Walmart to stop selling Confederate flag merchandise

[Jaskalas]

'DUKES' Actor: 'Wave of political correctness' vilifying Southern culture...

Time for the peanut gallery to call the Southern Democrat a racist. Slander is what you guys do best.

 

[nageov3t]

'DUKES' Actor: 'Wave of political correctness' vilifying Southern culture...

Time for the peanut gallery to call the Southern Democrat a racist. Slander is what you guys do best.

it's possible to be ignorant -- and lbr, a self-interested capitalist given that he owns a chain of stores dedicated to selling the pro-slavery flag -- without actually being racist.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

'DUKES' Actor: 'Wave of political correctness' vilifying Southern culture...

Time for the peanut gallery to call the Southern Democrat a racist. Slander is what you guys do best.

He's free to sell whatever he wants in his store. It's different than the explicit endorsement of the flag by a state government in the form of flying the flag on government property. Personally, I think his reasoning is delusional; calling the flag "a symbol of the spirit of independence... courage, family and good times" completely ignores the flag started as a battle flag for an Army that was actively fighting to keep slavery legal. If you're incapable of seeing how that might come across as racially insensitive, the problem is not "racists co-opting your flag," it's that you don't seem to understand why the entire Confederacy has racial undertones. You can be proud of your heritage while recognizing that your ancestors made mistakes. The Confederacy and the resulting war were one such mistake. It doesn't diminish who you are or the heritage of the region you come from. Not everything our countrymen did is worth celebrating forever.

 

[Sonikku]

That's more or less an analogy of America itself. :\

 

[CitizenKain]

'DUKES' Actor: 'Wave of political correctness' vilifying Southern culture...

Time for the peanut gallery to call the Southern Democrat a racist. Slander is what you guys do best.

Sure.

"Southern Culture" is hilarious. What culture? Being mad that their ancestors lost a war about owning people? Being even more mad that they can't turn dogs loose on black people in the streets?

Hahahah:

In a Facebook post on the page for his store late Tuesday, Jones called the flag a symbol of the spirit of independence.

Pretty limited symbol of independence then.

 

[fskimospy]

Sure.

"Southern Culture" is hilarious. What culture? Being mad that their ancestors lost a war about owning people? Being even more mad that they can't turn dogs loose on black people in the streets?

Hahahah:


Pretty limited symbol of independence then.

That's pretty amazing. The flag that was created to symbolize a country dedicated to the enslavement of people is a 'symbol of independence'.

How completely ignorant does someone have to be in order to say that unironically?

 

[FerrelGeek]

I'm over 55 as well and have also met many racists, sadly some in my own extended family I have NEVER stated or implied that there aren't racists. I'm just stating that I don't think that it's as ubiquitous as people like you make it out to be. Part of the problem is that more and more absurd things are being called (or attempted to be called) racist. An example of the absurd is the idiot that tried to claim that peanut butter and jelly was a racist term. WTF???? I'm a white country boy and I grew up on that. In fact there were times when money was tight (when my dad was getting his business started) that we only had jelly sandwiches. I despise genuine racism every bit as much as you. I take pride that my Scottish ancestors moved out of the deep south because of the objection to slavery and actually helped on the underground railroad and hid runaway slaves.

It's the guilty white libs and the race-baiters that are actively looking to be outraged by the most insignificant thing. There's plenty of things that need to be worked on in our society without looking more things to be outraged about.

So yeah, there are plenty of racist pigs out there, but it's not every effing whitey. That simple enough for you?

You idiots sure like to take something someone says and put your own twist on it before regurgitating it. Since you are obviously a very simple minded individual, let me spell it out for you. I have been alive for over 55 years now and I met my first racist as a very young child (7 years old). Since then, I have met many more of them. I have more than a few who are customers of mine! IOW, they are everywhere. Here in my area most of them are called Republicans. Anyone who is an adult and says what CU said regarding racists is a liar, a simpleton or blind and deaf. Racists are everywhere and they can be any color but in my experience most are white.

Now is that a bit easier for you to understand or should I use smaller words?

 

[CU]

That's pretty amazing. The flag that was created to symbolize a country dedicated to the enslavement of people is a 'symbol of independence'.

How completely ignorant does someone have to be in order to say that unironically?

It's easy to see. Symbols can and do change with the times and can even mean many different things to different people. He clearly says he doesn't endorse racism and views it differently. I am amazed at how many can only see it one way.

How do you feel about The Bonnie Blue Flag.
The "Bonnie Blue Flag" was used as an unofficial flag during the early months of 1861. It was flying above the Confederate batteries that first opened fire on Fort Sumter, beginning the Civil War. The Van Dorn battle flag was also carried by Confederate troops fighting in the Trans-Mississippi and Western theaters of war. In addition, many military units had their own regimental flags they would carry into battle.
and
When the state of Mississippi seceded from the Union in January 1861, they adopted it.

Or do you see symbols as always keeping their original meaning? In the case of The Bonnie Blue it was originally for the Republic of West Florida.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_Blue_Flag

 

[CU]

Sure.

"Southern Culture" is hilarious. What culture? Being mad that their ancestors lost a war about owning people? Being even more mad that they can't turn dogs loose on black people in the streets?

Hahahah:.

Wow, really. That is all you think about Southern culture. So, sad. Southern hospitality is part of Southern culture and generally all people are welcomed down here. I am sorry if you had a bad experience and if you haven't experienced it personally you should try it out before you talk about it.

 

[Cozarkian]

He's free to sell whatever he wants in his store. It's different than the explicit endorsement of the flag by a state government in the form of flying the flag on government property. Personally, I think his reasoning is delusional; calling the flag "a symbol of the spirit of independence... courage, family and good times" completely ignores the flag started as a battle flag for an Army that was actively fighting to keep slavery legal. If you're incapable of seeing how that might come across as racially insensitive, the problem is not "racists co-opting your flag," it's that you don't seem to understand why the entire Confederacy has racial undertones. You can be proud of your heritage while recognizing that your ancestors made mistakes. The Confederacy and the resulting war were one such mistake. It doesn't diminish who you are or the heritage of the region you come from. Not everything our countrymen did is worth celebrating forever.

The Confederacy may been started to protect slavery, but the Army was fighting for State's rights.

Similarly, one might argue that we invaded Iraq to make money for Bush's oil friends while recognizing that the deployed soldiers were fighting to protect the U.S.

 

[fskimospy]

It's easy to see. Symbols can and do change with the times and can even mean many different things to different people. He clearly says he doesn't endorse racism and views it differently. I am amazed at how many can only see it one way.

How do you feel about The Bonnie Blue Flag.
The "Bonnie Blue Flag" was used as an unofficial flag during the early months of 1861. It was flying above the Confederate batteries that first opened fire on Fort Sumter, beginning the Civil War. The Van Dorn battle flag was also carried by Confederate troops fighting in the Trans-Mississippi and Western theaters of war. In addition, many military units had their own regimental flags they would carry into battle.
and
When the state of Mississippi seceded from the Union in January 1861, they adopted it.

Or do you see symbols as always keeping there original meaning? In the case of The Bonnie Blue it was originally for the Republic of West Florida.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_Blue_Flag

I meant exactly what I said. I find it hilarious and sad that someone could be so clueless as to say that.

In a way he's right, by the way, that it symbolizes independence. It simply symbolizes independence for white people so they could keep black people from gaining theirs. I sincerely doubt he's put enough thought into the issue to realize the glaring inconsistency there. Chances are good that his social circles don't include the kind of person that might scoff at his claim.

It sounds like shades of what you said earlier, how you don't know anyone who thinks the Confederate flag symbolizes racism.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

It's easy to see. Symbols can and do change with the times and can even mean many different things to different people. He clearly says he doesn't endorse racism and views it differently. I am amazed at how many can only see it one way.

True enough. For example, slavery used to mean "independence." You can't expect me to update my language just because it's politically expedient to decry slavery as "wrong" in 2015.

How do you feel about The Bonnie Blue Flag.
The "Bonnie Blue Flag" was used as an unofficial flag during the early months of 1861. It was flying above the Confederate batteries that first opened fire on Fort Sumter, beginning the Civil War. The Van Dorn battle flag was also carried by Confederate troops fighting in the Trans-Mississippi and Western theaters of war. In addition, many military units had their own regimental flags they would carry into battle.
and
When the state of Mississippi seceded from the Union in January 1861, they adopted it.

Or do you see symbols as always keeping there original meaning? In the case of The Bonnie Blue it was originally for the Republic of West Florida.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_Blue_Flag

Considering the outrage is over a state government flying the Confederate flag over state property, I'll concede this point to you if you can find a single example of a Bonnie Blue Flag flying over government property by official decree of a local government anywhere in the United States of America in 2015. Otherwise, it's not really relevant is it?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The Confederacy may been started to protect slavery, but the Army was fighting for State's rights.

Similarly, one might argue that we invaded Iraq to make money for Bush's oil friends while recognizing that the deployed soldiers were fighting to protect the U.S.

You can salute the soldiers who died in a war without paying deference to the banner they fought under. And that's certainly not an excuse for states to fly the flag 150 years later.

 

[lotus503]

I'm over 55 as well and have also met many racists, sadly some in my own extended family I have NEVER stated or implied that there aren't racists. I'm just stating that I don't think that it's as ubiquitous as people like you make it out to be. Part of the problem is that more and more absurd things are being called (or attempted to be called) racist. An example of the absurd is the idiot that tried to claim that peanut butter and jelly was a racist term. WTF???? I'm a white country boy and I grew up on that. In fact there were times when money was tight (when my dad was getting his business started) that we only had jelly sandwiches. I despise genuine racism every bit as much as you. I take pride that my Scottish ancestors moved out of the deep south because of the objection to slavery and actually helped on the underground railroad and hid runaway slaves.

It's the guilty white libs and the race-baiters that are actively looking to be outraged by the most insignificant thing. There's plenty of things that need to be worked on in our society without looking more things to be outraged about.

So yeah, there are plenty of racist pigs out there, but it's not every effing whitey. That simple enough for you?

First you have to accept there are different types of racism.

Individual racism and Institutional racism. People tend to have a more difficult time conceptualizing and understanding institutional racism.

Folks think I have friends that are black i'm not a racist and racism isn't a big issue. Meanwhile blind to institutional racism they support by ignorance.

 

[Cozarkian]

You can salute the soldiers who died in a war without paying deference to the banner they fought under. And that's certainly not an excuse for states to fly the flag 150 years later.

It is explains why it is rational for people to view the flag as a symbol unrelated to the desire to keep slaves. If the soldiers in Iraq had created a flag that they used to motivate themselves, would you argue the flag can only represent the greed of oil tycoons and claim it can never be used by the government to represent the ideals of those who fought in Iraq rather than those who ordered them too?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

It is explains why it is rational for people to view the flag as a symbol unrelated to the desire to keep slaves. If the soldiers in Iraq had created a flag that they used to motivate themselves, would you argue the flag can only represent the greed of oil tycoons and claim it can never be used by the government to represent the ideals of those who fought in Iraq rather than those who ordered them too?

Well, no, because the American soldiers who fought in Iraq weren't enemies of the United States. That's slightly different than the Confederacy, which were soldiers who were actively fighting as enemies of the United States in an effort to secede. Why would an American state continue to fly a flag specifically created to secede from the United States of America after that secession failed? I don't care how specific individuals choose to view the flag, I care about the government entity that decides "this is acceptable to fly on public grounds at the explicit request of American legislators."

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Sorry that's not the flag that flew back then. Try harder next time.

If someone added a few stars to the Confederate flag just for the hell of it, would that make it OK?

 

[CU]

Considering the outrage is over a state government flying the Confederate flag over state property, I'll concede this point to you if you can find a single example of a Bonnie Blue Flag flying over government property by official decree of a local government anywhere in the United States of America in 2015. Otherwise, it's not really relevant is it?

Here you go. http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/06/pearl_river_child_molester_get_1.html
And the law. http://law.justia.com/codes/louisiana/2006/9/84534.html

I am sure this will be attacked also given the current snowball effect this is having. So does the symbol mean the original meaning or can it change. If it can change the rebel flag does not have to always be racist. If it can not change The Bonnie Blue is not racist and should not have to come down as that was not its original meaning at all.

Edit:
Found an article on it. http://theadvocate.com/news/12737910-123/bonnie-blue-flag-sometimes-associated

 

[kage69]

You can salute the soldiers who died in a war without paying deference to the banner they fought under. And that's certainly not an excuse for states to fly the flag 150 years later.

Exactly, and that's pretty much verbatim what I said to my FiL the other day (he's a Texan living in Florida). He didn't really have a response.

 

[brycejones]

'DUKES' Actor: 'Wave of political correctness' vilifying Southern culture...

Time for the peanut gallery to call the Southern Democrat a racist. Slander is what you guys do best.

Hey, he should look at as the biggest opportunity small business has had in the South in decades.

If you wrap your cultural identity in the flag of a defeated army you have issues. There is much more to the South than that.

 

[HomerJS]

I'm over 55 as well and have also met many racists, sadly some in my own extended family I have NEVER stated or implied that there aren't racists. I'm just stating that I don't think that it's as ubiquitous as people like you make it out to be. Part of the problem is that more and more absurd things are being called (or attempted to be called) racist. An example of the absurd is the idiot that tried to claim that peanut butter and jelly was a racist term. WTF???? I'm a white country boy and I grew up on that. In fact there were times when money was tight (when my dad was getting his business started) that we only had jelly sandwiches. I despise genuine racism every bit as much as you. I take pride that my Scottish ancestors moved out of the deep south because of the objection to slavery and actually helped on the underground railroad and hid runaway slaves.

It's the guilty white libs and the race-baiters that are actively looking to be outraged by the most insignificant thing. There's plenty of things that need to be worked on in our society without looking more things to be outraged about.

So yeah, there are plenty of racist pigs out there, but it's not every effing whitey. That simple enough for you?

No one has ever claimed that so this post is pointless

 

[Jaskalas]

Rush Limbaugh: The American flag is next

FARRAKHAN: 'WE NEED TO PUT THE AMERICAN FLAG DOWN'

New Orleans mayor says time to tear down statue of Robert E. Lee...
Group demands removal of confederate site in Orlando...

Hatred and divisiveness. That is the Democrat party today. Instead of unity behind absolute condemnation of the Charleston killer, you target fellow Americans. You take an excuse to attack innocent Americans. You betray the peace so many have sought.

 

[DrDoug]

...
It's the guilty white libs and the race-baiters that are actively looking to be outraged by the most insignificant thing. There's plenty of things that need to be worked on in our society without looking more things to be outraged about.

So yeah, there are plenty of racist pigs out there, but it's not every effing whitey. That simple enough for you?

Regarding the first part in bold, please describe "race-baiting" for me. Is it something like putting out bait and pulling in sucker fish or is it like noodling for them? Or is it like baiting a snare and catching a skunk in it? regarding the second part in bold, did you read what I said about racists and them not being only white? Maybe I should also say that not everybody is racist too?

Or you that dumb to think that I believe that after what I have already said...lol!

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Rush Limbaugh: The American flag is next

FARRAKHAN: 'WE NEED TO PUT THE AMERICAN FLAG DOWN'

New Orleans mayor says time to tear down statue of Robert E. Lee...
Group demands removal of confederate site in Orlando...

Hatred and divisiveness. That is the Democrat party today. Instead of unity behind absolute condemnation of the Charleston killer, you target fellow Americans. You take an excuse to attack innocent Americans. You betray the peace so many have sought.

NO WORRIES! WE HAVE A HAT FOR YOU FOR EVERY OCCASION!!

 

[brycejones]

Hatred and divisiveness. That is the Democrat party today. Instead of unity behind absolute condemnation of the Charleston killer, you target fellow Americans. You take an excuse to attack innocent Americans. You betray the peace so many have sought.

Yep the Civil War was the good ol' times, we should continue to celebrate the defense of slavery.

Where has there been disunity in condemning the killer? Should we ignore the culture that created him and not condemn it as well?

Before someone goes all mouth breather I'm not saying that all southerners are racists. But there is still an unfortunate undercurrent that continues to if not condone at least tolerate the viewpoints of the shooter and his ilk.