Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[spidey07]

I implied no such thing. She refused to talk to police or provide any information to their investigation. It's only your racism making you believe something that isn't there.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Lotus, keep on with your totally made-up accusations, in your continued smear campaign on anyone who supports charging people based ONLY on evidence instead of emotional bias.

 

[lotus503]

How it started doesn't matter. Martin on top after beating zimmerman restraining him and/or still beating him = OK to shoot in self defense according to law. This is fact, proven by evidence.

You keep saying that, yet he is charged with murder 2. It's obvious the state doesn't agree with your interpretation of the law.

Most people are waiting for all of the evidence prior to making a final determination. You and the merry band of bigots from both sides are the only folks that aren't.

 

[xj0hnx]

Did you ever consider that maybe she is telling the truth? You believe the words of man who we know is a liar...................

No, not even for a second. Her postings that night, and the next day on Twitter, and Instagram prove her statements are lies.

 

[lotus503]

Lotus, keep on with your totally made-up accusations, in your continued smear campaign on anyone who supports charging people based ONLY on evidence instead of emotional bias.

I consider placing an arbitrary ever changing value in jewelry to be emotional bias.

 

[Geosurface]

Dude who do you think you are?

I'm a white American male, formerly liberal who has located my balls. It's a rare thing these days, but let's hope it's a trend.

If certain elements (huge elements which represent the majority) of the black community continue down the path of trying to subvert the justice system in order to have their ignorant, vengeful desires appeased... or try to dismantle the framework of law which allows a person to defend their life and property from Trayvon-types who plague this country with violent crime then you can expect this trend to continue, and accelerate.

If I were a black man, this is the part where you'd be calling me an Uncle Tom. Since I'm white, you'll have to settle for "racist", have at it. Let it all out, but at the end of the day it'll still be the truth which I've said.

 

[xj0hnx]

You keep saying that, yet he is charged with murder 2. It's obvious the state doesn't agree with your interpretation of the law.

Most people are waiting for all of the evidence prior to making a final determination. You and the merry band of bigots from both sides are the only folks that aren't.

He was also previously charged with assaulting a police officer, how'd that turn out? Being accused, and charged doesn't make someone guilty. It's hilarious watching people that if this case was the other way, and not racially charged would be all over that same it.

 

[lotus503]

I implied no such thing. She refused to talk to police or provide any information to their investigation. It's only your racism making you believe something that isn't there.

Bullshit you have stated multiple occasions exactly why you think deedee didn't talk to SPD.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I disagree, if she testifies she heard Martin yelling "get off" it's going to pose problems for Zimmerman.

She didn't see GZ on top of TM, in fact no one saw GZ touch TM or for that matter being on top of him. Two eye witnesses place TM on top of GZ just prior to the shot being fired, one of which saw this just 15 to 20 seconds before the shot.

Even if you could prove that GZ was the aggressor, the witness that places TM on top of GZ also stated that GZ was struggling to get himself free. This would allow GZ to regain his right to self defense and be covered by Florida Statute 776.041.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I consider placing an arbitrary ever changing value in jewelry to be emotional bias.

Do we really need to go through this again?

Initial reports from the crumponites is that it was costume flea market jewelry.. But official reports from the school (which the crumptonite crew was able to have pulled ONLY because trayvon is a minor) stated that the jewelry was "real gold, with real diamonds"

Unlike you and the crumponite crew, I am fully willing to change my opinion as facts come out, and this was a perfect example. The jewelry wasn't even a big deal until we got an idea of the true value (especially when combined with the burglary issues in that little neighborhood). I still am curious if miami ever follow up with sanford PD to see if the jewelry matches....

 

[lotus503]

He was also previously charged with assaulting a police officer, how'd that turn out? Being accused, and charged doesn't make someone guilty. It's hilarious watching people that if this case was the other way, and not racially charged would be all over that same it.

Way to completely miss the point. Being charged isn't an indication of guilt, it is however an indication the state disagrees there is no evidence of guilt.

 

[spidey07]

Way to completely miss the point. Being charged isn't an indication of guilt, it is however an indication the state disagrees there is no evidence of guilt.

The affidavit clearly did not indicate Murder2 or probable cause.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

No you infer because she wouldn't speak to SPD that her statements are less truthful. Truth is there are really good reasons for not giving them a statement given the situation at the time.

You imply it was because she was told not to, of which you have no evidence.

You imply she was coached, again no evidence.

What good reason does she have, to not call the police when she 'supposedly' knew trayvon was getting viciously attacked by an unknown man? What person wouldn't call 911 after hearing what she supposedly heart?

It's implied that she was told not to because there's NO other logical reason for her not coming out. The crumptonite crew even outright said that they were 'holding' her...... Right. Again, think with some logic here.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Way to completely miss the point. Being charged isn't an indication of guilt, it is however an indication the state disagrees there is no evidence of guilt.

Yet, none of the evidence or witness statements corroborate the charges in the affidavit. If the state had any damning evidence this case MOM would have already gotten GZ the best plea deal possible.

 

[lotus503]

Do we really need to go through this again?

Initial reports from the crumponites is that it was costume flea market jewelry.. But official reports from the school (which the crumptonite crew was able to have pulled ONLY because trayvon is a minor) stated that the jewelry was "real gold, with real diamonds"

Unlike you and the crumponite crew, I am fully willing to change my opinion as facts come out, and this was a perfect example. The jewelry wasn't even a big deal until we got an idea of the true value (especially when combined with the burglary issues in that little neighborhood). I still am curious if miami ever follow up with sanford PD to see if the jewelry matches....

Then you take it a step further and post the value if the jewelry, then increase it over and over again. Then claim there have been no more crimes, when proven wrong about that, flounder around.

School officials are not qualified to determine real or fake Jewelry.

 

[lotus503]

I'm a white American male, formerly liberal who has located my balls. It's a rare thing these days, but let's hope it's a trend.

If certain elements (huge elements which represent the majority) of the black community continue down the path of trying to subvert the justice system in order to have their ignorant, vengeful desires appeased... or try to dismantle the framework of law which allows a person to defend their life and property from Trayvon-types who plague this country with violent crime then you can expect this trend to continue, and accelerate.

If I were a black man, this is the part where you'd be calling me an Uncle Tom. Since I'm white, you'll have to settle for "racist", have at it. Let it all out, but at the end of the day it'll still be the truth which I've said.

Ahh perfect the most telling post of all.

" former liberal"

Ideologies are a set of principles one subscribes to they are guided by your worldview. If you are insinuating this case has changed that worldview then you were weak in principle to begin with. In short you were never liberal at all.

 

[lotus503]

Yet, none of the evidence or witness statements corroborate the charges in the affidavit. If the state had any damning evidence this case MOM would have already gotten GZ the best plea deal possible.

I disagree, Lester disagreed he said the state has a strong case. We just have to wait and see the rest of it presented to see if it meets legal burden.

 

[lotus503]

What good reason does she have, to not call the police when she 'supposedly' knew trayvon was getting viciously attacked by an unknown man? What person wouldn't call 911 after hearing what she supposedly heart?

It's implied that she was told not to because there's NO other logical reason for her not coming out. The crumptonite crew even outright said that they were 'holding' her...... Right. Again, think with some logic here.

Did she say she heard Martin being viciously attacked? I missed that part.

 

[lotus503]

The affidavit clearly did not indicate Murder2 or probable cause.

The judge at the time thought it did.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Ahh perfect the most telling post of all.

" former liberal"

Ideologies are a set of principles one subscribes to they are guided by your worldview. If you are insinuating this case has changed that worldview then you were weak in principle to begin with. In short you were never liberal at all.

Aww man geo, I guess you've been kicked out of the group for not mindlessly following their principles.

The irony of your post is just amazing.. That you can type something like this out and not realize what a disgrace you are to yourself.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The judge at the time thought it did.

No, the judge accepted the affidavit without review.

 

[lotus503]

Aww man geo, I guess you've been kicked out of the group for not mindlessly following their principles.

The irony of your post is just amazing.. That you can type something like this out and not realize what a disgrace you are to yourself.

So allowing a single Incident of which you have no direct involvement to change your worldview is not odd.

It's not whether or not he subscribes to a set of values that's the issue, I don't care what he labels himself. It's that allowing interactions on a message board in a case you have no direct involvement to change your worldview.

That implies weak convictions to start with.

Only in cookoo land is ones worldview a team sport or a club you get kicked out of.

 

[lotus503]

No, the judge accepted the affidavit without review.

So Lester just stamped it, didn't read it?

I don't buy that at all

 

[soundforbjt]

He was also previously charged with assaulting a police officer, how'd that turn out? Being accused, and charged doesn't make someone guilty. It's hilarious watching people that if this case was the other way, and not racially charged would be all over that same it.

But he was guilty and pled out and used a diversion program to get it off his record.

 

[TerryMathews]

So Lester just stamped it, didn't read it?

I don't buy that at all

We've been through this a few times now. Just like the request for recusal, the affidavit was accepted with the facts within taken at face value.

Why else do you think derschowitz was tearing it apart?