Viewsonic VP171B now available in 8ms model?

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shikirocks

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Just got the VP171b yesterday for $438 Cdn. No dead pixels, very good colors. However it was too bright, i had to reduce the brightness.

Great monitor, just 2 flaws, the power plug is a bit loose and comes off sometimes, and the Pivot Pro software gives me the blue screen of death, which kinda sucks.
 

shikirocks

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I belive it's 6 bit, not that it is mentioned anywhere, the manual kinda sucks actually. And i notice a few errors in displaying any videos at full screen as well (Strechted lines). Games are amazing though, just tried day of defeat and counterstrike, even though the gamma is a little off.
 

junvi

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Here's some advice for those who buy this monitor and have a stuck pixel:

I originally got the monitor from Newegg and had no idea about the distinction between dead pixels and stuck pixels. Thus, my dissapointment when I turned it on for the first time to see a bright blue pixel in the midst of an otherwise black screen. I asked a friend and he mentioned that I should try rubbing it out. I did, and it began to appear less frequently. However, if you look very closely with a light shining on the monitor and a black background (and I mean extremely closely), you can see that the spot where I did all the rubbing is a fraction darker than the rest. Maybe the coating came off a bit. Anyway, no one in their right mind would notice it, but I was looking for it with a light shined right on it, so I did. So if you have a stuck pixel, try rubbing it out, but be gentle. I found that a very soft sweater I had worked well, and that the best way to get the pixel to go away was to keep your rubbing motion one way (right or left).

On the whole, I'm extremely satisfied with the monitor--runs great in games, colors are great, text is great, etc.
 

imported_obsidian

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Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Now that the 19" Hyundai ImageQuest L90D+ can be had for the same price as the Viewsonic 17", which is the better buy? Would the Viewsonic have better video playback and overall quality?
It's bigger, also has 8ms, and from all reviews seems like a solid monitor. I think the choice is obvious.
 

Reckoner

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I got my viewsonic today and I'm very impressed with I've seen so far. No dead pixels, and I have got the Pivot Pro Software to function. Video playback has been very good, and the colors are great. Monitor was pre-set to a level that made it EXTREMELY bright. I had to turn it nearly all the way down before my eyes melted.

Overall i'm very happy with the monitor.
 

junvi

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Originally posted by: shikirocks
Is the Pivot Pro Software working for any of you who bought this LCD?

It works but it's kind of buggy. The Nvidia control panel rotates the screen just as well.
 

Tremulant

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I haven't had any problems with mine. No stuck or dead pixels. It was a bit bright, so I turned that down. But even with the brightness down a bit, it's still too bright if all the lights are off, so I have to turn one on to feel comfortable (not a big deal).

I haven't tried the pivot software though, since I have no use for it.
 

shikirocks

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I've been using the screen on portait mode for a while, not bad at all, now i can read the weekly jumps with scrolling. However there is something that i have noticed, and i don't know if this is common or just an issue with the monitor: if you go into portrait mode, you will notice 2 things immediately, the lights becomes receding from the left to right (bottom to top in normal landscape), and the viewing angle is a little weak. But i am not complaining, I love this LCD, best i've seen so far.

I got the PivotPro to work by getting the upgrade. it's not bad, quite good actually.
 

ncik

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"My upgrade review"

Ordered a VP171b-2 from Newegg on Tuesday, shipped the same day (thanks Newegg!) and arrived a day early (thanks FedEx!).

BASELINE COMPARISON:
My old monitor was a 17" ViewSonic A70 CRT, around 5-6 years old. This new LCD display is much brighter (sometimes too bright when I'm tired) and the contrast ratio is way better, it is much easier to see what is going on in dark areas of video games without having to adjust the gamma as I did with my CRT. To put it simply, the new LCD makes the CRT's picture look washed out.

QUALITY CONTROL:
There is one stuck pixel in red, off to the left, and one stuck pixel in blue, towards the bottom right corner. The red is only noticable if you're looking for it on a white background and the blue is only noticable on a completely black screen. No biggie, they both blend in 99% of the time.

GAMING:
I played counterstrike all weekend and could not perceive any sort of ghosting during gameplay. Intense action, getting ownz0red, etc all looked fine. Although you can see the stuck blue pixel in game if you look, its off on the player's arm (for most guns) and out of the way. Lucky me.

VIDEOS:
Low quality video files don't look as good in fullscreen mode on the 1280x1024 LCD as they did on the 1024x768 CRT. I think it's just harder to hide the pixel garbage on this type of screen. When viewing Michael Jackson's 'Ghosts', I noticed some contrast issues during parts that had lots of lightning. Lightning is supposed to flash instantaneously, I'm not sure if what I noticed was from slow falloff, but it did make me stop and wonder if I was seeing ghosting. </pun>

COLOR QUALITY:
aka 'The pr0n Benchmark'
I am used to having my CRT's white point set at 9300*K, and my initial perception of the default 6500*K color mode was that it had WAY too much red. It does look better through the DVI interface. In video games I actually prefer this 6500*K color, I think it makes the walls of 'cs_italy' look better. Switching it to 9300*K only helped when viewing web pages, as I ended up getting uneven color banding on the top 1/3 of the screen (it shows up as a warmer red) unless I tilted the screen JUST right. Obviously with a fully adjustable stand this is not a problem, but I shift in my seat a lot. So I put it back to 6500*K because the color is at least even across the whole display.

When viewing high-res pictures this tends to make skin tones seem a little too red. Bands of 'too much red color' will run the lengths of areas that seem like they should be more shaded and even. This may be due to 6-bit dithering...{EDIT} So I did a side-by-side comparison of both displays. In user color settings, I tweaked the red down to a 1 tick below the 7/8 mark, and the blue down to 2 ticks above the 3/4 mark, leaving green at full. Tan skin now looks just like tan skin, without any sun-burn effect. Running a slide show simultaneously on both displays, my eyes prefer the LCD picture. It's a lot sharper than my CRT..eg a head of styled hair looks much more defined. Running a normal desktop in this color mode tends to create that uneven color on the top 1/3 of the screen, so I switched it back to 6500*K for normal use.{/EDIT}

These color issues, of course, are totally offset by the fact that this display pivots. Although rotation narrows the viewing angle a bit, picture quality stays the same. I never knew you could view portrait pictures without having to scroll. Like wow. This is a huge feature for me, something I could never do with a CRT, so in his respect I am quite pleased.

SOFTWARE/DRIVERS
I didn't use the included pivotpro software. Reading that some had problems, I opted to 'not even go there' and just use the native functionality of my nVidia drivers. I was unable to install the VP171b-2 driver from the download provided on ViewSonic's support site, instead I had to use the included CD. It installed everything including the color profile correctly, although windows complained they were not digitally signed.

SERVICE & SUPPORT
I don't think people realise how important this is until their monitor dies. I have exercised warranties on lots of different brands, Dell, NEC, Gateway, and ViewSonic is by far the best. They replaced my A70 after it died just a few months before its expiration, no problem. A year ago when I needed a new VGA cable, I was able to order it with the exact part number I got from their TSR. They knew their stuff, no forums or google required. This cable was the one-ended kind that you have to take the monitor apart and soldier to replace. I can't even believe they sold it to me. The fact they are willing to go that extra mile, and sell you parts out of their stock (which is obviously well documented), shows that they really care about customer satisfaction. I was never treated like an idiot or read scripted lines by any thick-accented voice. I just got what I wanted, when I needed it. Try getting that with other brands!

CONCLUSION
I can tell that display technology has come a long way since the days of my old CRT. I can't say that this LCD is perfect, but without having a VS P95f+ to compare side-by-side, I don't think I'll ever know the difference. Despite the 'perfection' offered by today's CRTs, there is just no way Im going to spend $$ on another huge, 60lb hunk of glass. I don't think it would have been worth it to pay $550 for this display when it was new, but at $339 it was a steal..I mean that's only a $40 premium for the fully adjustable stand (compared to the avg Samsung 710N) and a $60 premium for being an LCD (compared to avg P95f+). I needed an upgrade and this fit exactly.

BOTTOM LINE
Better contrast, bigger desktop, lower eyestrain, smaller footprint, lighter package, with pivot stand, all put together by ViewSonic. A++, I would recommend this display to anyone!
 

bay

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^^^ very nice
Unfortunatley I have been reading about a lot of people getting dead/stuck pixels which surprises me, i was always under the assumption that manufactruing quality had come so far i lcds that pixel issues were rare. I guess I just have gotten lucky. I also have the VP171b and I absolutely love it. Excellent review.
 

Quink

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I have been going through a few lcd monitors looking for the right one.
First I started off with a Dell 1704FPV but that turned out to be just plain horrible.
Bad 'ghosting' or whatever you want to call it when scrolling through webpages and was generally unlikeable while doing desktop type stuff. In gaming it was fine, but i hardly game and that won't be its main use.
So i returned it and just got a brand new Viewsonic VP171b-2, the 8ms panel. Well things look great, except in movies. It looks pure ugly. Makes even hdtv stuff look bad. I was under the assumption that when they stated it was 'hdtv ready' it should look good. Very 'blotchy' and pixelated. Basically it made my old Dell 15" 1503fp look good. Is this common? What monitor might not give me so much trouble.
I want to try a samsung 17" as they are supposed to be the best and all, but they have no money back guarantee like this viewsonic and the dell had. Am i being too pickey?
Take a look(Warning 1.5mb pics)
HDTV Xvid rip of 'Las Vegas' as seen on the viewsonic
Same xvid seen on the viewsonic and the dell 15"
The dell is analogue while the viewsonic is DVI
all settings are optimal for each monitor.
And just for comparision, here is a dvi vs analogue on the viewsonic
analogue vs dvi

Any of you guys with this monitor notice the bad video quality? Regardless of what kind of stream I am viewing it just looks bad. Wasn't this way on the dell lcd via dvi.
 

mcnemp

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Feb 20, 2005
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I got a Viewsonic vp171b w/8ms some days ago and right now, IT SUCKS. The mouse pointer leaves a lame trail on the screen, surfing the web is a real psychedelic experience too as there's trails of colors mainly everywhere and yes, solitaire players will have the nausea. I Tested some movie trailers and you can see some kind of black lines (a refresh rate problem?!). I expect some ghosting in games too...I'll not be surprised at all. All of that using a DVI connection. No mentions of 8ms in the manual and vp171b-2 on the little red box.

My guess is that it's a 16ms LCD with only a 8ms sticker to fool us.

There's something wrong with the colors too. Pictures/photos just don't look real (even after some tweaking).

Aswell, there's a pretty annoying white halo on the screen in the dark, the viewing angle is bad, the latest driver from the website isn't working, text is unreadable unless you apply cleartype fonts, etc, etc.

I doubt that I'll keep it.
 

mcnemp

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Feb 20, 2005
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In my case, I'll wait a few more years before getting a DECENT LCD and I'll keep my good old 17 in. "shadow mask" CRT monitor. This old technology is more mature. Buying this LCD monitor was a BIG mistake.
 

bay

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Originally posted by: mcnemp
I got a Viewsonic vp171b w/8ms some days ago and right now, IT SUCKS. The mouse pointer leaves a lame trail on the screen, surfing the web is a real psychedelic experience too as there's trails of colors mainly everywhere and yes, solitaire players will have the nausea. I Tested some movie trailers and you can see some kind of black lines (a refresh rate problem?!). I expect some ghosting in games too...I'll not be surprised at all. All of that using a DVI connection. No mentions of 8ms in the manual and vp171b-2 on the little red box.

My guess is that it's a 16ms LCD with only a 8ms sticker to fool us.

There's something wrong with the colors too. Pictures/photos just don't look real (even after some tweaking).

Aswell, there's a pretty annoying white halo on the screen in the dark, the viewing angle is bad, the latest driver from the website isn't working, text is unreadable unless you apply cleartype fonts, etc, etc.

I doubt that I'll keep it.



not sure what you guys are talking about. I have heard nothing but rave reviews about this monitor and I love mine. Plus the idea of viewsonic slapping on a 8ms sticker w/o the panel being rated at 8ms is rediculous. Numerous sites have reviewed this monitor and I doubt they would have let it get by them. Plus this is viewsonic, one of the most respected monitor manufactuers, i doubt they'd put their rep on the line by pulling some bullshit like you're describing.
Ive done side by side comparsions of this monitor and samsungs 710T and this just destroys it.
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Quink

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dunno what to say except the dell 1800fp original version looks so much nicer than this monitor(not comparing gaming though)
 

mcnemp

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Here's 35 pictures I took of my desktop while gently moving some windows using a vp171b 8/ms:

http://img175.exs.cx/img175/7028/vp171b010fa.jpg
http://img205.exs.cx/img205/6509/vp171b021dq.jpg
http://img205.exs.cx/img205/9541/vp171b032ag.jpg
http://img205.exs.cx/img205/5537/vp171b047bq.jpg
http://img205.exs.cx/img205/6527/vp171b051ni.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/3717/vp171b060qn.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/3097/vp171b071gp.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/7480/vp171b081zd.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/9926/vp171b094re.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/844/vp171b106ae.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/7930/vp171b113ho.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/1674/vp171b120gm.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/1457/vp171b130mp.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/796/vp171b142vj.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/271/vp171b157ko.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/611/vp171b167yr.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/4920/vp171b178sg.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/6941/vp171b181lr.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/1420/vp171b194pw.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/4206/vp171b202rw.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/9233/vp171b215gt.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/4029/vp171b222zo.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/9274/vp171b234on.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/7912/vp171b242yz.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/5050/vp171b254wv.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/2993/vp171b263pe.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/8404/vp171b270mu.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/6926/vp171b289hq.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/1966/vp171b295ci.jpg
http://img148.exs.cx/img148/2549/vp171b304cs.jpg
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/8859/vp171b316ra.jpg
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/3369/vp171b323zq.jpg
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/3927/vp171b339pv.jpg
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/5172/vp171b347lh.jpg
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/1271/vp171b352pg.jpg

VP171b-8ms-Rev:111, Display mode: DVI, max refresh rate (70) at 1280x1024 & RadeonX800XTPE.

Lame isn't it? My old 17 inch CRT monitor is a pure jewel in front of that.
 

bunnyfubbles

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Originally posted by: mcnemp
Here's 35 pictures I took of my desktop while gently moving some windows using a vp171b 8/ms:

http://img175.exs.cx/img175/7028/vp171b010fa.jpg
http://img205.exs.cx/img205/6509/vp171b021dq.jpg
http://img205.exs.cx/img205/9541/vp171b032ag.jpg
http://img205.exs.cx/img205/5537/vp171b047bq.jpg
http://img205.exs.cx/img205/6527/vp171b051ni.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/3717/vp171b060qn.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/3097/vp171b071gp.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/7480/vp171b081zd.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/9926/vp171b094re.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/844/vp171b106ae.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/7930/vp171b113ho.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/1674/vp171b120gm.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/1457/vp171b130mp.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/796/vp171b142vj.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/271/vp171b157ko.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/611/vp171b167yr.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/4920/vp171b178sg.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/6941/vp171b181lr.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/1420/vp171b194pw.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/4206/vp171b202rw.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/9233/vp171b215gt.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/4029/vp171b222zo.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/9274/vp171b234on.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/7912/vp171b242yz.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/5050/vp171b254wv.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/2993/vp171b263pe.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/8404/vp171b270mu.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/6926/vp171b289hq.jpg
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/1966/vp171b295ci.jpg
http://img148.exs.cx/img148/2549/vp171b304cs.jpg
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/8859/vp171b316ra.jpg
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/3369/vp171b323zq.jpg
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/3927/vp171b339pv.jpg
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/5172/vp171b347lh.jpg
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/1271/vp171b352pg.jpg

VP171b-8ms-Rev:111, Display mode: DVI, max refresh rate (70) at 1280x1024 & RadeonX800XTPE.

Lame isn't it? My old 17 inch CRT monitor is a pure jewel in front of that.

That problem doesn't look like its the monitors fault, if it is I'd think it would be defective. Looks like your system is bogged down and/or your video card isn't cutting it. (I like how most of those images you've got so much crap running in the task bar...)

Unless you're doing this on purpose for whatever lame reason, or unless you're unbelievably ignorant I'll refer you to a link that should help you speed up you computer....

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=33&threadid=1346173&enterthread=y
 

mcnemp

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That problem doesn't look like its the monitors fault, if it is I'd think it would be defective. Looks like your system is bogged down and/or your video card isn't cutting it. (I like how most of those images you've got so much crap running in the task bar...)

Unless you're doing this on purpose for whatever lame reason, or unless you're unbelievably ignorant I'll refer you to a link that should help you speed up you computer....
I reinstalled XP 2 days ago and my system is virus/spyware free so it's not the problem.

Here's 6 other pictures:

http://img184.exs.cx/img184/2156/vp171b3613wv.jpg
http://img184.exs.cx/img184/7346/vp171b3716xg.jpg
http://img184.exs.cx/img184/9715/vp171b3810rv.jpg
http://img184.exs.cx/img184/7046/vp171b3917qu.jpg
http://img184.exs.cx/img184/4899/vp171b4016ni.jpg
http://img150.exs.cx/img150/7889/vp171b4216iw.jpg
 

Quink

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Well i don't know whats going on with this stuff. For me its just a quality issue. Not weird randomness issue.