I'd like to know how that would be possible, because in full mount/guard all your limbs are isolated (unless they train to kick with their penis). Also, just because you are "taught" to use "lethal" or "dirty" strikes doesn't mean the mma fighter wont' catch on and while he's on top of you easily poke his opponnents' eyes out.
I'd like to know how that would be possible, because in full mount/guard all your limbs are isolated (unless they train to kick with their penis). Also, just because you are "taught" to use "lethal" or "dirty" strikes doesn't mean the mma fighter wont' catch on and while he's on top of you easily poke his opponnents' eyes out.
Fenixgoon
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i gotta say, the mental imagery that some people have of being god-among-men-killing-machines is hilarious. i'm not saying the seal *can't* win, i'm saying that the amount of hand to hand experience and training for a UFC fighter is significantly higher than a SEAL. and if you ever watch UFC, they're ready to kill the other person, quite literally. the only thing holding them back are the rules.
SEAL fanboys, have you heard of Sport Specificity? It's a scientific theory that states that if you want to be good at something you train only for that specific sport/action. Very rarely do specific skills translate into other sports/activities. Navy SEALS are taught to survive in cold water, swim, and mostly use rifles to kill enemies. So maybe 100 hours of hand to hand.
MMA people are taught specifically hand to hand combat. 5000+ (wouldnt' be surprised if the elite trained 10k) hours of training for experienced fighters.
MMA people are taught specifically hand to hand combat. 5000+ (wouldnt' be surprised if the elite trained 10k) hours of training for experienced fighters.
UDT89
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which ultimate fighter are we talking about? are we talking royce gracie or dan severn or one of the posers that fights now? I'm not knocking all current fighters, like fedor, belfort, etc....but some of these guys are not "ultimate fighters" just guys looking to make a score in the sport and become famous.
Like the whole thing with that guy from youtube, his name escapes me, but I said from day one he would ruin UFC. And after his terrible short lived career it showed that not everyone should be classified as a UF. Especially that guy, UF is a title that you must earn not just get b/c you have a mean face and like to punch a lot.
I'm on the fence with this one. A SEAL's conditioning would let him win 80% of the fights, since most UF are well conditioned, not all are SEAL conditioned. Then from there it just comes down to skills. And a TRUE ultimate fighter would pick up the SEALS mistakes and submit him.
A ultimate fighter going against a SEAL, blow for blow, its 50/50.
Like the whole thing with that guy from youtube, his name escapes me, but I said from day one he would ruin UFC. And after his terrible short lived career it showed that not everyone should be classified as a UF. Especially that guy, UF is a title that you must earn not just get b/c you have a mean face and like to punch a lot.
I'm on the fence with this one. A SEAL's conditioning would let him win 80% of the fights, since most UF are well conditioned, not all are SEAL conditioned. Then from there it just comes down to skills. And a TRUE ultimate fighter would pick up the SEALS mistakes and submit him.
A ultimate fighter going against a SEAL, blow for blow, its 50/50.
In a perfect mount, sure. You never got punched in the nuts or received a knee to the butt hole? What are you talking about "catch on" to dirty strikes? Once you've "caught on" to someone crushing your throat, shoving a thumb through your eye, or popping your testicles, it's usually a little too late.
It's a pointless argument... too many variables. Are you talking average MMA fighter or top level UFC competitor? If you are talking George St Pierre vs. a SEAL who just completed a basic CQB course that's one thing. If you are talking about the highest trained SEALs against some guy from strike force, IFC, etc... with a 3-3 record then that's another. What's an average MMA fighter? What's an average SEAL?
You are just throwing numbers around, how do you really know? Shit Im not even spec ops and Ive probably had 200 hours.
And 10k hours would be 8 hours a day 7 days a week for 3.5 years.
As others have pointed out, Navy SEALS do not have an extensive knowledge of hand to hand combat. They have enough to get by in most occasions, but by no means are they trained as thoroughly as a MMA.
destrekor
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As I've said, there are a lot of little issues that make it hard to say one SEAL will always beat one UF, or the other way around.
How well trained is a specific SEAL? The devotion to a certain style varies greatly among all soldiers, no matter the type of soldier. They are all trained equally, but others will focus on their off time on that stuff to be more proficient in a situation. There is also training, I believe, that is on a sign-up basis, almost like private training, where you learn more specific styles of various martial arts. This is important for Spec Ops groups because there ARE regions where the enemy will be well trained in MA. Hell, look at Israel - all those in the IDF must learn Krav Maga.
The big decisive component will be: can the SEAL get in close to the opponent? If he can successfully counter the MA strikes and get in close to get his hands on the guy, it's likely going to be game over.
If he can't get his hands on him, it's a different story.
How well trained is a specific SEAL? The devotion to a certain style varies greatly among all soldiers, no matter the type of soldier. They are all trained equally, but others will focus on their off time on that stuff to be more proficient in a situation. There is also training, I believe, that is on a sign-up basis, almost like private training, where you learn more specific styles of various martial arts. This is important for Spec Ops groups because there ARE regions where the enemy will be well trained in MA. Hell, look at Israel - all those in the IDF must learn Krav Maga.
The big decisive component will be: can the SEAL get in close to the opponent? If he can successfully counter the MA strikes and get in close to get his hands on the guy, it's likely going to be game over.
If he can't get his hands on him, it's a different story.
I guess it all depends on your definition of "extensive". Who in here has gone through SEAL unarmed combat training? Anyone?
Krav Maga > all
Spec-ops teams are trained to dispose of the enemy and are trained to fight in a way that can be applied against any MMA technique as most of the opposition special forces are trained in Martial Arts. Look up the SCARS institute in Arizona run by ex-TET offensive SEAL Jerry Peterson who trains elite government agencies(specops teams,CIA paramilitary operatives etc) and you will understand how effective these fighting techniques against ANY MMA.
alkemyst
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except not many SEALS go through that.
A SEAL/Green Beret/etc has a few more weeks of training in the beginning compared to a basic recruit. Basic recruits are most of which they will be fighting in real day to day things.
Competitive fighters usually start training everyday from as old as they can and each and every day perfect it against others doing the same. They often practice without the rules they'd later be forced into.
A FEW SEALS/Spec Ops are at the elite level whereas many professional fighters are there already.
Now a pro fighter probably hasn't been trained in demotions, espionage, firearms, etc...
Most people really over estimate what it takes to be a SEAL.
Overestimate what it takes? Are you referring to hand to hand combat, or the course in general? That may be the craziest thing I have ever seen posted in my life. If anything, it's just the opposite.
alkemyst
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either you watch too many movies or are too out of shape to realize the requirements in real life. Based on your avatar I bet you are the guy that I saw get knocked the fuck out claiming to be part of an army unit while the same guys were actually in the bar.
Anyone who disputes the fact that a highly trained veteran Navy SEAL (such as a DEVGRU SEAL-counterterrorism team 6) wouldnt annihilate a top MMA fighter should go back and read some of my posts...I would love to see some MMA fighter step into the atmosphere at a Navy SEAL unit....we would be talking about a boy among men who is completely out of his league!
A lot of MMA fighters start wrestling/boxing from about age 12. Considering average UFC fighter is 25-35 yrs old I'd say it's possible.
So you been to BUDS training recently? Go ahead and tell me the real life requirements. You better be something special making those kinds of claims. My avatar means I support the troops.
Are you serious????!!!! you have no clue bro! a SEAL or Green Beret having a FEW more weeks training than a basic recruit???!! errrrt! this isnt even worth my time to comment on! you better do your research kook!
alkemyst
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Originally posted by: JDawg1536
So you been to BUDS training recently? Go ahead and tell me the real life requirements. You better be something special making those kinds of claims. My avatar means I support the troops.
why don't you share those requirements with all of us?
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