Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[TerryMathews]

That's true.

That has nothing to do with his statement. Like I said, you apparently think that claiming it was self-defense means his statement of events is the starting point.

That isn't correct. The claim of self-defense is a legality that requires particular legal standards. It isn't a statement of fact, or any kind of evidence.

His statement is evidence, to be evaluated or disregarded, to any degree, at the discretion of whoever is looking at the facts.

In Florida, self defense is not an affirmative defense. Ergo, to prove murder the state must prove that it was not lawful self defense.

 

[soundforbjt]

One punch is enough to prove assault. This isn't Boardwalk Empire, you don't get one for free.

If you're assaulted/confronted first you do, it's called self defense. You know, what Z is claiming for himself.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

HOW did she hear it if the hands free kit was in Martins pocket? That's where the evidence technician logged it. Presumably they dusted it for finger prints, proving Zimmerman didn't plant it. So, again, how did she hear the confrontation from Martin's pocket?

Don't forget that DeeDee wouldn't talk while under crumponite care for like two weeks, as they slowly brainwashed into saying whatever required.

 

[lotus503]

Known evidence does not even leave a possibility of it being murder.

It literally CANNOT be murder once Trayvon is on top of Zimmerman beating his head on concrete, holding him down.

Only a fucking idiot would deny that this happened.

John recounted nothing, he nuanced his testimony and it didn't really change much.

GZ had the injuries to match what he describes, which also happens to match ballistics, and witness testimony.

Shut the fuck up, my god people are fucking stupid about this case. Drop the emotional bullshit, and admit that murder isn't even on the table. Never was. Not wanting this to go to trial at all is the only logical position, or lawful position.

It is truly disheartening that ignorant fucktards can get the law ignored if they cry loudly enough. Horrible, horrible precedent.

Full Spidey, Only a fucking idiot thinks he knows all the facts without all the facts released.

You dont know anything other than whats has been tossed around here for months, which amounts to Jackshit without your conjecture smeared all over it.

You are just likle Tasha and Jking, only alot fucking more wordy.

 

[lotus503]

In Florida, self defense is not an affirmative defense. Ergo, to prove murder the state must prove that it was not lawful self defense.

and yet he is charged with murder, charges have not been dismissed despite this being a clear cut case of people wanting it to be self defense.

 

[Geosurface]

The fact that he carried the gun every day is precisely why he was able to not be conscious of its presence.

He is charged with murder due to racism, ignorance, mythos around case, threat of blacks rioting. Believe this.

 

[classy]

Don't forget that DeeDee wouldn't talk while under crumponite care for like two weeks, as they slowly brainwashed into saying whatever required.

Did you ever consider that maybe she is telling the truth? You believe the words of man who we know is a liar...................

 

[lotus503]

The fact that he carried the gun every day is precisely why he was able to not be conscious of its presence.

He is charged with murder due to racism, ignorance, mythos around case, threat of blacks rioting. Believe this.

I dont believe it, while I think politics played a role, I also think the state thinks they have the evidence.

because a few windbags on forums dont agree doesnt make it so.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

and yet he is charged with murder, charges have not been dismissed despite this being a clear cut case of people wanting it to be self defense.

Yes, he has been charged with 2 degree murder not because there's evidence to prove so but due to a judge taking an arrest affidavit at face value and nothing more. At this point the evidence doesn't back up the arrest affidavit.

 

[lotus503]

Don't forget that DeeDee wouldn't talk while under crumponite care for like two weeks, as they slowly brainwashed into saying whatever required.

She has call logs, they will tell whether she was on the phone with him when this occured, what you think doesnt matter at all.

 

[lotus503]

Yes, he has been charged with 2 degree murder not because there's evidence to prove so but due to a judge taking an arrest affidavit at face value and nothing more. At this point the evidence doesn't back up the arrest affidavit.

Lester didnt think so, the new judge could toss it out but hasnt done so at this point.

What we have is your opinion on the evidence, without seeing all of it.

Which you are entitled to, just as everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I don't believe the prosecution has any damning evidence or MOM would have worked out the best deal possible and this case would be done.

 

[TerryMathews]

If you're assaulted/confronted first you do, it's called self defense. You know, what Z is claiming for himself.

Your statement doesn't even make sense.

 

[TerryMathews]

She has call logs, they will tell whether she was on the phone with him when this occured, what you think doesnt matter at all.

Yes, they will prove it. Could go either way. At least you acknowledge the possibility she is lying.

 

[TerryMathews]

and yet he is charged with murder, charges have not been dismissed despite this being a clear cut case of people wanting it to be self defense.

You do acknowledge the burden is solely on the prosecution, right? You have in the past.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Lester didnt think so, the new judge could toss it out but hasnt done so at this point.

I still think Judge Lester did things to ensure he was recused as he didn't want to be the evil judge that followed Florida law/statutes and grant immunity to GZ.


The case will have to wait until the evidentiary (immunity) trial before the new judge will listen to any arguments and/or weigh any evidence.

 

[TerryMathews]

You can add http://www.netwares.com to the list of cheap refill sites. Pretty good service. You can save a lot of money going the refill route, especially if you do quite a bit of color photo printing.

There hasn't yet been an evidentiary hearing.

 

[lotus503]

You do acknowledge the burden is solely on the prosecution, right? You have in the past.

Of course it is, I do think at an immunity hearing the burden is on the defense, I could be wrong.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

She has call logs, they will tell whether she was on the phone with him when this occured, what you think doesnt matter at all.

Um, no one is arguing that she wasn't on the phone with him... Just that her statements are extremely questionable considering the circumstances... Even the crumptonite crew acknowledged they "had" a witness to what happened that night, and this was before she was questioned by investigators.

So... the attacker's lawyer has a witness in his custody, who he keeps away from investigators for almost two weeks before she comes up with this story? ROFL full of facts, I'm sure.


....Or are the phone records in the same place as trayvon's burglary and school records? Being a minor, can they somehow keep this stuff out the media?

 

[Geosurface]

Deedee probably heard TM express an intent to go beat that fool's ass. She probably even egged him on to it. This explains the guilt she felt and testified to feeling.

This explains not calling police that night, or contacting anyone. This explains not talking to investigators for weeks after the incident, and even outright refusing to, hiding behind Crump until properly coached.

This is expected behavior thanks to the code of silence and unified front against police and rightful justice maintained by a very large swath of the black community, as talked about here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ796Ay2SyQ

 

[lotus503]

Um, no one is arguing that she wasn't on the phone with him... Just that her statements are extremely questionable considering the circumstances... Even the crumptonite crew acknowledged they "had" a witness to what happened that night, and this was before she was questioned by investigators.

So... the attacker's lawyer has a witness in his custody, who he keeps away from investigators for almost two weeks before she comes up with this story? ROFL full of facts, I'm sure.


....Or are the phone records in the same place as trayvon's burglary and school records? Being a minor, can they somehow keep this stuff out the media?

A jury or judge will determine the truthfulness of her statements, what you and geo think doesn't master. I suspect both will put heavy weight on her testimony as she is the last person to speak with him and have any idea of what occurred.

Fact is crump and martins folks contacted her based on martins phone records, I have not heard anyone make statements police tried to contact her prior and she refused to speak with them.

What I understand the facts to be only after crump and the martins reported they had a witness did the police even reach out.

 

[lotus503]

Deedee probably heard TM express an intent to go beat that fool's ass. She probably even egged him on to it. This explains the guilt she felt and testified to feeling.

This explains not calling police that night, or contacting anyone. This explains not talking to investigators for weeks after the incident, and even outright refusing to, hiding behind Crump until properly coached.

This is expected behavior thanks to the code of silence and unified front against police and rightful justice maintained by a very large swath of the black community, as talked about here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ796Ay2SyQ

Your looking more and more like spidey the bigot with each post.

 

[spidey07]

She refused to talk to police. Flat out refused their requests.

 

[lotus503]

She refused to talk to police. Flat out refused their requests.

Link it

 

[Tom]

Um, no one is arguing that she wasn't on the phone with him... Just that her statements are extremely questionable considering the circumstances... Even the crumptonite crew acknowledged they "had" a witness to what happened that night, and this was before she was questioned by investigators.

So... the attacker's lawyer has a witness in his custody, who he keeps away from investigators for almost two weeks before she comes up with this story? ROFL full of facts, I'm sure.


....Or are the phone records in the same place as trayvon's burglary and school records? Being a minor, can they somehow keep this stuff out the media?

Her statements are only "extremely questionable" if you have some sort of bias that makes you want her statements to be untrue.

Other than that, there's no reason to question her statements any more than the other witnesses, who by the way, at least one has materially changed his story already.

And a lot less reason to question than Zimmerman's obviously self-serving statements.