Viewsonic VP171B now available in 8ms model?

[junvi]

Just got mine from Newegg. There's a bad blue dead pixel near the center of the screen when it's black. What do I do?

EDIT: Rubbed it out, nevermind

 

[Patrick Wolf]

So how good is this monitor at reproducing black? I'm sure the response time is fine, colors, whatever, but the black concerns me greatly. Someone take a picture of Doom 3 or the Doom 3 demo from a far distance, I must see it to feel more reassured. Or even better, take a picture from Far Cry or the Far Cry demo in a dark area. Doom 3 sucks, but it has lots of black.

 

[junvi]

So far, I've found one of the coolest things about this model to be that you can rotate it and use it vertically. Great for browsing the web.

 

[Tremulant]

Originally posted by: wolfman579
So how good is this monitor at reproducing black? I'm sure the response time is fine, colors, whatever, but the black concerns me greatly. Someone take a picture of Doom 3 or the Doom 3 demo from a far distance, I must see it to feel more reassured. Or even better, take a picture from Far Cry or the Far Cry demo in a dark area. Doom 3 sucks, but it has lots of black.

It's really bright (I had to turn the brightness down a bit), but I haven't had any problem with the black levels. Even when the brightness was all the way up. I'd take a pic of Doom 3, but I've uninstalled it.. and I'm at work right now.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: junvi
Just got mine from Newegg. There's a bad blue dead pixel near the center of the screen when it's black. What do I do?

EDIT: Rubbed it out, nevermind

I've got a stuck blue too.....please explain the exact process as I've only heard it mentioned casually.

 

[junvi]

Mine now flickers on and off. Rubbing it helps it to go away. It's also gotten smaller. I took a very soft sweater I have, pressed firmly on the spot, and rubbed around a bit. I'm thinking that mine will go away eventually.

 

[imported_July]

I just recieved mine from Dell, the box says 8ms on it. I havent seen any dead pixels. The monitor is nice, its my first LCD. The viewing angle isnt that great, but I played some games and it works great, no ghosting at all on this thing. I cant seem to load the drivers for it though. It works, but the CD doesnt work, it says to load drivers manually, so I try and it doesnt recongnize the monitor??? Dont know whats up with that. Any Ideas?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Pete
8ms response time means that--very roughly--the highest framerate the LCD can display will be 1 frame/8ms, or 125fps. So I guess bumping the refresh rate up to 70 or 75Hz, as the LCD allows, can actually display higher framerates. Otherwise, 16ms panels are physically limited to 1 frame/16ms = 62.5fps, in which case a higher refresh rate shouldn't make a difference (assuming vsync is disabled).

That makes good sense, wouldn't that actually be a very good way to test the actual response-rate of the panels? (Except for the fact that I assume that panels are refreshed using their own internal sync-generators, that lock to the input sync signals, and may be limited in range to less than the max theoretical refresh-rate that the response-time specifications would seem to allow.)

In other words, bump up the refresh-rate to the max that the response-time should allow, check for ghosting, and then back off a bit until the ghosting seems to go away, and then you have the more-or-less "true" response-time? (Except for the fact that being able to see "ghosting" is a bit subjective, determined on the persistance-of-vision of the viewer too.)

 

[junvi]

I can't get rid of this stuck pixel. When I rub it, it goes away for a while, and it's definitely gotten smaller. But it comes back and I have to keep rubbing. Any suggestions?

 

[bay]

Just got my yesterday, no dead pixels or anything just a freaking fantastic monitor. So much better than the samsung 710T. And for only $350 how can you beat this?

 

[ltwentoncha]

Hi all,

I picked up a Samsung 712N for $368 (after taxes and damn waste fee) - $70 rebate. Is the extra $70 worth it to get the Viewsonic instead? I like the Samsung, but I'm building a new rig soon and the BFG 6800GT PCIe I bought has no Analog VGA connector. However, it does come with two VGA to DVI connectors, which I assume is for one end on the monitor and the other so it will fit on the video card; would that work in improving image quality as if the 712n had a DVI connector to begin with?

Thanks for reading.

 

[junvi]

This damn stuck blue pixel won't stay away permanently. I rub for a while and it goes away, but comes back after a while. Anyone know how to fix it or what Viewsonic's return policy is?

 

[sandpj]

Fron Viewsonic website:

"To ensure the highest performing displays, ViewSonic sets limits as to the allowable number of pixel anomalies. ViewSonic has adopted the following pixel criteria to supplement our existing three-year limited warranty. This policy applies to all ViewSonic LCD displays during the warranty period.

ViewSonic sets limits on 14" - 15" LCD's at 4 bright sub-pixels, 4 dark sub-pixels, or a combination of 4.
ViewSonic sets limits on 17" - 19" LCD's at 7 bright sub-pixels, 7 dark sub-pixels, or a combination of 7.
ViewSonic sets limits on 20" & greater LCD's at 10 bright sub-pixels, 10 dark sub-pixels, or a combination of 10."

 

[junvi]

Yeah I just called them and got the same information. I guess I'll try rubbing it in different ways, leaving it alone, etc. Fantastic monitor though.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Dell wouldn't give you a new one?

 

[junvi]

Ordered it through Newegg, who requires 8 or more. Not that bad right now--I can rub it away in the morning and it'll stay away for most of the day.

 

[wilson87]

It seems the overall concensus is that the VP171, version 2 is a good buy for what it offers. My question, though, is one of color choice.
From all of your research (my own has lead to confusing conclusions), can you tell if the silver casing for the monitor is also a version 2, 8ms device?

I checked Amazon.com (I am a New Egg fan by far but they didn't have it) and they have the silver monitor with an 8ms notation for response time. Is this correct? The model number doesn't reflect the upgraded version even though is indicates the better response time.Silver model description from Amazon

 

[Kalisperas]

Ok, I ordered a VP171B-2 from Newegg, and got it in today. My question is, should the model number on the monitor itself show the "-2" extension? I ask this because I've seen many reviews state that there's no ghosting with this monitor, but I notice quite a bit. I should add that this is my first LCD, so I don't really know what "bad" ghosting looks like, but on mine when I play Half Life 2, for example, the screen gets blurry every time I move. And when I do the "Solitaire test" the cards show a fair amount of ghosting when I move them around. Same with my mouse pointer on the desktop. And the model number on the front of the bezel is "VP171b", same on the little placard on the back. The model number on the back is VLCDS25972-4W. I've looked all through the documentation, box, etc., and nowhere does it show the model number as VP171b-2, it's always VP171b. Is this how it should be, or did I get an old 16ms one?

 

[imported_July]

I have the same model number.Your right, the only indication I have the 8ms model was a sticker on the box. Im not sure why you are seeing any ghosting. I just swapped my 19inch CRT with this LCD and I dont see any ghosting at all, I downloaded HL2 demo and it works perfect. I actually like this better than my CRT, better on my eyes.

 

[Kalisperas]

Yeah, now that I look again, there is a sticker on my box that says 8ms. I'm definately seeing ghosting, however. I guess my question now is, what does everyone mean by "no ghosting"? I just tried a couple games on my brother's laptop, and his ghosting is far worse than mine, but it's still quite noticeable on mine. Is it just a relative thing, like "little ghosting compared to other LCD's", or is everyone else really getting no ghosting with this monitor? On mine, if I drag my pointer across the desktop it leaves a noticeable trail. And in FPS games, whenever I turn, the edges of objects will blur and leave trails against the background. To test this, in Half-Life 2 I stood under some power lines and looked straight up so they were against the sky, and then moved around. They blurred quite noticably, where they did not on my old CRT. The games are certainly still playable, as the ghosting is subtle if you're not looking for it, and the overall picture quality is better than my failing CRT, but the blurring messes with my eyes a bit, an I'm just curious if this is normal for this monitor, or if something is funny with mine.

 

[PaiN004]

Originally posted by: Kalisperas
Ok, I ordered a VP171B-2 from Newegg, and got it in today. My question is, should the model number on the monitor itself show the "-2" extension? ...

And the model number on the front of the bezel is "VP171b", same on the little placard on the back. The model number on the back is VLCDS25972-4W. I've looked all through the documentation, box, etc., and nowhere does it show the model number as VP171b-2, it's always VP171b. Is this how it should be, or did I get an old 16ms one?

I read this thread a few days ago, and ordered mine through DELL. I just got it today. Mine is just like the above. SAme model number. Nowhere on the box or monitor does it say VP171b-2. On one piece of documentation for the driver it references the -2, but that is the only place. SAme as mine the box has an 8ms sticker that was slapped on it.

Guess I will be making a call to viewsonic.

Anybody else have anything different on their display they received?

 

[Reckoner]

Just ordered one from NewEgg. I'm having second thoughts about ordering from them though. The 8 dead pixels before return is kind've crappy.

 

[Kalisperas]

Yeah, that made me a bit nervous too, but I got lucky. When I first turned mine on, it had one bright red pixel that wouldn't change, but by the next day it was gone. I think I'd have been pretty upset, though, if I'd had 7 dead pixels and they refused to give me a new one.

 

[Ruroni]

Originally posted by: JP215
1) what is the max fps

2)Max display frequency you are able to get with that monitor?

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I still can't find out whether it's 8bit or 6bit though... Anyone, know?

Originally posted by: NiKeFiDO
yes unfortunately it is next to impossible to find a 8-bit sub 25ms response time panel yet. When you people find one, let me know so I can hop all over that deal!

Anandtech
...@$499 the 19" Dell 1905FP with an 800:1 contrast ratio... ...the thing that sets this panel apart from most is that it's a lower response time (...Response Time 20ms (Typical)...) component utilizing a genuine 8-bit panel with a PVA display mode.

But 20ms isn't going to be fast enough, for me. Although considering this is a 19" LCD, I would imagine the faster 17" with the actual 8bit Panel, can't be too too far away...

 

[Reckoner]

Now that the 19" Hyundai ImageQuest L90D+ can be had for the same price as the Viewsonic 17", which is the better buy? Would the Viewsonic have better video playback and overall quality?