UPDATE: Angry Right-Winger Who Shot at Cops Admits He Wanted A Revolution

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Atreus21

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This is truly pathetic.

The left has been desperately looking for any example of right-wing violence since the tea parties. They finally get one and say, "Look, all right-wingers are violent at heart."

If only they were so unforgiving of muslims.

This isn't about what's right and wrong. This is ego. Who cares that a cop got shot? The real importance here is that a right-winger did it.
 

Siddhartha

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A number of this forum's members have mentioned keeping their guns ready to fight the Revolution against the federal government. Are they talking about doing what the guy in CA did?
 

xj0hnx

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A number of this forum's members have mentioned keeping their guns ready to fight the Revolution against the federal government. Are they talking about doing what the guy in CA did?

Flipping out because they are ex-cons that can't get a job? Don't know, ask them.
 

xj0hnx

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This is truly pathetic.

The left has been desperately looking for any example of right-wing violence since the tea parties. They finally get one and say, "Look, all right-wingers are violent at heart."

If only they were so unforgiving of muslims.

This isn't about what's right and wrong. This is ego. Who cares that a cop got shot? The real importance here is that a right-winger did it.

Yip, look at how the loony JSt0rm01 flipped out when I linked to a democrat doing the same thing.
 

Infohawk

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This is truly pathetic.

The left has been desperately looking for any example of right-wing violence since the tea parties. They finally get one and say, "Look, all right-wingers are violent at heart."

Umm.... this story isn't about left-wingers. Sorry. And I say that as someone who is not forgiving of muslims.
 

Atreus21

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Umm.... this story isn't about left-wingers. Sorry. And I say that as someone who is not forgiving of muslims.

Umm.... this thread is about painting right-wingers as violent. Do you seriously contend that you posted it for any other reason?
 
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Revolution:

1. Terrorism you agree with
2. Terrorism that wins

When politicians and corporate heads are terrified of the public, they don't moderate their actions, they increase repression, unless you win a civil war you can't win.

Hardly.

Terrorists attack targets unrelated to their direct enemy in order to cause fear, civil unrest, motivate sympathizers (ie revenge), etc.

Revolutionaries attack their direct enemy with the purpose of killing them, or interrupting their operations.

Increase of repression will hasten the onset of revolution, and thereby their own deaths. The problem with their logic is self-correcting in that way.
 

Craig234

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Hardly.

Terrorists attack targets unrelated to their direct enemy in order to cause fear, civil unrest, motivate sympathizers (ie revenge), etc.

Revolutionaries attack their direct enemy with the purpose of killing them, or interrupting their operations.

Increase of repression will hasten the onset of revolution, and thereby their own deaths. The problem with their logic is self-correcting in that way.

Quite wrong.

You completely confuse the issue. Are civilians killed by a government 'their direct enemy'? Is training people to commit torture of civilians, terrorism? Are attacks to hurt the morale of people who can help or hurt a war effort terrorism? Are Israelis who bulldoze Palestinian homes as a control measure terrorists? Was the French resistance destroying the economic function of their country terrorism? Was the Nazi genocide not terrorism because it 'directly' attacked who they said was their enemy?

There are all kinds of issues. Basically, there are many approaches to fighting an enemy, and many tools which make more or less sense depending on your situation.

But the destabilization of countries is a common approach to try to overthrow a government. That can mean assassinating police, or killing doctors, or making food scarce; in Venezuela, the rich and US companies attempted an overthrow by crippling the economy for months, hoping the angry public would take it out by removing the President. You could even motivate revolt with promises of rewards.

You have a very simplistic and false position that 'repression is discouraged because it will cause revolt and cost them their lives'.

You can find some examples of that. But Stalin wasn't assassinated. Mao wasn't assassinated. Saddam wasn't assassinated, nor Noriega nor Pinochet, nor the Shah.

The large majority of repressive leaders have not been assassinated. Repression is the only way generally for them to keep power.

You tell the people of any of the dictatorships how it's 'self-correcting', and they can slap you in disgust at your dismissive attitude toward their suffering.

Take 9/11 - that was pretty 'directly' aimed - your criterion for revolution versus terrorism - at the US military, political and economic top locations. So they're not terrorists?

And you don't agree with them, nor did they 'win' and take over the US (not that they were trying to), so you would not call them revolutionaries.

Look at the history of revolution, and you will find it filled with the grass roots assassination of police, or mayors and local functionaries, to disrupt the authority of the government targeted, to build support for the revolution. The US has built forces - from South Vietnam to the Contras in Nicaragua - to do exactly that sort of terrorism.

No, the issue is not simple, and is more like I said. You can find clear examples on either side - the American revolution serves pretty well for a revolution, and the assassination of Jewish Athletes at the Olympics was a pretty clear example of terrorism. But there's a big gray area.
 

Infohawk

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Umm.... this thread is about painting right-wingers as violent. Do you seriously contend that you posted it for any other reason?

It is what it is. This guy went nuts and his mom said he was mad at left-wing politicians.

Of course one can't say all right-wingers are like this. That's just your straw man. But it's comical when right-wing posters try to act like it's impossible that a right-winger would go crazy like this. Sometimes right-wingers go crazy. Oklahoma City, Abortion Dr. Killings, militia types in their bunkers. It happens. Deal with it and condemn it.
 

Perknose

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Maybe he was going to rob a bank, any facts to back up him being any "angry right winger" out to kill liberals, or is it just partisan BS?

Yes, there are.

Yea, it's about an ex-con that flipped out because he couldn't get a job.

Keep telling yourself it's just that, and not at all political. The facts tell a far different story.

Those twin leftist commie institutions, the Associated Press and the Police, provide us with this FACTUAL evidence:

Oakland, CA -- Byron Williams of Groveland was reportedly planning to attack people at the American Civil Liberties Union and the non-profit Tides Foundation.

According to the Associated Press, Williams, 45, told Oakland Police Department investigators he was on his way to San Francisco late Saturday when Highway Patrol Officers pulled him over on Interstate 580. The Police Department stated that Williams is upset with the two organizations political views.
His violence had a decided right wing political bent. No honest person can continue to deny this. Will you now admit this fact?

I watch TV and hate liberals, but when I load up guns in my car I am usually headed to a gun show, or the range.

At midnight, like when he was pulled over, with a bullet proof vest on? Please. Your struggles to remain in denial over the FACTS of this case would be hilarious if they weren't so pathetic.
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werepossum

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Convicted felon Byron Williams loaded up his mother's Toyota Tundra with guns, strapped on his body armor and headed to San Francisco late Saturday night with one thing in mind: to kill workers at the American Civil Liberties Union and an environmental foundation, prosecutors say.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...MNMN1EHB37.DTL&type=newsbayarea#ixzz0uKwEQFcB

Anyone want to try to spin this one? This could have been a devastating tragedy. Hopefully law enforcement will take the threat of right-wing extremists seriously.
I'll try.

Wow, Obama and the Democrat Congress are so far left radical that now even registered Democrat felons (a double Obama constituency!) want to shoot cops & left wing activists!

How'd I do?
 
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Jaskalas

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He's "taking the country back" and "watering the tree of liberty".

That may have been what he wanted, but no one can deny that he was an utter failure in this regard. The means to his end were either borne of insanity or stupidity, as they were pointless and ineffective.

Any normal and sane person, even if in agreement with his goals, would not agree to random acts of violence.
 

Fear No Evil

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This guy should have tried to blow up the pentagon or other government buildings. He'd be a hero to Perknose and his ilk and probably a member of the Obama Administration or at least a close personal friend.

Its amazing the spin the left needs to put on situations like this in order to try to demonize the right.. yet they CELEBRATE the terrorists and traitors in their midst. I guess when you President is making GWB look like a great leader you have to resort to attacks like these.
 

nobodyknows

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It is what it is. This guy went nuts and his mom said he was mad at left-wing politicians.

Of course one can't say all right-wingers are like this. That's just your straw man. But it's comical when right-wing posters try to act like it's impossible that a right-winger would go crazy like this. Sometimes right-wingers go crazy. Oklahoma City, Abortion Dr. Killings, militia types in their bunkers. It happens. Deal with it and condemn it.

You forgot Lee Harvwey Oswald and Sirhan Sirahn, they must have been right wing crazies too.

Edit: So was Timothy McVeigh a right winger or a left winger??

I'd bet Forest Gump would say that "Crazy is as crazy does."
 
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Infohawk

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That may have been what he wanted, but no one can deny that he was an utter failure in this regard. The means to his end were either borne of insanity or stupidity, as they were pointless and ineffective.

Any normal and sane person, even if in agreement with his goals, would not agree to random acts of violence.

I don't like the insanity defense in normal criminal cases and I think it especially doesn't apply to political cases either. Hitler was crazy. (Yes Godwin.) Was WW2 a war against insanity? Some may say so, but most consider it an ideological war. Same could be said of muslim terrorists: they are just crazy. I don't care if they are. The point is they are motivated by their religious extremism just like this guy was motivated by his extremist right-wing views.
 

xj0hnx

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Yes, there are.

Your struggles to remain in denial over the FACTS of this case would be hilarious if they weren't so pathetic.
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Wow, after they interviewed him and now have the whole story, there's facts? AMAZING :rolleyes: and you still act like you knew all along why he did it ...pathetic. You did exactly the same thing people are crying about over Sherron, make an assumption based on your politics without all the facts.