Two year old killed by a pack of pit bulls

[DesiPower]

I have mixed feeling on the issue. As others have mentioned I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with the breed. I have met some very docile and friendly
Pits. Problem is they are just so strong and the potential for bodily harm from a Pit is higher than other breeds. First time I saw a Pit Bull up close I was amazed at how muscular they are and the size of their massive jaws.

Maybe ownership could be limited to those persons with a permit. To get a permit you must prove that you would be a competent owner. Something like a gun background check.

I don't think control is the answer, consequence should be the answer. You own that pet out of you free will, you should be fully responsible for everything that thing does. You sorry ass should be dragged to court for involuntary manslaughter.

 

[classy]

You would actually be surprised to learn that Pit Bulls do not have the hardest bite of all the dog species. German Shepards have a bite just as strong or stronger and both are blown away by the amount of force a Rott bite can have.

Rotties and Pit Bulls are great family dogs, they just have to be raised and treated properly. I would not trade a loyal well trained Rott or Pit for anything. BTW fuck PETA and their want of extinction to these large work breeds.

I am not surprised at all. But the German Shepards with a comparable bite would be a large boned one. They are the bigger and stronger Germans. I used to own a part timber wolf and husky. She was a great dog. I used to crack up when she would shed. The yard would be covered, lol. Beautiful animal and could get seriously nasty when challenged. I spent a many of nights telling her to shut up howling. One night I slept outside so she would be quiet. Any kind of watch dog needs proper training and exposure. A well socialized dog will not be an issue.

 

[bfdd]

I don't think control is the answer, consequence should be the answer. You own that pet out of you free will, you should be fully responsible for everything that thing does. You sorry ass should be dragged to court for involuntary manslaughter.

agreed, the owner is responsible for the dog. just like in pretty much everything people are the problem.

 

[Tristicus]

Should pit bulls be banned as pets? Give me a mother fucking break. It's the owners that should be banned from life.

 

[bfdd]

I am not surprised at all. But the German Shepards with a comparable bite would be a large boned one. They are the bigger and stronger Germans. I used to own a part timber wolf and husky. She was a great dog. I used to crack up when she would shed. The yard would be covered, lol. Beautiful animal and could get seriously nasty when challenged. I spent a many of nights telling her to shut up howling. One night I slept outside so she would be quiet. Any kind of watch dog needs proper training and exposure. A well socialized dog will not be an issue.

No not really, German Shepards were bred specifically for this and they will almost always have a harder bite than a pit. The pit gets its advantage from his muscular neck and body along with a low center of gravity combined with a strong bite.

“Pit Bulls have more bite pressure per square inch (PSI) than any
other breed.” This is absolutely false.

Tests that have been done comparing the bite pressure of several
breeds showed pressure PSI (per square inch) to be considerably lower
than some wild estimates that have been made. Testing has shown that
the domestic dog averages about 320 lbs of pressure per square inch.
Recently Dr. Brady Barr of National Geographic conducted a comparative
test between a Pit Bull, a Rottweiler, and a German Shepherd. The Pit
Bull had the LOWEST PSI OF THE THREE.

The highest pressure recorded from the Pit Bull was 235 lbs PSI. The
highest from the GSD was 238, and the highest from the Rott was 328.
Dr. Barr states that as far as he knows, the PSI tested in the Rott is the
highest on record for any domestic canine.

What happened to the supposed 10,000 pounds PSI pressure that the
breed supposedly has??? It's a MYTH, pure and simple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADDxe24ud90 (link to a video of it)

THERE HAVE NEVER been ANY TESTS done to prove that the APBT has
bite pressure PSI higher than what has been tested by Dr. Barr.

 

[DesiPower]

should pit bulls be banned as pets? Give me a mother fucking break. It's the owners that should be banned from life.

qft

 

[Mursilis]

Should pit bulls be banned as pets? Give me a mother fucking break. It's the owners that should be banned from life.

This.

 

[woolfe9999]

No not really, German Shepards were bred specifically for this and they will almost always have a harder bite than a pit. The pit gets its advantage from his muscular neck and body along with a low center of gravity combined with a strong bite.

If bite strength is not the issue, then why are pit bulls responsible for such a disproportionately high percentage of serious and fatal bites? Is it a behavioral characteristic of the breed?

- wolf

 

[bfdd]

If bite strength is not the issue, then why are pit bulls responsible for such a disproportionately high percentage of serious and fatal bites? Is it a behavioral characteristic of the breed?

- wolf

Because they were bred to kill larger animals than themselves that is why they have serious and fatal bites. Read up on bull and bear bating, read up on the history of the breed as a protective measure for frontier families against animal attacks. This is what they were bred for, not attacking humans. When human attacks do occur they will be serious though.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

if you look up overall statistics though you are much safer having a pit bull than a cockerspanial.

waah? I'm calling BS on that unless you post some kind of proof.

 

[Mursilis]

If bite strength is not the issue, then why are pit bulls responsible for such a disproportionately high percentage of serious and fatal bites? Is it a behavioral characteristic of the breed?

- wolf

I'd say it's just that more wankers are attracted to the breed. When was the last time you saw someone trying to "keep it real" with a Lhasa Apso?

 

[StageLeft]

Should their owners be criminally prosecuted when their dogs kill?

Obviously.

They are just like any other dog. No more violent or aggressive

No... There's no way you actually think that all dogs are equal in terms of aggressiveness. Nobody who's ever owned a dog would agree, certainly nobody who's ever owned and trained a guard dog would agree, either.

I'm sure most of these dogs would be fine if their owners weren't fvckbrains, but some breeds are obviously more prone to aggression than others. Case in point this bad mother:

 

[bfdd]

waah? I'm calling BS on that unless you post some kind of proof.

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/dog-bites/dog-bite-studies/

http://www.dogstuff.info/cocker_rage_syndrome.html

 

[bfdd]

BTW I would like to point out like I said, just because most of the serious or fatal injuries come from Rotts and Pit bull like breeds does not make them the top offenders to actually injure someone. Of course a bigger dog breed is going to do more damage than a little breed, just like a .50 call to the chest is going to do more damage than a .22lr to the chest.

 

[woolfe9999]

BTW I would like to point out like I said, just because most of the serious or fatal injuries come from Rotts and Pit bull like breeds does not make them the top offenders to actually injure someone. Of course a bigger dog breed is going to do more damage than a little breed, just like a .50 call to the chest is going to do more damage than a .22lr to the chest.

Not all big dogs are the same though. I own a border collie (awesome dog), and have owned a black lab. Neither dog ever bit anyone, ever. And neither breed is known for biting. Both were big dogs.

Anyway, since the issue is public danger, the aggressive small dogs aren't really relevant. Their bites are mainly just an annoyance. It's the aggressive big dogs that are the issue.

- wolf

 

[William Gaatjes]

They are just like any other dog. No more violent or aggressive, but their bite is many times more powerful than almost all other dogs. I have had several friends who have owned them for many years and never had a problem. My one friend said his dog did go through the front window after a guy. He said his dog just didn't like him and he had to lock Melazar away everytime the dude would come over. He said he would just go bezerk. I used to play with him all the time. Was never ever aggressive and loved to play with kids.

Partially true, i know some one who has a bull terrier.
There is a big difference between dog breeds when it comes to behaviour though...

She(the dog) is surprisingly friendly and loves to hug. This breed is very intelligent and very empathic. I noticed something strange though. Once some people dropped by who had been using cocaine and they had this aggressive look and appearance. These people where calm and did not behave violently. But the dog would not even allow those people to come close and would take a position to instantly attack without warning.
Now it can very well be that toddlers (who can be very aggressive) invoke such behaviour. As such, keeping toddlers close near dogs is just stupid behaviour of humans. Don't keep your kids close to dogs who have a protective and nervous streak and who are considered to be generally more intelligent and emphatic then other dogs.


After this i decided to do a bit dangerous test.
I tested her a view times by invoking some anger at here just by looking and feeling hateful towards her. A few seconds later i noticed here expression changed and that she kept track at me where ever i go. She was not moving, she just followed me around with her eyes. After that i changed my feelings to a loving nature and i noticed that again a few seconds later she changed her facial expression and the pinching of her eyes changed as well. She looked at me as she just want to cuddle me. That dog made me realize a theory that dogs pick up pheromones. It fit's the general consensus that a dog can feel your fear and will take advantage of it to become the alpha leader. In reality they smell you and afcourse can visually interpret behaviour as well. But the nose is what it is all about.

Here is an article over toddlers and the aggressive stage :
http://www.theparentreport.com/resources/ages/toddler/development/650.html

At around a year or 18 months of age, many parents notice a change in children’s behavior, as they turn from a lovable cuddly infant to an aggressive little tyke.
Biting, hitting, kicking. Is toddler aggression normal? Many toddler’s go through a phase where hitting, biting, even kicking are commonplace behaviors. But rest assured. Although this aggressive stage isn’t pleasant it is quite normal, according to child psychiatrist, Dr. Sarah Landy. “Toddlers do need to go through an aggressive stage because that’s a part of becoming their own person,” explains Dr. Landy. “Part of that aggression is to enable them to become their own person and part of it is to help them to feel strong, which is a part of growing up.”

Fortunately, not only does this stage not last long, but also there are things we can teach our children about working out their anger and aggression. “From about three to five we would expect to see a dropping off of aggressive behavior,” says Dr. Landy. “We can help them with this by teaching them to talk about their anger rather than hitting, or (children can) play out their anger through toys. Encouraging those ways of dealing with anger is very important in preschool children.”

Dr.Landy adds that while many parents have trouble seeing their children display angry feelings, it’s actually unrealistic to expect young children to always be calm, cool and collect. In fact sometimes their anger is justified and as parents our goal shouldn’t be to squelch the emotion, but to teach children to express their anger in a healthy, non-violent manner. Dr. Landy says “to expect a child to be good, not to express anger, can be detrimental over the long term for the child and result in anxiety and fears and can result in explosive anger. They may contain their anger for a period of time and then in a period of time, they may explode.”

So the next time your child appears angry, try to “reflect the angry emotion,” suggests Dr. Landy. “Say something like, "my goodness but you look angry. Have you had a bad day?" It acknowledges that anger is okay and that it's okay to be upset if you've had a bad day." It also helps them to give a name to the emotion and how to use words, rather than hitting, to express it.

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When you have the wrong body chemistry, you might have a problem.

 

[Murloc]

The holder is partially responsible for the dog's actions.

For dangerous species there should be a special training to keep aggressivity low, and in general for every dog the owner should get a license that you get after some basic training about dog education and the importance of it.

 

[JSt0rm]

Case in point this bad mother:

Let the record show that dog has brass balls.

 

[classy]

Partially true, i know some one who has a bull terrier.
There is a big difference between dog breeds when it comes to behaviour though...

Those are some hard headed dogs right there, Bull Terrier.

 

[Mursilis]

Not all big dogs are the same though. I own a border collie (awesome dog), and have owned a black lab. Neither dog ever bit anyone, ever. And neither breed is known for biting. Both were big dogs.

Oddly enough, I've got a relative with a female black lab, and it's one of the most aggressive labs I've ever seen, despite the fact labs are generally not known to be aggressive (as you said). But it's pretty clear why - she keeps it caged up most of the time, and rarely walks it, and it's probably just developing frustration because it's not being able to get a little exercise! My dogs get at least 3 miles per day, and sometimes up to 10. I think that plays a huge part in keeping them happy, calm, and non-aggressive.

 

[boomerang]

Anyone know how to edit your thread title? I used to know how to do it, but I forgot.

- wolf

Click Edit and then Advanced (From memory, it's close enough)

 

[William Gaatjes]

Let the record show that dog has brass balls.

I would prefer a bull terrier over this scary one. A bull terrier is a lot easier to clean too.

 

[MJinZ]

Pit bulls are fugly. If you have one, you deserve to be bitten for owning a fugly pet.

 

[bfdd]

Not all big dogs are the same though. I own a border collie (awesome dog), and have owned a black lab. Neither dog ever bit anyone, ever. And neither breed is known for biting. Both were big dogs.

Anyway, since the issue is public danger, the aggressive small dogs aren't really relevant. Their bites are mainly just an annoyance. It's the aggressive big dogs that are the issue.

- wolf

The really aggressive big dog breeds aren't Pitts and Rotts though. Chow Chows are more aggressive as are Dalmatians, Pinchers, Huskies, etc. Like I said the reason these two breeds have high serious/fatal injuries upon attack is because the breed was meant to take down bigger things than itself. Most of what you think might be bad dogs aren't, they just have bad owners.

What is really sad is that people choose to treat dogs poorly. The phrase "mans best friend" just barely does justice to the relationship man and dog have developed over millenia.

 

[JSt0rm]

What is really sad is that people choose to treat dogs poorly. The phrase "mans best friend" just barely does justice to the relationship man and dog have developed over millenia.

well... if the sign of success of a animal is how many there are and level of comfort I would say all dog breeds and the housecat are the most successful animals that there are. Sure some live bad lives but looking at my cat - the thing sleeps 20 hours a day and is never hungry, cold or wet. I would say that is a massive Darwin success story right there.