Ultimate fighter vs. Navy Seal- who wins?

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: JDawg1536
LOL where do you get off telling people they are idiots? What is your SEAL experience and knowledge? An hour long special on the military channel?

where do i get off? history.

Seals have tried to cross over into MMA (Wolff) and they have lost fights.

Lol well maybe you need to go back to school. The Wolff brothers are 7-3 and 2-0 in MMA. Then there are Brian Stann and Brandon Vera, ex military. What do you think the military does after they complete basic training (or for SEALs the 30 month training)? Do you think everyone sits around and says, "man basic training was hard 10 years ago"? They train all the time. For those who make a career of it, they train for over 20 years!

again he lost. 3 times. And has yet to hit the top talent. BUT i do expect them both to be damn good. they have the history (both have been in martial arts from a very young age..like a LOT of mma fighters).

I'm not saying SEALs would flounder and do bad in MMA. i am saying that (unlike you) that MMA fighters have a damn good chance against a SEAL.

MOST MMA fighters (like seals) train long hours for years. but unlike SEALS they don't train for everything. A MMA fighter just trains for fighting thats it. where a SEAL has a ton of other shit they need to be experts in.

Unlike me? Lol alright man.

Check out the Modern Army Combatives Program.

 

[sonambulo]

Pew! Pew! Pew!

Hay guys wats goin on in this thread?

 

[marchenko]

MACP is a joke compared to the SCARS institute in Arizona...look it up soldier...wanna fight like a SEAL? check it

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: marchenko
MACP is a joke compared to the SCARS institute in Arizona...look it up soldier...wanna fight like a SEAL? check it

I know all about it man. But MACP is based off of a lot of MMA training, and its pretty entry level. Im not saying its bad ass, Im saying thats the basic hand to hand training. It gets much more advanced.

 

[marchenko]

Navy SEAL operatives are trained for anything...most opposition special forces are trained in some form of MMA so SEALs are trained to handle it...ive tried to tell all on here to google the SCARS institute in ARizona which trains high level military and government agencies including top level SEALS(DEVGRU) and Delta co. to name a few...if you research deep enough into it, SCARS addresses MMA forms and discounts them....

 

[jjzelinski]

Jesus christ, this thread is still going after 500 POSTS???

You realize this is the teenage equivalent to "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin", right?

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Jesus christ, this thread is still going after 500 POSTS???

You realize this is the teenage equivalent to "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin", right?

Everyone knows that's 3,432

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Jesus christ, this thread is still going after 500 POSTS???

You realize this is the teenage equivalent to "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin", right?

More like Spock vs Dr. Who.

 

[sourceninja]

My god, isn't it obvious Dr. Who all the way???!!???!!!?!??!?!?!??!?!

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: JDawg1536

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Jesus christ, this thread is still going after 500 POSTS???

You realize this is the teenage equivalent to "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin", right?

Everyone knows that's 3,432

Only if they fold their wings.

 

[marchenko]

Im an ex-Marine and grew up in VA. BEach-home of 3 SEAL team units including DEVGRU(google it) the ultra secret counterterrorism unit known as SEAL team 6-and know a few SEALs and im telling you these guys dont give a F about MMA...these guys can use the energy of their opposition and kill with split second timing with the confidence and aggression not found in any MMA dude..no rules..no hype..no refs...a fight is life or death for a SPECOPS soldier!!!

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: marchenko
Im an ex-Marine and grew up in VA. BEach-home of 3 SEAL team units including DEVGRU(google it) the ultra secret counterterrorism unit known as SEAL team 6-and know a few SEALs and im telling you these guys dont give a F about MMA...these guys can use the energy of their opposition and kill with split second timing with the confidence and aggression not found in any MMA dude..no rules..no hype..no refs...a fight is life or death for a SPECOPS soldier!!!

*sigh*.....

 

[Jules]

Fedor by whatever he wants.

/thread

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: JDawg1536
LOL where do you get off telling people they are idiots? What is your SEAL experience and knowledge? An hour long special on the military channel?

Dude I would, I mean SRSLY; learn those requirements yourself before you start defending them...

The 30 month deal you can google is a mistake in what's 30 weeks IMHO...now if they are talking post-SEAL specialties or how long it takes a SEAL to be really valuable then I'd say 3-4 years of service would make for a better soldier.

..:: BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition / SEAL) - Naval Special Warfare Center ::..

BUD/S Basic PT SEAL training is extremely demanding, both mentally and physically, and produces the world's best maritime warriors. Our focus during this training is based on three core pillars:

* Men of Character: The nature of our mission requires men who will uphold the Navy Core Values - Honor, Courage, and Commitment.

* Physical: The nature of our mission also requires men who are physically fit and capable in every environment, especially the water.

* Technical: Finally, maritime Special Operations require men who are intelligent and can quickly learn new tasks.

BUD/S Naval Special Warfare Training - Following basic training at Recruit Training Command, Great Lakes, IL, and the NSW Preparation Course, Great Lakes, IL, you will begin Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) Training in Coronado, CA. This six-month course of instruction will focus on physical conditioning, small boat handling, diving physics, basic diving techniques, land warfare, weapons, demolitions, communications, and reconnaissance.


Swimming in BUD/S First Phase (Basic Conditioning) - 7 weeks - First Phase trains, develops, and assesses SEAL candidates in physical conditioning, water competency, teamwork, and mental tenacity. This phase is eight weeks long. Physical conditioning with running, swimming, and calisthenics grows harder and harder as the weeks progress. You will participate in weekly four mile timed runs in boots, timed obstacle courses, swim distances up to two miles wearing fins in the ocean, and learn small boat seamanship.


Hell Week The first three weeks of First Phase will prepare you for the fourth week, better known as "Hell Week." During this week, you will participate in five and one-half days of continuous training, with a maximum of four hours sleep total. This week is designed as the ultimate test of one's physical and mental motivation while in First Phase. Hell Week proves to those who make it that the human body can do ten times the amount of work the average man thinks possible. During Hell Week, you will learn the value of cool headedness, perseverance, and above all, TEAMWORK. The remaining four weeks are devoted to teaching various methods of conducting hydrographic surveys and how to create a hydrographic chart.


Dive TrainingSecond Phase (Diving) - 8 weeks - Diving Phase trains, develops, and qualifies SEAL candidates as competent basic combat swimmers. This phase is eight weeks long. During this period, physical training continues and becomes even more intensive. Second Phase concentrates on combat SCUBA. You will learn two types of SCUBA: open circuit (compressed air) and closed circuit (100% oxygen). Emphasis is placed on long distance underwater dives with the goal of training students to become basic combat divers, using swimming and diving techniques as a means of transportation from their launch point to their combat objective. This is a skill that separates SEALs from all other Special Operations forces.


San Clemente Island Training FacilityThird Phase (Land Warfare) - 9 weeks - Third Phase trains, develops, and qualifies SEAL candidates in basic weapons, demolition, and small unit tactics. This phase of training is nine weeks in length. Physical training continues to become more strenuous as the run distance increases and the minimum passing times are lowered for the runs, swims, and obstacle course. Third Phase concentrates on teaching land navigation, small-unit tactics, patrolling techniques, rappelling, marksmanship, and military explosives. The final three and a half weeks of Third Phase are spent on San Clemente Island, where students apply all the techniques they have acquired during training.

BUD/S Training Timeline

* Indoctrination (3 weeks)
* Basic Conditioning (7 weeks)
* Diving (8 weeks)
* Land Warfare (9 weeks
* ) Basic Parachute Training (3 weeks)
* Receive Naval Special Warfare Classification - (NEC) Code

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: TehMac
This thread is retarded. Try putting an MMA fighter in the same situation as a SEAL, he'll end up crapping his pants day three.

I don't pretend to know exactly everything like some people in this thread, but instead of arguing out of your ass for the sake of not looking like a fool, try to take a breath, and realize there are more important things in life than arguing about hypotheticalities.

(alkemyst).

and i don't think anyone is saying (well maybe alky but he is nuts) that a MMA fighter could do a seals job. to expect that is just insane. hell there are very few in the world that can do it.

some are saying that SEALs are not the end all be all for HAND TO HAND. put a seal in a CAGE with a MMA fighter and the MMA guy has a damn good chance.

now you throw them out on the street with no rules? yeah diffrent story.

didn't say or ever imply an MMA fighter can do what a SEAL does....

I am talking about fresh out of BUD/S SEALS though and even those at the end of their first term of service. Most will get fully served in hand to hand by any professional fighter.

People relate to the movies were a SEAL is going up against an army of ninjas but in reality they are staying low-profile for the most part and if they do encounter soldiers, they are going to be typical ones like a 19 year old with a RPG and 1911.

Many MMA fighters choose fighting because it was essential to their livelihood and survival....some do it just for future fame.

There are many though that know how to kill instantly if they were seeking that goal and not following some rule set.

I am not saying becoming a SEAL is easy, but the conditioning is really more one at a mental level than a physical one. They are looking for those that are above average that can stay at that level in the worst of surroundings/conditions.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Depends on the situation and the context. It also depends on things like intellect. Both MMAs and SEALs are both trained to improvise, thing is, SEALs are trained to use their environment, they are incredibly badass. I met a SEAL who showed me how to kill someone with a credit card (No bull shit, although feel free to call it).

That's just like a 5 year old being amazed when his uncle pulls a quarter out of his ear.

In self defense you learn how to use all sorts of common objects around you to help equalize a situation should someone come at you armed.

 

[MBrown]

SEALs

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: marchenko
Navy SEAL operatives are trained for anything...most opposition special forces are trained in some form of MMA so SEALs are trained to handle it...ive tried to tell all on here to google the SCARS institute in ARizona which trains high level military and government agencies including top level SEALS(DEVGRU) and Delta co. to name a few...if you research deep enough into it, SCARS addresses MMA forms and discounts them....

So what rank Google are you? LOL9?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: marchenko
Navy SEAL operatives are trained for anything...most opposition special forces are trained in some form of MMA so SEALs are trained to handle it...ive tried to tell all on here to google the SCARS institute in ARizona which trains high level military and government agencies including top level SEALS(DEVGRU) and Delta co. to name a few...if you research deep enough into it, SCARS addresses MMA forms and discounts them....

S.C.A.R.S. had been discontinued for 10 years.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: marchenko
Im an ex-Marine and grew up in VA. BEach-home of 3 SEAL team units including DEVGRU(google it) the ultra secret counterterrorism unit known as SEAL team 6-and know a few SEALs and im telling you these guys dont give a F about MMA...these guys can use the energy of their opposition and kill with split second timing with the confidence and aggression not found in any MMA dude..no rules..no hype..no refs...a fight is life or death for a SPECOPS soldier!!!

DEVDRU is not ultra secret anymore than the army's DELTA force is. They are mostly intelligence though not out duking it out with Osama,

All DEVGRU is trained in Virginia Beach though, I am not sure why you included you were in a beach house with them.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: marchenko
Im an ex-Marine and grew up in VA. BEach-home of 3 SEAL team units including DEVGRU(google it) the ultra secret counterterrorism unit known as SEAL team 6-and know a few SEALs and im telling you these guys dont give a F about MMA...these guys can use the energy of their opposition and kill with split second timing with the confidence and aggression not found in any MMA dude..no rules..no hype..no refs...a fight is life or death for a SPECOPS soldier!!!

DEVDRU is not ultra secret anymore than the army's DELTA force is. They are mostly intelligence though not out duking it out with Osama,

All DEVGRU is trained in Virginia Beach though, I am not sure why you included you were in a beach house with them.

because it is "ultra secret", yeah you heard him right, there is a level of clearance called ultra secret, big whoop wanna fight about it?

 

[KMc]

In a fight, a MMA fighter must force his opponent into submission or risk losing.

In a fight, a Navy Seal must kill or be killed.

Motivation wins.

Navy Seal.

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: JDawg1536
LOL where do you get off telling people they are idiots? What is your SEAL experience and knowledge? An hour long special on the military channel?

Dude I would, I mean SRSLY; learn those requirements yourself before you start defending them...

The 30 month deal you can google is a mistake in what's 30 weeks IMHO...now if they are talking post-SEAL specialties or how long it takes a SEAL to be really valuable then I'd say 3-4 years of service would make for a better soldier.

..:: BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition / SEAL) - Naval Special Warfare Center ::..

BUD/S Basic PT SEAL training is extremely demanding, both mentally and physically, and produces the world's best maritime warriors. Our focus during this training is based on three core pillars:

* Men of Character: The nature of our mission requires men who will uphold the Navy Core Values - Honor, Courage, and Commitment.

* Physical: The nature of our mission also requires men who are physically fit and capable in every environment, especially the water.

* Technical: Finally, maritime Special Operations require men who are intelligent and can quickly learn new tasks.

BUD/S Naval Special Warfare Training - Following basic training at Recruit Training Command, Great Lakes, IL, and the NSW Preparation Course, Great Lakes, IL, you will begin Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) Training in Coronado, CA. This six-month course of instruction will focus on physical conditioning, small boat handling, diving physics, basic diving techniques, land warfare, weapons, demolitions, communications, and reconnaissance.


Swimming in BUD/S First Phase (Basic Conditioning) - 7 weeks - First Phase trains, develops, and assesses SEAL candidates in physical conditioning, water competency, teamwork, and mental tenacity. This phase is eight weeks long. Physical conditioning with running, swimming, and calisthenics grows harder and harder as the weeks progress. You will participate in weekly four mile timed runs in boots, timed obstacle courses, swim distances up to two miles wearing fins in the ocean, and learn small boat seamanship.


Hell Week The first three weeks of First Phase will prepare you for the fourth week, better known as "Hell Week." During this week, you will participate in five and one-half days of continuous training, with a maximum of four hours sleep total. This week is designed as the ultimate test of one's physical and mental motivation while in First Phase. Hell Week proves to those who make it that the human body can do ten times the amount of work the average man thinks possible. During Hell Week, you will learn the value of cool headedness, perseverance, and above all, TEAMWORK. The remaining four weeks are devoted to teaching various methods of conducting hydrographic surveys and how to create a hydrographic chart.


Dive TrainingSecond Phase (Diving) - 8 weeks - Diving Phase trains, develops, and qualifies SEAL candidates as competent basic combat swimmers. This phase is eight weeks long. During this period, physical training continues and becomes even more intensive. Second Phase concentrates on combat SCUBA. You will learn two types of SCUBA: open circuit (compressed air) and closed circuit (100% oxygen). Emphasis is placed on long distance underwater dives with the goal of training students to become basic combat divers, using swimming and diving techniques as a means of transportation from their launch point to their combat objective. This is a skill that separates SEALs from all other Special Operations forces.


San Clemente Island Training FacilityThird Phase (Land Warfare) - 9 weeks - Third Phase trains, develops, and qualifies SEAL candidates in basic weapons, demolition, and small unit tactics. This phase of training is nine weeks in length. Physical training continues to become more strenuous as the run distance increases and the minimum passing times are lowered for the runs, swims, and obstacle course. Third Phase concentrates on teaching land navigation, small-unit tactics, patrolling techniques, rappelling, marksmanship, and military explosives. The final three and a half weeks of Third Phase are spent on San Clemente Island, where students apply all the techniques they have acquired during training.

BUD/S Training Timeline

* Indoctrination (3 weeks)
* Basic Conditioning (7 weeks)
* Diving (8 weeks)
* Land Warfare (9 weeks
* ) Basic Parachute Training (3 weeks)
* Receive Naval Special Warfare Classification - (NEC) Code

Dude you are seriously retarded. That is BUDs. The first letter "B" standing for BASIC.

"BUD/S should be seen as the SEAL?s boot camp"

There is no spec ops in the US military that would deploy someone with only 30 weeks of training. And again, you wouldn't make it past day 1 of their "easy requirements".

 

[Modelworks]

I have a cousin that is a SEAL . Really nice guy. He is also a chaplain. I asked him isn't that a conflict of interest ? He said, No, I can shoot someone and give them last rites !

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: marchenko
Im an ex-Marine and grew up in VA. BEach-home of 3 SEAL team units including DEVGRU(google it) the ultra secret counterterrorism unit known as SEAL team 6-and know a few SEALs and im telling you these guys dont give a F about MMA...these guys can use the energy of their opposition and kill with split second timing with the confidence and aggression not found in any MMA dude..no rules..no hype..no refs...a fight is life or death for a SPECOPS soldier!!!

DEVDRU is not ultra secret anymore than the army's DELTA force is. They are mostly intelligence though not out duking it out with Osama,

All DEVGRU is trained in Virginia Beach though, I am not sure why you included you were in a beach house with them.

Who told you all of this? Google?