The much large scale part, is exactly where the problem lies. Would you not consider the particular animal who suffered of any importance at all? Put that one per day, per slaughterhouse, and you'd have many thousands. Just trying to put it into perspective. Not to mention what they feed the cows.
And don't compare roaches to even mice. Bug to a small mammal? We've never had to kill any mice on our property.
I was a vegetarian for a long period of time then I just had a big craving for steak and hamburger one day. I gave in and love it. I figure its natural and that my body requires it, with the added omnivoreness of humans. Yes such food can be bad for you but hell you die anyhow so enjoy your life. I'd think that I'd live longer eating beef and not going to school in Toronto then the other way around.
we have to eat living organisms to survive. by being a vegetarian you are choosing to eat more distant relatives than the more recent ones like other mammals. I don't get offended by what people choose to eat.
Don't forget the great myth, that the earth is here for us humans, we are the pinnacle of evolution on the planet. we are not simply the byproduct of molecules trying to protect and copy themselves, or are we? Anyway, bon appetit.
two books on my recommended list, anyone with a genuine curiosity about the world we live in should read:
The Selfish Gene
Ishmael
Don't forget the great myth, that the earth is here for us humans, we are the pinnacle of evolution on the planet. we are not simply the byproduct of molecules trying to protect and copy themselves, or are we? Anyway, bon appetit.
two books on my recommended list, anyone with a genuine curiosity about the world we live in should read:
The Selfish Gene
Ishmael
Pretty much the same here. I will not eat chicken legs off the bone, but will gladly have a hero with it (same with Turkey). I also for some reason don't eat much steak, but love hamburgers. I also don't eat ham, etc... It's weird, but that's how I am.
when eating those patties of chicken and "beef" you should imagine the huge machines that strip the meat from the BONE and the smell of the plant as the boiled parts are mulched and regurgitated through.... often with bone marrow and cartilage getting through
Originally posted by: oboeguy
My question is, "Meat eaters, why?"
Yum, I love pretty much any kind of meat, fish, bird, cow, I don't care, it's all good
Well, except for snails and oysters and such, I don't eat stuff that resembles snot too much, animal or not.
I don't like most vegetables too much though, I like cucumber and paprica, plus some oriental stuff that I don't even know what it's called, but sallad, tomatoes and stuff like that, that's a no-no to me.
I exercise quite a bit and stay in good shape, so the health aspect is a non issue to me.
Besides, I couldn't care less if I die at 70 or 75 instead of 80 or 90, 75 years of good eating is better than 90 years of vegetables to me personally.
I don't care what others eat though, if others wanna eat veggies that's none of my business, and I couldn't care less, I just expect people to show me the same courtesy.
I've never understood why some people always feel the urge to involve themselves in stuff that's clearly none of their business.
Geekbabe
Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
Unfortunate but that's the stereotype that comes along with being a vegetarian. The folks that I know who don't eat meat have never made an issue out of it for those who do. In fact, it's usually the carnivores amongst us that make it a point to harass the vegans of the world.
I've been cutting down on the red meat for health reasons (cholestoral) but I still eat it in moderation. The whole mad-cow thing has me a bit concerned as well, feel like I'm playing russian roulette now whenever I have a burger/etc. I know the odds are low but the meat industry would have you believe they are very low and the animal rights activits and consipiracy theorists would have you believe they aren't so low. Who knows.
Geekbabe
Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
I am a vegetarian because I was brought up as one. When I had my chances to try non-vegetarian food, I didn't find it particularly tastier than vegetarian food. Plus, most people that eat pork seem to have bad BO as a result - mostly any meat does that, IMHO. I don't even use the microwave in my office because sometimes people cook some really nasty smelling non-veg stuff in it. There are other meats that look and smell tasty. I've always drooled at the way Obelix eats a boar Thanksgiving turkeys look so golden crisp and delicious as do buffalo wings. But somehow, the idea of biting into flesh and blood never appeals to me. I never try to convince people of the benefits of vegetarianism unless they see some reason to advocate non-vegetarianism to me. I guess coming from South India, where most people are vegetarians (mostly cultural, partly economic reasons - meat is more expensive in India than vegetables), has a lot to do with it too. I have not seen the variety that South Indian vegetarian food has in any other cuisine. When there's so much good food to be eaten, I see no reason to eat dead animal parts.
Thanksgiving turkeys look so golden crisp and delicious as do buffalo wings. But somehow, the idea of biting into flesh and blood never appeals to me. I never try to convince people of the benefits of vegetarianism unless they see some reason to advocate non-vegetarianism to me. I guess coming from South India, where most people are vegetarians (mostly cultural, partly economic reasons - meat is more expensive in India than vegetables), has a lot to do with it too. I have not seen the variety that South Indian vegetarian food has in any other cuisine. When there's so much good food to be eaten, I see no reason to eat dead animal parts.
apoppin
Lifer
Why? They got you paying for the xtra bandwith?Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: apoppin
So was I . . . now most of us know more that we wanted to about this subject.Originally posted by: caitlion
i know, but you said vegetarians not vegans. i was just kidding anyway
Stop with the nested quotes already!
After having a heated debate about this with my g/f, I decided to do some late night research on how the US safeguards the public against Mad Cow Disease. From what I can remember, certified organic beef is no safer than mass produced beef.
The bottom line is that BSE is not prevalent, at all, in the USA. And the US does take safeguards to ensure that it does not get imported.
LOL Like curried everything doesn't smell nasty! with or without the meat
I don't think your GMO pesticide, herbicide laced veggies are much better for you than meat, sorry. . . .
I think BOTH are safe, humans have never lived longer or healthier in industrial culture.
Fact is varitety of food and year round availablity has some cost/benfits to it. . . .
I don't think your GMO pesticide, herbicide laced veggies are much better for you than meat, sorry. . . .
I think BOTH are safe, humans have never lived longer or healthier in industrial culture.
Fact is varitety of food and year round availablity has some cost/benfits to it. . . .
apoppin
Lifer
Sure it is . . . no antibiotics, no growth-hormones, no pesticide contaminated feed, no dirty crammed feedlots, and NO GROUND UP RESIDUES OF OTHER COWS (finally banned for all USA beef).
PLUS, you can trace each "organic" cow back to its birthplace.
Yep. You just have to watch the labels. The rules are different for stuff labeled "all natural" or similar as opposed to "certified organic".Originally posted by: apoppin
Sure it is . . . no antibiotics, no growth-hormones, no pesticide contaminated feed, no dirty crammed feedlots, and NO GROUND UP RESIDUES OF OTHER COWS (finally banned for all USA beef).
PLUS, you can trace each "organic" cow back to its birthplace.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Sure it is . . . no antibiotics, no growth-hormones, no pesticide contaminated feed, no dirty crammed feedlots, and NO GROUND UP RESIDUES OF OTHER COWS (finally banned for all USA beef).
PLUS, you can trace each "organic" cow back to its birthplace.
Do you have any links to any studies done comparing the safety of organic to mass produced Beef?
Here. Go nuts.Originally posted by: AsianriceX
Originally posted by: apoppin
Sure it is . . . no antibiotics, no growth-hormones, no pesticide contaminated feed, no dirty crammed feedlots, and NO GROUND UP RESIDUES OF OTHER COWS (finally banned for all USA beef).
PLUS, you can trace each "organic" cow back to its birthplace.
Do you have any links to any studies done comparing the safety of organic to mass produced Beef?
No, but I dont want to have to scroll to the sides to read normal posts...Originally posted by: apoppin
Why? They got you paying for the xtra bandwith?
because someone once made the arguement to me that if we (as humans) have evolved as far as we say we have, why do we still eat meat? there are far better ways to get protein, etc
i just felt like trying it and now there are enough good reasons to keep going that i do
and vegetarians don't eat fish! it's vegitarianism, not lent!
i just felt like trying it and now there are enough good reasons to keep going that i do
and vegetarians don't eat fish! it's vegitarianism, not lent!
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