably suspect, saying "high counters" (as he calls them) have been particularly flagrant in their misuse of sources.[12] Many population studies acknowledge the inherent difficulties in producing reliable statistics, given the scarcity of hard data.

The population debate has often had ideological underpinnings.[13] Low estimates were sometimes reflective of European notions of cultural and racial superiority. Historian Francis Jennings argued, "Scholarly wisdom long held that Indians were so inferior in mind and works that they could not possibly have created or sustained large populations."[14] On the other hand, some[who?] have claimed that contemporary estimates of a high pre-Columbian indigenous population are rooted in a bias against Western civilization and/or Christianity.


The indigenous population of the Americas in 1492 was not necessarily at a high point and may actually have been in decline in some areas. Indigenous populations in most areas of the Americas reached a low point by the early 20th century. In most cases, populations have since begun to climb.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

 

[IronWing]

Those generals were Americans. The South is part of America. You're just too busy hating your fellow Americans to see the point, that reconstruction and reconciliation was made. You want to turn back the clock?

Today this hatred wishes to rip apart the very Union Lincoln killed all those Americans to preserve. Maybe Rush Limbaugh is correct:

Those generals were traitors who took up arms against their country and murdered their fellow countrymen in order to preserve a perverse system of institutional cruelty. Reconstruction was never finished; Johnson and Grant stopped the process in its tracks. Where was the spirit of reconciliation when southern states chose to fly the battle flag in official response to desegregation? I don't give a flip what people choose to hold dear in their personal affairs but it an abomination for government to honor confederate generals.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Well Bill Kristol has chosen his side:

The Left's 21st century agenda: expunging every trace of respect, recognition or acknowledgment of Americans who fought for the Confederacy.

— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) June 23, 2015

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/613419998262992896

I wonder if the rest of Fox News is going to frame this as a war on southern culture. They bring us the war on Christmas every year, so I'm leaning towards yes.

Edit: OK, just saw the Rush transcript, I guess the war on southern culture is officially a thing now. Yay.

 

[nageov3t]

expunging every trace of respect... of Americans who fought for the Confederacy slavery

I see no problem with this.

 

[blankslate]

It's the racists asshats appropriating the flag on their websites and spouting stupid shit then the one guy going on a shooting rampage after posing with it on his online posts that the "historical preservation" arm of the republican party should be angry about....


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There is tons of confederate flag crap available on Ebay right now, it's just more consistent with the rules MomentsofSanity put above.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...ia.TRS0&_nkw=confederate+memorabilia&_sacat=0

What right wing blog did you get this idea from?

I read it on CNN for what it's worth. The article may have been updated by now. I also heard the radio station questioning Ebay this morning and wondering how for they were going with this. They were fine with Walmart and others though. It was just what Ebay said or what traveled along the news wires that worried them. So, their original source may have been to vague or changed later.

Anyway from amazon's webpage "Confederate battle flag and related items with its image" under "Racially or ethnically offensive language, historical items, reproductions, and works of art and media" are now not allowed. I assume books and movies that ebay doesn't find offensive are free to have the rebel flag on it assuming "related items" means offensive items. But, if the rebel flag is offensive in and of itself then they would be allowed under the restricted section. Toys and games seem fine as they are not language, historical items, reproductions, or works of art and media. Wonder what a reproduction of the General Lee car would fall under, restricted falling under the art section? I think they should define related items more. Related to being offensive or CSA.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/offensive.html?afsrc=1&rmvSB=true

 

[Brainonska511]

It's the racists asshats appropriating the flag on their websites and spouting stupid shit then the one guy going on a shooting rampage after posing with it on his online posts that the "historical preservation" arm of the republican party should be angry about....


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The racists are appropriating the flag of racists.... and that's the problem..... right....

 

[SlickSnake]

Oh, and I think this flag issue is going to be unfairly pinned or tied to another issue once the Supreme Court issues its ruling in a landmark case coming up. And you heard it here first. Whatever it was.

 

[trenchfoot]

Wouldn't it be really cool to have every racist of every ethnicity in the USA gather up in one place and have themselves a fragfest to see who among them are the most powerful and respected racists of all?

OK, well, scratch that..... I forgot that some of our prisons already serve that purpose.

 

[HomerJS]

It's the racists asshats appropriating the flag on their websites and spouting stupid shit then the one guy going on a shooting rampage after posing with it on his online posts that the "historical preservation" arm of the republican party should be angry about....


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Did you know the guy who invented the flag nicknamed it "the white mans flag"

 

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So many Lulz in this post. How does this forum attract so many people that have so little self awareness.

FYI, cracker does not have the same historical context as calling someone a Ni**er.

How is what you highlighted funny? The first one was a little funny to try and lighten the mode around here, but the others not so much. I never claimed cracker and that word had the same historical context. It was just to represent how I would handle being called something offensive. You are free to substitute another word with the same historical context if you wish.

I find it funny that I have been called names, had my honesty questioned, implied to have little self awareness, etc. by people on this forum while never calling anyone on this forum anything. I have even said several times I see why people have a problem with the flag and want it down and expressed my firm disapproval of racism. Maybe I should stick to the technical sub forums. Less opinions there if you stay away from Nvidia, AMD, Intel, Mac, Windows, IOS, Android, wait maybe not. LOL.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Today this hatred wishes to rip apart the very Union Lincoln killed all those Americans to preserve. Maybe Rush Limbaugh is correct:

I just said it's not gonna stop with the Confederate flag because it's not about the Confederate flag. It is about destroying the South as a political force. It's about isolating, targeting, and identifying the South as Dylann Roof. Not Charleston, South Carolina, the South. That's what the leftists' effort on the Confederate flag are. Do not doubt me, folks.

And I'll make another prediction to you. The next flag that will come under assault, and it will not be long, is the American flag. Do not look at me that way. It makes perfect sense. If you take a look at the timeline of progressive events, their speed and rapidity with which the left is conducting this assault on all of these American traditions and institutions, if you don't think the American flag's in their crosshairs down the road, you had better stop and reconsider.

The American flag is what? It's the symbol of America. The left what? Doesn't like this country very much and never has and it's getting angrier and angrier about it seemingly every day. The American flag stands for the United States of America and, as such, everything that's wrong with it. And you wait. It isn't gonna be long before the American flag is gonna cause chills, fear, scary thoughts, it's gonna make me nervous, the American flag, when I see the American flag, it's a symbol of hate.

Invoking the American flag in defense of the flag of a treasonous faction who seceded from the United States and specifically rejected the American flag goes beyond irony and into mind-boggling stupidity. Rush's argument is literally, "you don't like the Confederacy? WELL THEN YOU ALSO HATE AMERICA." And that's fucking idiotic. You can't possibly agree with that; you're not that stupid.

I admit, I do get tickled by all the people who cheerfully fly Confederate battle flags and then talk about how Obama is a traitor who is destroying the country. If you care so much about not supporting traitors, maybe you shouldn't adorn yourself with their flag. Just a thought.

 

[Theb]

Those generals were Americans. The South is part of America. You're just too busy hating your fellow Americans to see the point, that reconstruction and reconciliation was made. You want to turn back the clock?

Today this hatred wishes to rip apart the very Union Lincoln killed all those Americans to preserve. Maybe Rush Limbaugh is correct:

Rush Limbaugh is correct, the American flag is going to be taken away and replaced by a picture of two gay guys smoking pot.

 

[blankslate]

The racists are appropriating the flag of racists.... and that's the problem..... right....

Did you know the guy who invented the flag nicknamed it "the white mans flag"

The point is "historical significance" goes out the window when it's being used as a symbol by racists... republicans in the and their elected representatives need to drop the argument.

As far as Wal-Mart goes. This must be their yearly good deed. But give them credit where it is due.

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[blankslate]

Rush Limbaugh is correct, the American flag is going to be taken away and replaced by a picture of two gay guys smoking pot.

And one of them is going to be "confirmed-bachelor" Sen. Lindsey Graham?


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[HomerJS]

Rush Limbaugh is correct, the American flag is going to be taken away and replaced by a picture of two gay guys smoking pot.

Actually the flag will be replaced by a fat deaf drug abuser with E.D. banging 12 yr old boys in the Dominican Republic

 

[Homerboy]

The "rebel flag" isn't even the Confederate Flag.

This was the 1st national flag of the Confederate States:

The "Rebel Flag" in question was (and I quote) "Designed by William Porcher Miles, the chairman of the Flag and Seal committee, a now-popular variant of the Confederate flag was rejected as the national flag in 1861. It was instead adopted as a battle flag by the Army of Northern Virginia under General Lee."

Hence the General Lee from Dukes of Hazard -- so technically it shouldn't be removed from the General Lee from the Dukes of Hazard!

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Those generals were Americans. The South is part of America. You're just too busy hating your fellow Americans to see the point, that reconstruction and reconciliation was made. You want to turn back the clock?

Today this hatred wishes to rip apart the very Union Lincoln killed all those Americans to preserve. Maybe Rush Limbaugh is correct:

wow, using rush as a reference. any credibility is completely and totally gone. Sorry, good game, you lose, good bye

 

[CU]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/684270011/ref=zg_b_bs_684270011_1
The Confederate Battle Flag: America's Most Embattled Emblem

Number one history book right now. Most of the negative reviews appear to be recent and related to the take it down movement. But, the verified purchase reviews are generally positive. Could be an interesting read to see both sides of the story from someone with a Phd (in History?) from William & Mary. He is a historian with the Museum of the Confederacy in Richmond, Va. So, he should at least be educated on the subject. Glad Amazon still sales it, different views on things are important. Otherwise majority rules with no other views ever coming to light regardless if they are right or wrong.

 

[gevorg]