Union Goons Beat People At St Louis Townhall

[Corn]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Public doesn't even understand what's being proposed. They think public option is going to be everyone's plan, even though it's been explained over and over that you can keep your current plan instead.

Like I'm gonna believe you when you silly liberals and your silly Democrat Congressmen can't keep your stories straight:

Regarding abortion coverage under UHC:

Originally posted by: senseamp
Have to cover it or it would be rationing. Free abortions for everyone > rationing.

Rep John Dingell, Democrat, disagrees with you: ?there will be no payment of taxpayer funds for abortion,? Dingell, 83, told the crowd.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Few See U.S. Health Care as 'Best in the World'

Most Americans rate the nation's health care as no better than average when compared with health care in other industrialized countries. Just 15% say health care in this country is the "best in the world," while 23% rate it as "above average"; about six-in-ten (59%) view U.S. health care as either "average" (32%) or "below average" (27%).

Pew Research = Credible
Rasmussen = WSJ Right Wing Hack

Perhaps you should send some goons over to the WSJ.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: senseamp
Yeah, so those who are happy with their plan can keep it. But we need a public option to address the problem with uninsured, and take cases where insurance companies don't want to provide coverage due to preexisting conditions and such.
I don't see why it matters if we pay for their care through taxes or through high healthcare premiums like we do now to cover unpaid hospital bills. I'd rather pay taxes to pay for preventative care than pay high premiums for ER care.

Problem is that the private sector CANNOT compete with a public option. It is simply not possible. The government makes the rules and skews the rules to help it s government backed companies (see GM tax breaks on losses).

Secondly, the government can simple PRINT MONEY to subsidize costs or just raise taxes on those with private insurance.

Post office does compete with UPS and USPS and DHL etc.
Also, Ford is competing with GM just fine, as is pretty much every other automaker.
I don't think it's right to leave people with no health coverage just to avoid government competing with private insurers.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Few See U.S. Health Care as 'Best in the World'

Most Americans rate the nation's health care as no better than average when compared with health care in other industrialized countries. Just 15% say health care in this country is the "best in the world," while 23% rate it as "above average"; about six-in-ten (59%) view U.S. health care as either "average" (32%) or "below average" (27%).

Pew Research = Credible
Rasmussen = Someone I won't believe because it doesn't fit my view of the world

Fixed.

 

[Xellos2099]

That statement is false by itself. Sure, government may be the on paying for the abortion but the money STILL came from tax payer. government money = tax payer money redistributed.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Few See U.S. Health Care as 'Best in the World'

Most Americans rate the nation's health care as no better than average when compared with health care in other industrialized countries. Just 15% say health care in this country is the "best in the world," while 23% rate it as "above average"; about six-in-ten (59%) view U.S. health care as either "average" (32%) or "below average" (27%).

Pew Research = Credible
Rasmussen = WSJ Right Wing Hack

Politics aside, I am curious how most Americans are able to compare health care between various nations. I'd venture to say that most have not experienced health care systems in other countries. Did the survey address that but I missed it?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Hmm, next we will see an organized defense force on US soil to ensure Obama's wishes are met.

No...next we will see an organized special Op`s force on American soil arresting idiots like you!!

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: senseamp
Yeah, so those who are happy with their plan can keep it. But we need a public option to address the problem with uninsured, and take cases where insurance companies don't want to provide coverage due to preexisting conditions and such.
I don't see why it matters if we pay for their care through taxes or through high healthcare premiums like we do now to cover unpaid hospital bills. I'd rather pay taxes to pay for preventative care than pay high premiums for ER care.

Problem is that the private sector CANNOT compete with a public option. It is simply not possible. The government makes the rules and skews the rules to help it s government backed companies (see GM tax breaks on losses).

Secondly, the government can simple PRINT MONEY to subsidize costs or just raise taxes on those with private insurance.

Post office does compete with UPS and USPS and DHL etc.

OK, I might be missing something here, but I'd like for you to carefully reread the bolded sentence you wrote and tell me what you missed.

 

[Xellos2099]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: senseamp
Yeah, so those who are happy with their plan can keep it. But we need a public option to address the problem with uninsured, and take cases where insurance companies don't want to provide coverage due to preexisting conditions and such.
I don't see why it matters if we pay for their care through taxes or through high healthcare premiums like we do now to cover unpaid hospital bills. I'd rather pay taxes to pay for preventative care than pay high premiums for ER care.

Problem is that the private sector CANNOT compete with a public option. It is simply not possible. The government makes the rules and skews the rules to help it s government backed companies (see GM tax breaks on losses).

Secondly, the government can simple PRINT MONEY to subsidize costs or just raise taxes on those with private insurance.

Post office does compete with UPS and USPS and DHL etc.
Also, Ford is competing with GM just fine, as is pretty much every other automaker.
I don't think it's right to leave people with no health coverage just to avoid government competing with private insurers.

No it doesn't only USPS are ALLOWED to delivery letters to POST BOX.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Well, there are crazies on both sides(Like those Obama Plantation activist) I guess, but violence like this should be put down. Why hasn't Obama gone on public TV and condemn any violence used by the Unions? Everyone and their mother knows he likes being on TV so I am surprised right now.

For the same reason you make nos ense when you post....

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: HomerJS
BTW - for those of you who still think this is some kind of grass roots uprising by the people its a GOP tactic that has been used before.

Remember the 2000 election recount in Florida. Well dressed angry mob shows up at a polling place to stop the recount using violence. The GOP claimed then it was just random voters but the evidence suggested otherwise

Well dressed GOP angry mob

Where exactly have you been for the past 8 years with the Democrats?
NONE of those events were "grass roots" and backed by moveon.org, codepink, or any other of the hundred of liberal groups.

Show one instance organized by any of these groups billed as grass roots and I'll consider your post more then you just trying to blow down my house of bricks.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: senseamp
Yeah, so those who are happy with their plan can keep it. But we need a public option to address the problem with uninsured, and take cases where insurance companies don't want to provide coverage due to preexisting conditions and such.
I don't see why it matters if we pay for their care through taxes or through high healthcare premiums like we do now to cover unpaid hospital bills. I'd rather pay taxes to pay for preventative care than pay high premiums for ER care.

Problem is that the private sector CANNOT compete with a public option. It is simply not possible. The government makes the rules and skews the rules to help it s government backed companies (see GM tax breaks on losses).

Secondly, the government can simple PRINT MONEY to subsidize costs or just raise taxes on those with private insurance.

Post office does compete with UPS and USPS and DHL etc.
Also, Ford is competing with GM just fine, as is pretty much every other automaker.
I don't think it's right to leave people with no health coverage just to avoid government competing with private insurers.

No it doesn't only USPS are ALLOWED to delivery letters to POST BOX.

But but but but..............

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Well, there are crazies on both sides(Like those Obama Plantation activist) I guess, but violence like this should be put down. Why hasn't Obama gone on public TV and condemn any violence used by the Unions? Everyone and their mother knows he likes being on TV so I am surprised right now.

For the same reason you make nos ense when you post....

Quoted for irony.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: FerrelGeek

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Pens1566

You do realize that "death counseling" is just providing ability to create living wills, right?

And most likely information on health care power-of-attorneys ...

Nothing wrong with either of these items as they are something that we should all be aware of. The point that people are concerned about is that death counseling may alos mean 'sorry, you're too old and too expensive to maintain. We're going to stop your treatment and give you some pills...' I'm not saying that this is part of the current bill, but I can see a day when this could be seen as an acceptable cost control measure. I don't trust our government (don't care who's running it) to manage this.

So, you're against this effort because of a piece of it that you happen to agree with is being misrepresented by the right into something ridiculous that no one could possibly be in favor of?? Got it.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: senseamp
Yeah, so those who are happy with their plan can keep it. But we need a public option to address the problem with uninsured, and take cases where insurance companies don't want to provide coverage due to preexisting conditions and such.
I don't see why it matters if we pay for their care through taxes or through high healthcare premiums like we do now to cover unpaid hospital bills. I'd rather pay taxes to pay for preventative care than pay high premiums for ER care.

Problem is that the private sector CANNOT compete with a public option. It is simply not possible. The government makes the rules and skews the rules to help it s government backed companies (see GM tax breaks on losses).

Secondly, the government can simple PRINT MONEY to subsidize costs or just raise taxes on those with private insurance.

Post office does compete with UPS and USPS and DHL etc.
Also, Ford is competing with GM just fine, as is pretty much every other automaker.
I don't think it's right to leave people with no health coverage just to avoid government competing with private insurers.

No it doesn't only USPS are ALLOWED to delivery letters to POST BOX.

Well, if you leave out that whole pesky packages part of the equation. Sure, then it fits your agenda.

UPS/FedEx do fine in that dept.

 

[Patranus]

Rutrough...

The White House struck back hard on Friday against conservative pundits and town hall protesters who have compared the President to Hitler and his policies to Nazism, saying that the critics are "on thin ice" and should "take that temperature down a bit."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...-rush-na_n_254147.html

Are they going to put me in time out?

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
The concerted efforts to disrupt and thwart discourse on matters of public concern are profoundly anti-democratic.

The Tea Bagger Shout Downs shall be met with complete and total resistance.

Mine will be passive but I do not blame others who are incited to violence by Tea Bagger Douche Baggery.

It appears to me to be nothing more than an effort at community organization. Certainly you don't have a problem with community organizing, do you?

It could also be compared to Chicago style politics. Now, we know that there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Patranus
Rutrough...

The White House struck back hard on Friday against conservative pundits and town hall protesters who have compared the President to Hitler and his policies to Nazism, saying that the critics are "on thin ice" and should "take that temperature down a bit."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...-rush-na_n_254147.html

Are they going to put me in time out?

/waits for Rush to die from a mysterious case of athlete's foot

 

[Xellos2099]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Xellos2099

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: senseamp
Yeah, so those who are happy with their plan can keep it. But we need a public option to address the problem with uninsured, and take cases where insurance companies don't want to provide coverage due to preexisting conditions and such.
I don't see why it matters if we pay for their care through taxes or through high healthcare premiums like we do now to cover unpaid hospital bills. I'd rather pay taxes to pay for preventative care than pay high premiums for ER care.

Problem is that the private sector CANNOT compete with a public option. It is simply not possible. The government makes the rules and skews the rules to help it s government backed companies (see GM tax breaks on losses).

Secondly, the government can simple PRINT MONEY to subsidize costs or just raise taxes on those with private insurance.

Post office does compete with UPS and USPS and DHL etc.
Also, Ford is competing with GM just fine, as is pretty much every other automaker.
I don't think it's right to leave people with no health coverage just to avoid government competing with private insurers.

No it doesn't only USPS are ALLOWED to delivery letters to POST BOX.

Well, if you leave out that whole pesky packages part of the equation. Sure, then it fits your agenda.

UPS/FedEx do fine in that dept.

USPS - letters, packages

UPS - packages

Fedex - packages

DHS- packages

USPS is the only entity in US that are allowed to delivery letters and they are losing money in it.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Mine will be passive but I do not blame others who are incited to violence by Tea Bagger Douche Baggery.

I missed this the first time around. So, you have no problem with people who resort to violence as long as they support your worldview? Noted.

Are there any Democrats out there willing to claim you, or are you a loner? Do you consider yourself representative of your party?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: HomerJS
I read the article by the St. Louis Post Dispatch and nowhere in the article did it say Mr. Gladney was attacked by union members. The only people spreading that rumors are kooks on conservative web sites and blogs.

i guess the dudes wearing the blue SEIU shirts and getting handcuffed were just swatting mosquitoes off Gladney... :roll:

You are mis-representing the truth.....their was no SEIU logo or even the mention of SEIU visble on those shirts.....

 

[Pens1566]

And the original comment was that private can't compete with public because of govt. backing. So, taking the letters part out since its a no go ... seems that in the one market they all play in that private does just fine. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: HomerJS
I read the article by the St. Louis Post Dispatch and nowhere in the article did it say Mr. Gladney was attacked by union members. The only people spreading that rumors are kooks on conservative web sites and blogs.

i guess the dudes wearing the blue SEIU shirts and getting handcuffed were just swatting mosquitoes off Gladney... :roll:

You are mis-representing the truth.....their was no SEIU logo or even the mention of SEIU visble on those shirts.....

Are you high or blind?

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: HomerJS
I read the article by the St. Louis Post Dispatch and nowhere in the article did it say Mr. Gladney was attacked by union members. The only people spreading that rumors are kooks on conservative web sites and blogs.

BTW - I've noticed other then this guy KG and the ones who attacked him, there has been an obvious lack of a minority presence at these town halls that are rife with shouting, disruptions and threats. I know the GOP and Fox are trying to label these people as part of random grass roots movement. Looking at the crowds it appears a segment of the population is being recruited by organized right wing groups.

Looks like the same people at the McCain/Palin rallys.

It is true. My family was at the Town Hall Event in Tampa. Union Thugs forced their way in to the hall in large numbers and filled most of the available seats. If you watch the youtube video of the conflict, the bald guy is a union thug.

 

[Stuxnet]

"Democ" has long since overstayed its welcome in Democrat. Good to see the Obama administration and the SEIU making it official.